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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 20, 2018 6:06:34 GMT -5
It's getting torn apart in reviews.
I'm torn between wanting it to fail to send a warning sign to other developers planning a crap, lazy cash grab. And succeeding to guarantee the Fallout franchise vwont be killed off.
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Post by clifford on Nov 20, 2018 6:07:45 GMT -5
My biggest problem with this game is that it takes place only a few decades after the bombs fell and everything seems the same as Fallout 4 which was set like another 170 years later. I hate that shit.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 20, 2018 6:11:41 GMT -5
on top of not really being interested in a survival MMO (not what I play Fallout for) it just looks incredibly lazy to me. it's basically a glorified Fallout 4 asset flip and without any NPCs or real quests to speak of it's hard to feel even remotely immersed in the experience. Jim Sterling put it best, really; when yu take away the storytelling, memorable characters and world-building, all this game has to stand on is a buggy engine and kinda average gameplay. absolutely deserves the tarring and feathering it's getting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 6:52:41 GMT -5
So other day I learned about Camden Park - which I've actually been to many times - apparently being in this game, which brings the total amount of interesting things about this game to me to 1.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 20, 2018 6:57:13 GMT -5
on top of not really being interested in a survival MMO (not what I play Fallout for) it just looks incredibly lazy to me. it's basically a glorified Fallout 4 asset flip and without any NPCs or real quests to speak of it's hard to feel even remotely immersed in the experience. Jim Sterling put it best, really; when yu take away the storytelling, memorable characters and world-building, all this game has to stand on is a buggy engine and kinda average gameplay. absolutely deserves the tarring and feathering it's getting. Getting vrid of NPCs was a truly terrible decision considering they're a highlight of the past games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 6:58:05 GMT -5
You can't take a game series that's never had good gameplay - relative to other competitors - but had great quest and character design and then make an entirely gameplay based experience.
I also like that Bethesda is FINALLY being taken to task for the awful bugs in a serious way. No more "tee hee well that's just Bethesda."
And I say that as someone who loves their games. I'm doing what must be my tenth playthrough of Fallout 4 right now.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 20, 2018 9:02:39 GMT -5
You can't take a game series that's never had good gameplay - relative to other competitors - but had great quest and character design and then make an entirely gameplay based experience. I also like that Bethesda is FINALLY being taken to task for the awful bugs in a serious way. No more "tee hee well that's just Bethesda." And I say that as someone who loves their games. I'm doing what must be my tenth playthrough of Fallout 4 right now. i like t 76 perk card system. I feel if the game had better combat there could have been some neat cards
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 20, 2018 9:35:01 GMT -5
Is the endgame boss really just {Spoiler}{Spoiler} A reskinned Skyrim dragon? Get a new game engine, jackasses!
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 20, 2018 12:18:32 GMT -5
Fallout 76; so named by the likely number of actual people playing it circa 2019..
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 20, 2018 12:26:06 GMT -5
You can't take a game series that's never had good gameplay - relative to other competitors - but had great quest and character design and then make an entirely gameplay based experience. I also like that Bethesda is FINALLY being taken to task for the awful bugs in a serious way. No more "tee hee well that's just Bethesda." And I say that as someone who loves their games. I'm doing what must be my tenth playthrough of Fallout 4 right now. Plus, Bethesda really does need to update their open world gameplay formula now. We are now in a gaming world that has seen open world games the likes of The Witcher III, Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Red Dead Redemption II. Games with meticulous detail, vast worlds, and various forms of emergent gameplay. Bethesda's some stale ass stuff comparatively. Still fun, yes(I'm down to buying Skyrim on literally any system they port it to), but it just isn't keeping pace. There used to be a time where a new Bethesda release was basically a, "Well, time to pack it in guys, this is the Game of the Year" release. Games like Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim absolutely dominated their respective release years and nothing was going to stand in their way from claiming all the glory, which really says things, because Skyrim's initial release year was one of those years packed to the gills with great titles. Then we get something like Fallout 4 which was still a fine game, very fun game, even, and it....wasn't this dominating release. It was certainly a major release the year it came out, but it was one of those also ran titles of the year. It was a good game that came out that year. Just not the game that came out that year like its older brothers were in their years. And now we have...this... We don't have any clue when Elder Scrolls VI comes out, and even less of a clue for when Fallout 5 will come out(it might not even come out, potentially, but as a studio with as few properties as Bethesda has, they may just mothball the franchise for some years instead of ceasing new titles wholesale due to 76's reception), but if they don't drastically changes things up by the time TES6 does come out, the damn game will likely feel ancient, potentially downright archaic, if it doesn't come out until the middle of the next gen, and we've had several more years of these more dynamic open world titles.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 20, 2018 12:54:50 GMT -5
Plus, Bethesda really does need to update their open world gameplay formula now. We are now in a gaming world that has seen open world games the likes of The Witcher III, Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Red Dead Redemption II. Games with meticulous detail, vast worlds, and various forms of emergent gameplay. They need to completely rebuild the game engine from scratch, IMO. It's really starting to show its age, and simply bolting on new modules isn't cutting it any more.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 20, 2018 13:06:05 GMT -5
Doesn't Bethesda still use the same engine they did since at least Oblivion?
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 20, 2018 13:21:59 GMT -5
Doesn't Bethesda still use the same engine they did since at least Oblivion? Yeah, and even that engine is just a patched over version of the Morrowind one I think. EDIT: Gamebryo was used for Morrowind and Oblivion, and Creation was used for Skyrim (2011) forward. Creation is based on Gamebryo. Gamebryo was first released in 1997 as NetImmerse. I mean game engines in general are used for a long time with upgrades, but Bethesda REALLY need to fix it up to modern standards or make an entirely new one.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 20, 2018 13:31:13 GMT -5
You can't take a game series that's never had good gameplay - relative to other competitors - but had great quest and character design and then make an entirely gameplay based experience. I also like that Bethesda is FINALLY being taken to task for the awful bugs in a serious way. No more "tee hee well that's just Bethesda." And I say that as someone who loves their games. I'm doing what must be my tenth playthrough of Fallout 4 right now. Plus, Bethesda really does need to update their open world gameplay formula now. We are now in a gaming world that has seen open world games the likes of The Witcher III, Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Red Dead Redemption II. Games with meticulous detail, vast worlds, and various forms of emergent gameplay. Bethesda's some stale ass stuff comparatively. Still fun, yes(I'm down to buying Skyrim on literally any system they port it to), but it just isn't keeping pace. There used to be a time where a new Bethesda release was basically a, "Well, time to pack it in guys, this is the Game of the Year" release. Games like Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim absolutely dominated their respective release years and nothing was going to stand in their way from claiming all the glory, which really says things, because Skyrim's initial release year was one of those years packed to the gills with great titles. Then we get something like Fallout 4 which was still a fine game, very fun game, even, and it....wasn't this dominating release. It was certainly a major release the year it came out, but it was one of those also ran titles of the year. It was a good game that came out that year. Just not the game that came out that year like its older brothers were in their years. And now we have...this... We don't have any clue when Elder Scrolls VI comes out, and even less of a clue for when Fallout 5 will come out(it might not even come out, potentially, but as a studio with as few properties as Bethesda has, they may just mothball the franchise for some years instead of ceasing new titles wholesale due to 76's reception), but if they don't drastically changes things up by the time TES6 does come out, the damn game will likely feel ancient, potentially downright archaic, if it doesn't come out until the middle of the next gen, and we've had several more years of these more dynamic open world titles. It is confirmed that both the new Elder Scrolls and Starfield with be using the Creation engine. This doesn't mean they can't improve the engine, but if they fail to do so it will really feel absurdly outdated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 13:54:06 GMT -5
I feel like you can really see Bethesda's lack of care in how much they just recycle things like this. They make plenty of money and so budgets and manpower should be no problem for them, and they don't put out games all that often, and yet you'll never see them put anywhere near as much love into their worlds as someone like Rockstar, or really even as much as some of their older games.
Really these are not even my kinds of games to begin with, but even as an outsider looking in it's pretty easy to tell where something like Witcher has vastly more effort put into it than something like Fallout 4.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 20, 2018 13:58:54 GMT -5
It's funny how Bethesda tried to dick over Obsidian so much between the short development time and idiotic Metacritic bonus thing and they still made a far better Fallout game that felt authentic to the original games than any of Bethesda's three attempts.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 20, 2018 15:45:11 GMT -5
It's funny how Bethesda tried to dick over Obsidian so much between the short development time and idiotic Metacritic bonus thing and they still made a far better Fallout game that felt authentic to the original games than any of Bethesda's three attempts. It’s not like Obsidian never had any experience with the Fallout series....oh....wait.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 20, 2018 15:49:29 GMT -5
Game is fairly fun but it's hard not to feel like you are playing a game made with left over scraps that's created by interns and bottom tier devs.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 20, 2018 22:52:48 GMT -5
So far, I'm enjoying the game as a Fallout game, but it's going to need a robust community to keep it exciting, and that's going to be a tough sell. Right now, I see a lot of parallels between it and No Man's Sky. Heavy focus on resource gathering, sparse interactions, with narrative being driven more by discovery than actual NPC talking, heavy criticism upon release. As Bethesda tweaks, this game could have legs, but it's going to have to take work, work that I'm not all that convinced they may be ready to put in, with Starfield and EDS6 upcoming. There's still some glitches (I haven't been able to figure out how to use the Photo suite yet, because Take Picture is mapped to Triangle, the same button as Reset. That might be on me, though, because I remapped the controller for my own Needs)
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Post by Hurbster on Nov 22, 2018 17:07:45 GMT -5
Some of the bigger sites have weighed in with their reviews and it looks like people have run out of patience with Bethseda releasing half-assed buggy software.
Eurogamer - Avoid IGN - 4/10 Gamespot 4/10
It's got a lot of 5 and 6 out of 10 scores as well. Not good. Hopefully the kick up the arse Bethseda truly need.
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