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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 31, 2018 17:01:07 GMT -5
I only questioned you early on because you basically threw yourself out there, taking the spotlight if you will. Now that more people are interacting, and I'm seeing back and forth (Other Kevin & the Daime/Gus situation taking my attention) I'm losing my scum vibe on you. Are you accusing me of being an attention whore? Harrumph, I say! And harrumph a second time! Anyway, that's a fair point. Tell me -- if the spat between Daime and Gus has caught your attention, why haven't you addressed either of them directly? Do you feel that observing their conversation is sufficient to form an opinion of the situation? I had many of the same questions Daime was posing, didn't want to make it seem like I was ganging up on Gus. What I am saying is that ever since the vote and response, he has been quiet. Almost a lurking in the shadows type of character. Only responding when someone directly calls him out. To me, that's a tell. So no, while the response isn't a tell to me, his lack of response since is, if that makes sense. While I agree that it's scummy to be reactive and only appear when people mention you by name (we called that the "Beetlejuice tell" on another site I played on), don't you think the sample size is a bit too small here to apply this line of thinking? He's only made two posts so far. On that note, I do agree that Brainbustah needs to post more.
[/quote] Sample of Day 1 is all we have right now; I was listing something that stuck out to me in our limited play time. Because in my experience, that's what happens. You usually have one that is out there befriending the town, and at least one staying away and NOT fanning the flames because that usually comes around later on as the game goes on. Okay. Why not say this in the first place, though? You can see why I thought this was an odd observation to make unbidden, can't you?
[/quote] My mind made that conclusion, I must have skipped the reasoning in my post. But that was the connection I made.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 31, 2018 17:01:24 GMT -5
EBWOP formatting and what not.
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Post by Skull0mancer on Oct 31, 2018 19:03:06 GMT -5
I gave you my answer explaining my first post and everything after, and yet you're still going on about me being uncooperative. You're right, we're not playing the same game. What do you mean by "still"? I've called you uncooperative once. Once. One time. I can't very well "still" be doing something that has happened one time. Yes, you finally explained that your contradictory read of me was attributed to ring rust, but I had to twist your arm about it and ask you several times before finally receiving that answer. Is that what you call cooperative?
Unfortunately, I doubt there's anything I could say right now that is going to change your mind because you're clearly that set on going after me and me alone. And what about this? Is this not what you would call uncooperative?
Here's a short list of things that are decidedly not cooperative: 1.) Approaching a conversation with me with a defeatist attitude. 2.) Answering my questions only after being asked several times to do so. 3.) Claiming without evidence that I'm too stubborn to change my mind on a Scum read. 4.) Spouting worst-case-scenario predictions for how hopeless our situation is when we haven't even gotten through Day 1 yet. 5.) Not listening to a player you said you'd listen to, thereby ensuring that said player is wasting their time in trying to interact with you. Yes, you are being uncooperative -- and, now, you're being dismissive as well. Your posts are needlessly defensive. You are twisting my intentions to make it seem as though my Scum-hunting is biased against you despite the fact that there is no evidence supporting this claim. Why would Town need to do that? The reason I've been so insistent on getting you to explain your Town read of me is because it didn't feel like that read developed naturally. You called me Scum for "aggression," then called me Town for "aggression," and when I asked you repeatedly to explain your thought process, you brushed me off before finally settling on, "Oh, it's just ring rust since I haven't played in a while." That doesn't change the fact that this logical progression still makes no sense. I felt that perhaps you had fabricated a Town read of me because calling me Town was the path of least resistance, and I feel now that that is indeed the case. When pressed to explain why I was Town, you couldn't do it. And now, somehow, that's my fault. Furthermore, you've been engaging in pointless fear-mongering over the past few days, as I've quoted previously. This is a classic Scum tactic to try to paralyze the Town into inactivity. I was very, very close to backing off my Scum-read of you and calling you Town. I really mean that. You were right on the cusp, my dude. But now? Your latest bout of defensiveness is the cherry on top of a sundae comprised of several scoops of highly scummy behavior. I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt any longer. Unvote Vote: Gus Richlen + Mileena I do recognize that you're frustrated with the game, and I sympathize with you for that. I really do. I've been there. Unfortunately, Scum gets frustrated just as often as Town does, so I am not willing to give you a pass based on that. I believe it's more likely that you're Scum who just can't handle pressure.
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Post by Skull0mancer on Oct 31, 2018 19:03:33 GMT -5
I think straight up voting as your very first post of the game, at someone who hadn't even started was very gung ho. You painted a target on yourself instantly by doing that (whether you wanted to or not). It sounds like you think that attention is a bad thing. Is that correct? Why do you feel it's a bad thing for players to notice me? I have made it clear that I want players to notice me and interact with me so I can form reads of them. I've got nothing to hide. I can't see why a Town member would do this as all the attention goes on you. Again, why is it a bad thing for people to pay attention to a Town player?
My conclusion of this move is either you are scum and are just trying to sow seeds of doubt straight away or you are some sort of third party who wants to be lynched early by the town. And you reached this conclusion based on...what, exactly? Where have I demonstrated that I'm trying to "sow seeds of doubt"? Quote the post(s) where you feel that I did this.
Be it from Town looking for a lynch or for scum looking at which potential townies to kill off, heck they might keep you on for the confusion/dithering it can cause. Let me get this straight. First you conclude that I'm either Town or third-party, then you speculate that Scum might want to keep me around because my presence is confusing (somehow), which would necessitate me being Town. Which is it? Am I Scum or am I Town? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Who do you think is Town? Daime, lodirulz, Brainbustah, Bear Meat (my recent conversation with him has made me feel a lot better about him), and Black Tyger Squadron. I had many of the same questions Daime was posing, didn't want to make it seem like I was ganging up on Gus. Well, I mean, we're going to have to gang up on someone eventually. (Deadline is in three days, by the way.)
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Oct 31, 2018 21:45:34 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't respond sooner I just had a busy day. First off I think @dante is town because as soon as someone voted early on he was quick to call them out my opinion not a scum move. I also feel Gus Richlen Was Wrong is town as well I am very familiar with his play style. He is an aggressive player I remember my first mafia game with him it was WWE Mafia and him and Pegasus Warrior went at each other hardcore and both turned out to be town. I think Gus's strategy is ruthless aggression go after someone hard and hope they flip scum. So far that is the only two I got a read on as town.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 31, 2018 21:50:26 GMT -5
I gave you my answer explaining my first post and everything after, and yet you're still going on about me being uncooperative. You're right, we're not playing the same game. What do you mean by "still"? I've called you uncooperative once. Once. One time. I can't very well "still" be doing something that has happened one time. Yes, you finally explained that your contradictory read of me was attributed to ring rust, but I had to twist your arm about it and ask you several times before finally receiving that answer. Is that what you call cooperative?
Unfortunately, I doubt there's anything I could say right now that is going to change your mind because you're clearly that set on going after me and me alone. And what about this? Is this not what you would call uncooperative?
Here's a short list of things that are decidedly not cooperative: 1.) Approaching a conversation with me with a defeatist attitude. 2.) Answering my questions only after being asked several times to do so. 3.) Claiming without evidence that I'm too stubborn to change my mind on a Scum read. 4.) Spouting worst-case-scenario predictions for how hopeless our situation is when we haven't even gotten through Day 1 yet. 5.) Not listening to a player you said you'd listen to, thereby ensuring that said player is wasting their time in trying to interact with you. Yes, you are being uncooperative -- and, now, you're being dismissive as well. Your posts are needlessly defensive. You are twisting my intentions to make it seem as though my Scum-hunting is biased against you despite the fact that there is no evidence supporting this claim. Why would Town need to do that? The reason I've been so insistent on getting you to explain your Town read of me is because it didn't feel like that read developed naturally. You called me Scum for "aggression," then called me Town for "aggression," and when I asked you repeatedly to explain your thought process, you brushed me off before finally settling on, "Oh, it's just ring rust since I haven't played in a while." That doesn't change the fact that this logical progression still makes no sense. I felt that perhaps you had fabricated a Town read of me because calling me Town was the path of least resistance, and I feel now that that is indeed the case. When pressed to explain why I was Town, you couldn't do it. And now, somehow, that's my fault. Furthermore, you've been engaging in pointless fear-mongering over the past few days, as I've quoted previously. This is a classic Scum tactic to try to paralyze the Town into inactivity. I was very, very close to backing off my Scum-read of you and calling you Town. I really mean that. You were right on the cusp, my dude. But now? Your latest bout of defensiveness is the cherry on top of a sundae comprised of several scoops of highly scummy behavior. I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt any longer. Unvote Vote: Gus Richlen + Mileena I do recognize that you're frustrated with the game, and I sympathize with you for that. I really do. I've been there. Unfortunately, Scum gets frustrated just as often as Town does, so I am not willing to give you a pass based on that. I believe it's more likely that you're Scum who just can't handle pressure.
I explained to you why I thought you were Town and you outright refused to listen. And now you're doing the exact same thing I warned against doing. It would be sad if you weren't so stubborn about this. But guess what? Your vote proved me right. You weren't going to be satisfied until you had an excuse to vote for me no matter what I said and you were just going to ignore every point I made because it wouldn't fit within your already twisted opinion. And if I manage to survive the night phase, I wouldn't be surprised if you decide to keep hounding me for no reason other than an obsession with being right. I said you were Town because I genuinely thought you were. Period. Since you're going to refuse to accept that no matter what, I will not be wasting any further time in this line of discussion. It only gives scum reason to believe they're going to have a cakewalk.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Nov 1, 2018 10:01:53 GMT -5
I think straight up voting as your very first post of the game, at someone who hadn't even started was very gung ho. You painted a target on yourself instantly by doing that (whether you wanted to or not). It sounds like you think that attention is a bad thing. Is that correct? Why do you feel it's a bad thing for players to notice me? I have made it clear that I want players to notice me and interact with me so I can form reads of them. I've got nothing to hide. I can't see why a Town member would do this as all the attention goes on you. Again, why is it a bad thing for people to pay attention to a Town player?
Voicing your opinion is fine, shouting from the rooftops look at me I am town in a game where you are trying to deduce who everyone is seems foolhardy.My conclusion of this move is either you are scum and are just trying to sow seeds of doubt straight away or you are some sort of third party who wants to be lynched early by the town. And you reached this conclusion based on...what, exactly? Where have I demonstrated that I'm trying to "sow seeds of doubt"? Quote the post(s) where you feel that I did this.
It's more a general hunch/feeling based on how you are wording responses to all the other players than a direct quote.Be it from Town looking for a lynch or for scum looking at which potential townies to kill off, heck they might keep you on for the confusion/dithering it can cause. Let me get this straight. First you conclude that I'm either Town or third-party, then you speculate that Scum might want to keep me around because my presence is confusing (somehow), which would necessitate me being Town. Which is it? Am I Scum or am I Town? You can't have your cake and eat it too. I was trying to covey my reasoning on why being loud/attention grabbing is not the best plan, personally I think you lean more to scum or third Party at the moment because you were so bold right from the start. ---- Also why do you think lodirulz is town? To me he hasn't many posts so far, none which give me a read on him at all. ---- My own Town read at the moment is: Brad, BT Squadron and maybe Daime. I am leaning scum/tp towards OtherKevin & Skull and one of the quiet lurkers ( jagilki , Brainbustaaah! , lodirulz .) So going off that: Vote:TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out Because apart from defending himself 'four times' from my very minor suspicion has not added anything. FOS:skull0mancerBecause of the reasons above.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 10:32:25 GMT -5
Vote: TOK Hehe'd Around & Found OutHis infrequent contributions serve to pull down Town's fretting head like a millstone around its neck. Sinister are their effects and sinister is likely their intentions.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Nov 1, 2018 12:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by jagilki on Nov 1, 2018 13:26:51 GMT -5
Sorry, been ultra silent this last week. Been busy with off line stuff. Give me an hour or two in order to settle a few things, then collect thoughts.
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Post by jagilki on Nov 1, 2018 13:48:17 GMT -5
I don't feel the Skull vote. Skull comes across to me as a proactive town member. Beyond that, the in character posting is just hurting my head right now (nobodies fault but my own.)
My eyes just kind of glaze over as I'm reading most of the posts right now.
It's a hard tossup right now for me between Kevin Day and Gus. But then you throw in paranoia and you call could be scum.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Nov 1, 2018 16:17:30 GMT -5
GM note: It was brought to my attention that the number of votes required for a lynch was not clear. It will require a simple majority (with 11 players atm it will take 6 votes).
The number required will be posted with every vote count from this moment on.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Nov 1, 2018 17:46:00 GMT -5
I'm going to drop my vote on Gus. VOTE: GUSVoting inactives makes sense to an extent, but I feel that is just plucking uninvolved townies one-by-one and helping our vlllains. Joker, I do find the skull being third party argument a bit weird, though. Why would a third party member want to bring attention to themselves? Like, if skull was a serial killer, and him coming out so strong, wouldn't that rise the ire of both the town and the scum? Wouldn't both groups want him gone since he's a menace to both sides winning? FOS: Joker until you can explain your rationale. My town reads so far: Daime Black Tyger skull jag Meat lodirulz Brad Not sure: OTHERKEVIN Brainbustaah Joker Gus
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Post by Skull0mancer on Nov 1, 2018 18:19:49 GMT -5
Voicing your opinion is fine, shouting from the rooftops look at me I am town in a game where you are trying to deduce who everyone is seems foolhardy. That's not at all what I was doing. Also, if I'm Scum and I'm being "foolhardy," then wouldn't that be a good thing for the Town since it would make me easier to catch? You make it sound like a foolhardy Scum player is a bad thing. There is no way you call me foolhardy if you legitimately think I'm Scum.
I was trying to covey my reasoning on why being loud/attention grabbing is not the best plan, personally I think you lean more to scum or third Party at the moment because you were so bold right from the start. Being bold is a Scum characteristic? Okay, Joker. Whatever you say. FOS:skull0mancerBecause of the reasons above. Your "reasons" amount to an absurd level of mental gymnastics to make my intentions seem nefarious as well as a slew of baseless accusations based on a "general hunch/feeling" that you conveniently can't explain. It sounds like you've already reached a conclusion and are trying to find (or force, as the case may be) reasons to reinforce that conclusion. Town does it the other way around, you know.
Tell me -- why are you waiting until now to bring this up? This started with you expressing displeasure over a vote I cast on page 1 a week ago. Did you not think to say anything about it until now? I think the timing feels a little odd, to be honest. Only after I put the squeeze on Gus do you show up to discredit me. When Gus flips Scum, you'll be the next person I look at.
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Post by Skull0mancer on Nov 1, 2018 18:20:14 GMT -5
If anybody wants to see the difference between Town reacting to pressure and Scum reacting to pressure, simply look at my interactions with Bear Meat and Gus, respectively. Bear Meat was my first real Scum read of the game, and I targeted him accordingly. I asked him questions, requested his input on a number of topics, and even threw a few accusations at him. How did he respond? By patiently answering my questions, explaining his actions, and making some valid points that I hadn't considered. Throughout it all, he remained level-headed and logical, and I can now understand exactly where he was coming from. For that, I now feel pretty confident that Bear Meat is Town. Now look at my interactions with Gus. I did not believe he was Scum initially, but he said a few things that grabbed my attention, so I questioned him about them. The more I talked to him, the less confident I was in that Town read. After applying what I would call an unspectacular amount of pressure, he was already getting frustrated with my inquiries, insisting that I was out to get him, and refusing to engage with me because, in his words, "I doubt there's anything I could say right now that is going to change your mind because you're clearly that set on going after me and me alone." The accusation here is that I'm too stubborn and inflexible to change my mind, but this thread contains plenty of direct evidence to the contrary. Why say it, then? Easy: It's an excuse to avoid engaging in serious discussion with me, because he's afraid of saying something incriminating that I, or others, will detect. Ever since then, it has been nothing but character assassination from Gus as he tries to paint me as being unreasonable and unwilling to change my mind -- which, again, my play has demonstrated to be untrue. It's a defeatist attitude from a Scum player who has been caught and does not know how to extricate himself from the noose. That also explains why his outlook on the future of the game is so bleak despite the fact that, from a Townie's perspective, there is nothing to be bleak about.
I've only seen players buckle under pressure this quickly a few times, and in all of those instances, they all flipped Scum. I see no reason to believe that this time will be different.
The deadline is only about a day and a half away. If you have not voted yet, I strongly encourage you to place your vote on Gus. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to avoid a no-lynch on Day 1, and I am confident that lynching Gus is our best chance at catching Scum at this point in the game. If, for whatever reason, a lynch on Gus does not seem feasible, I will be willing to compromise on Joker for the reasons highlighted in my previous post.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Nov 1, 2018 18:48:15 GMT -5
If anybody wants to see the difference between Town reacting to pressure and Scum reacting to pressure, simply look at my interactions with Bear Meat and Gus, respectively. Bear Meat was my first real Scum read of the game, and I targeted him accordingly. I asked him questions, requested his input on a number of topics, and even threw a few accusations at him. How did he respond? By patiently answering my questions, explaining his actions, and making some valid points that I hadn't considered. Throughout it all, he remained level-headed and logical, and I can now understand exactly where he was coming from. For that, I now feel pretty confident that Bear Meat is Town. Now look at my interactions with Gus. I did not believe he was Scum initially, but he said a few things that grabbed my attention, so I questioned him about them. The more I talked to him, the less confident I was in that Town read. After applying what I would call an unspectacular amount of pressure, he was already getting frustrated with my inquiries, insisting that I was out to get him, and refusing to engage with me because, in his words, "I doubt there's anything I could say right now that is going to change your mind because you're clearly that set on going after me and me alone." The accusation here is that I'm too stubborn and inflexible to change my mind, but this thread contains plenty of direct evidence to the contrary. Why say it, then? Easy: It's an excuse to avoid engaging in serious discussion with me, because he's afraid of saying something incriminating that I, or others, will detect. Ever since then, it has been nothing but character assassination from Gus as he tries to paint me as being unreasonable and unwilling to change my mind -- which, again, my play has demonstrated to be untrue. It's a defeatist attitude from a Scum player who has been caught and does not know how to extricate himself from the noose. That also explains why his outlook on the future of the game is so bleak despite the fact that, from a Townie's perspective, there is nothing to be bleak about. I've only seen players buckle under pressure this quickly a few times, and in all of those instances, they all flipped Scum. I see no reason to believe that this time will be different.
The deadline is only about a day and a half away. If you have not voted yet, I strongly encourage you to place your vote on Gus. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to avoid a no-lynch on Day 1, and I am confident that lynching Gus is our best chance at catching Scum at this point in the game. If, for whatever reason, a lynch on Gus does not seem feasible, I will be willing to compromise on Joker for the reasons highlighted in my previous post.
I'm not buckling under anything. I'm saying you've decided to go on an all-out assault on me and me only and only because I called you out on it have you finally begun to try to focus on anyone else. The only person whose outlook is bleak is yours because you're going to alienate yourself from everyone with your attitude. And the more you go on and on and on about how you're oh so sure that I'm scum, the worse you sound. There is only one character assassin here, and it's you. It's been you the entire time. You've refused to listen to anything at all that I've had to say and have instead just gone ahead and plugged your ears and started screaming for my head. Because why? Because it's impossible for you to think anything else about me? Because it's impossible for you to admit that you're wrong? The more you keep going with this behavior, the harder it is for Town to win and that's exactly what scum want. I don't know what the hell I have to say to you to get you to realize that and to get you to finally realize you're entirely wrong about me. It's not defeatist, it's realist. You said you're not me, but you are. You're doing the exact same thing I've done before. It will end badly for you, whether you want to admit it or not. UnvoteDaime has yet to reply and I doubt will so I'm withdrawing my vote, not because I've changed my mind because I haven't, but because it'd be unfair to keep targeting him without him having a chance to defend himself.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Nov 1, 2018 19:27:26 GMT -5
If anybody wants to see the difference between Town reacting to pressure and Scum reacting to pressure, simply look at my interactions with Bear Meat and Gus, respectively. Bear Meat was my first real Scum read of the game, and I targeted him accordingly. I asked him questions, requested his input on a number of topics, and even threw a few accusations at him. How did he respond? By patiently answering my questions, explaining his actions, and making some valid points that I hadn't considered. Throughout it all, he remained level-headed and logical, and I can now understand exactly where he was coming from. For that, I now feel pretty confident that Bear Meat is Town. Now look at my interactions with Gus. I did not believe he was Scum initially, but he said a few things that grabbed my attention, so I questioned him about them. The more I talked to him, the less confident I was in that Town read. After applying what I would call an unspectacular amount of pressure, he was already getting frustrated with my inquiries, insisting that I was out to get him, and refusing to engage with me because, in his words, "I doubt there's anything I could say right now that is going to change your mind because you're clearly that set on going after me and me alone." The accusation here is that I'm too stubborn and inflexible to change my mind, but this thread contains plenty of direct evidence to the contrary. Why say it, then? Easy: It's an excuse to avoid engaging in serious discussion with me, because he's afraid of saying something incriminating that I, or others, will detect. Ever since then, it has been nothing but character assassination from Gus as he tries to paint me as being unreasonable and unwilling to change my mind -- which, again, my play has demonstrated to be untrue. It's a defeatist attitude from a Scum player who has been caught and does not know how to extricate himself from the noose. That also explains why his outlook on the future of the game is so bleak despite the fact that, from a Townie's perspective, there is nothing to be bleak about. I've only seen players buckle under pressure this quickly a few times, and in all of those instances, they all flipped Scum. I see no reason to believe that this time will be different.
The deadline is only about a day and a half away. If you have not voted yet, I strongly encourage you to place your vote on Gus. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to avoid a no-lynch on Day 1, and I am confident that lynching Gus is our best chance at catching Scum at this point in the game. If, for whatever reason, a lynch on Gus does not seem feasible, I will be willing to compromise on Joker for the reasons highlighted in my previous post.
I'm not buckling under anything. I'm saying you've decided to go on an all-out assault on me and me only and only because I called you out on it have you finally begun to try to focus on anyone else. The only person whose outlook is bleak is yours because you're going to alienate yourself from everyone with your attitude. And the more you go on and on and on about how you're oh so sure that I'm scum, the worse you sound. There is only one character assassin here, and it's you. It's been you the entire time. You've refused to listen to anything at all that I've had to say and have instead just gone ahead and plugged your ears and started screaming for my head. Because why? Because it's impossible for you to think anything else about me? Because it's impossible for you to admit that you're wrong? The more you keep going with this behavior, the harder it is for Town to win and that's exactly what scum want. I don't know what the hell I have to say to you to get you to realize that and to get you to finally realize you're entirely wrong about me. It's not defeatist, it's realist. You said you're not me, but you are. You're doing the exact same thing I've done before. It will end badly for you, whether you want to admit it or not. UnvoteDaime has yet to reply and I doubt will so I'm withdrawing my vote, not because I've changed my mind because I haven't, but because it'd be unfair to keep targeting him without him having a chance to defend himself. With only days left to place a vote, who are you looking at voting for, if not Daime?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Nov 1, 2018 19:40:35 GMT -5
I'm not buckling under anything. I'm saying you've decided to go on an all-out assault on me and me only and only because I called you out on it have you finally begun to try to focus on anyone else. The only person whose outlook is bleak is yours because you're going to alienate yourself from everyone with your attitude. And the more you go on and on and on about how you're oh so sure that I'm scum, the worse you sound. There is only one character assassin here, and it's you. It's been you the entire time. You've refused to listen to anything at all that I've had to say and have instead just gone ahead and plugged your ears and started screaming for my head. Because why? Because it's impossible for you to think anything else about me? Because it's impossible for you to admit that you're wrong? The more you keep going with this behavior, the harder it is for Town to win and that's exactly what scum want. I don't know what the hell I have to say to you to get you to realize that and to get you to finally realize you're entirely wrong about me. It's not defeatist, it's realist. You said you're not me, but you are. You're doing the exact same thing I've done before. It will end badly for you, whether you want to admit it or not. UnvoteDaime has yet to reply and I doubt will so I'm withdrawing my vote, not because I've changed my mind because I haven't, but because it'd be unfair to keep targeting him without him having a chance to defend himself. With only days left to place a vote, who are you looking at voting for, if not Daime? That's the problem. The only solid scum read I had was on him. The rest of it is as follows: skull: Town but almost certainly going to do what I did in True Blood Mafia and alienate himself from the rest of Town, and I wish I knew what I could say or do to get him to change course, if it's even possible at this point jag: Not enough for a read The Brad: 100% Town THE OTHERKEVINDAYYYYYYYYY: Probably the next most likely scum pick considering his vote following Daime and also considering Joker's line of thought Joker: Almost certainly Town Brainbustaaah: Not enough for a read lodirulz: Not enough for a read You: Leaning Town but not sure
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 19:53:08 GMT -5
With only days left to place a vote, who are you looking at voting for, if not Daime? That's the problem. The only solid scum read I had was on him. The rest of it is as follows: skull: Town but almost certainly going to do what I did in True Blood Mafia and alienate himself from the rest of Town, and I wish I knew what I could say or do to get him to change course, if it's even possible at this point jag: Not enough for a read The Brad: 100% Town THE OTHERKEVINDAYYYYYYYYY: Probably the next most likely scum pick considering his vote following Daime and also considering Joker's line of thought Joker: Almost certainly Town Brainbustaaah: Not enough for a read lodirulz: Not enough for a read You: Leaning Town but not sure You have excluded the self-same poster that pens you this missive. Perhaps you can join the constituents voting against the esteemed Other Kevin. One more body may swing the tide. Monsieur Richlen, can you articulate why Town should not quench the gallows with your personage?
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Nov 1, 2018 20:05:34 GMT -5
Sorry for being AFK, but I can tell you all with my everything that I am not Scum and saying that I am is the worst decision you can make. I'll post my thoughts tomorrow, I haven't had time to read through everything due to life being crazy
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