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Post by Gecko on Nov 12, 2018 22:32:55 GMT -5
The tag team elimination match is the one currently set for the kickoff, so Murphy v Ali hasn’t been bumped... yet. It's a 2 hour kickoff, they usually have at least a couple of matches on them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 23:49:27 GMT -5
Realistically speaking with that tag team match, New Day and the Usos alone should be able to beat all ten of those guys easily.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 12, 2018 23:56:05 GMT -5
Realistically speaking with that tag team match, New Day and the Usos alone should be able to beat all ten of those guys easily. You could give the Raw team the other three slots with Gallows and Anderson, SAnitY, and The Colons, and the Usos/New Day could still probably beat them.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 13, 2018 0:53:30 GMT -5
RAW's women team is so bad.
Embarrassingly bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 1:05:00 GMT -5
RAW's women team is so bad. Embarrassingly bad. I can see a historic first womens elimination match to m.e sseries too.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 13, 2018 7:37:44 GMT -5
Realistically speaking with that tag team match, New Day and the Usos alone should be able to beat all ten of those guys easily. The mountain of meat destroyed almost all the Raw tag division last night. There is no way the SD vs Raw Tag Match should go more than 5 minutes after that.
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Post by CeilingFan on Nov 13, 2018 8:15:37 GMT -5
RAW's women team is so bad. Embarrassingly bad. Replace Natalya and Ruby with Sasha and Bayley, and the team is WAY better!
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 13, 2018 12:43:52 GMT -5
Problem is, that pretty much all of the teams on Raw have been buried and are heatless. They are a lost cause, hell, they have been a lost cause since 'mania. Best thing that could be done for the division on Raw is bring a new team from NXT to feud with AOP, because the ones that are left are just wack AF. I'd have to concur with EoE: Well There's Your Problem . I don't see anything that couldn't be fixed or at least alleviated with a strong showing. It's booking that makes talent 'wack AF' and it's booking that can make talent worthwhile. Now we know that WWE aren't likely to spend weeks showing us Dash and Dawson rack up wins. That's not really their style. But they love big matches like this to reset the narrative or correct course. I genuinely believe that a lot of supposedly lost causes could see new life if WWE books this with just a little bit of care. That last part is unlikely. It's unlikely that WWE will care about booking every team well. But if they can help one or two teams by giving the match time and importance, then they absolutely should. After last night, there is no way that match should go more than 5 minutes and be anything other than The Usos and The New Day dominating. The teams on Raw don't have enough heat between them to melt an ice cube, and booking the match to be an equal contest between Raw and SDL that lasts 10 minutes, then it's going to be met with silence and make the teams on SDL look like crap for not steamrollering the Jabronis on Raw.
Apart from AOP and the non active Breeze and Fandango, the teams on the Raw roster have been buried so deep the best thing to do is either keep them as jabronis (B-Team and The Ascension) or split them. Chad Gable is a guy that should be pushed as a singles star with Roode turning heel.
The best way to salvage the Tag Team division is to have AOP squash Jabronis for a few months, then bring up a team from NXT to feud with them, then have AOP feud with another team to build up their cred (probably Breeze and Fandango or a new team from two singles stars), and the team from NXT feud with another team to build them up. Do that, and the Raw Tag Team division would be built back up. The superstar shake up should also be used to get The New Day away from The Bar and The Usos. That is the best way to build the Raw Tag Team division up, not have the SDL teams look like shit by failing to totally plaster the goobers on Raw in front of a crowd that does not give a flying f***.
Sometimes, having a one sided squash match is the right choice, and if they do that, it will help The Usos in the build up to them taking on The Bar. Having a boring 10 minute match in which the crowd is silent because a bunch of goobers that they don't care about is on equal footing with the two teams the audience care about will help nobody.
Best thing that can happen in that match is for The Usos and The New Day to dominate, then cut a promo after the match challenging The Bar to step into the Penitentiary.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 13:09:05 GMT -5
My only real hope for the men’s elimination match is that they go all Elimination Chamber 2011 with Drew and have him show out in a big way. He’s the only guy in the whole match that has a chance to really do something in there, and a good showing could really put him over the top as a star. I’m talking at least 3 eliminations for him, and probably f***ing Braun’s shit up too.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 13, 2018 13:15:39 GMT -5
After last night, there is no way that match should go more than 5 minutes and be anything other than The Usos and The New Day dominating. The teams on Raw don't have enough heat between them to melt an ice cube, and booking the match to be an equal contest between Raw and SDL that lasts 10 minutes, then it's going to be met with silence and make the teams on SDL look like crap for not steamrollering the Jabronis on Raw.
Apart from AOP and the non active Breeze and Fandango, the teams on the Raw roster have been buried so deep the best thing to do is either keep them as jabronis (B-Team and The Ascension) or split them. Chad Gable is a guy that should be pushed as a singles star with Roode turning heel.
The best way to salvage the Tag Team division is to have AOP squash Jabronis for a few months, then bring up a team from NXT to feud with them, then have AOP feud with another team to build up their cred (probably Breeze and Fandango or a new team from two singles stars), and the team from NXT feud with another team to build them up. Do that, and the Raw Tag Team division would be built back up. The superstar shake up should also be used to get The New Day away from The Bar and The Usos. That is the best way to build the Raw Tag Team division up, not have the SDL teams look like shit by failing to totally plaster the goobers on Raw in front of a crowd that does not give a flying f***. Sometimes, having a one sided squash match is the right choice, and if they do that, it will help The Usos in the build up to them taking on The Bar. Having a boring 10 minute match in which the crowd is silent because a bunch of goobers that they don't care about is on equal footing with the two teams the audience care about will help nobody.
Best thing that can happen in that match is for The Usos and The New Day to dominate, then cut a promo after the match challenging The Bar to step into the Penitentiary.
Yeah, it seems that after last night especially... this match will go down about as you described. My point is more that it doesn't have to be that way. My point is that WWE have choices, all the choices in the world, but they continue to make only the choices which serve to reinforce their reliance on a narrow set of superstars. They didn't have to make Braun interrupt that match. They didn't have to give such little time to the match that did eventually take place. They could have booked that battle royal in a manner that made at least a few teams look good. They opted not to. It becomes a cycle with its own life. WWE says these talents aren't important and so people don't want to see them and so they get blamed for problems which stem, by and large, from booking incompetence. So, yes: because of the booking incompetence that was on display last night, I'm less excited for a match I thought had a lot of potential. I just won't do the extra step of blaming any of the wrestlers for that. Which a fair amount of people, implicitly or explicitly, seem to do.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 13, 2018 13:28:42 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems that after last night especially... this match will go down about as you described. My point is more that it doesn't have to be that way. My point is that WWE have choices, all the choices in the world, but they continue to make only the choices which serve to reinforce their reliance on a narrow set of superstars. They didn't have to make Braun interrupt that match. They didn't have to give such little time to the match that did eventually take place. They could have booked that battle royal in a manner that made at least a few teams look good. They opted not to. It becomes a cycle with its own life. WWE says these talents aren't important and so people don't want to see them and so they get blamed for problems which stem, by and large, from booking incompetence. So, yes: because of the booking incompetence that was on display last night, I'm less excited for a match I thought had a lot of potential. I just won't do the extra step of blaming any of the wrestlers for that. Which a fair amount of people, implicitly or explicitly, seem to do. WWE should not have booked the Tag Team division on Raw so poorly that the best option on Sunday is for a SDL squash, and I would have much preferred the match to have at least two teams on the Raw side that weren't goobers. If they kept Seth and Dean together and pushed Gable and Roode instead of going 50/50 with The Ascension, they could have.
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Post by markymark on Nov 13, 2018 13:31:12 GMT -5
From a wrestling standpoint SS could end up being a better PPV than Evolution.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Nov 13, 2018 13:40:55 GMT -5
Just watched RAW and yeah Becky/Ronda better main event.
Ronda's material was cringey, but I liked the promo overall and to me it was clearly meant to be a Becky like promo with it teetering between face with heel tendencies.
So with that plus the close of the show brawl and face off it felt like they want the match to have the two biggest baddest female stars go all out and just allow crowd go with whoever the crowd wants.
We have to give WWE credit for making this a must f***ing see money match in 3 weeks! 3 weeks!
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 13, 2018 13:41:36 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems that after last night especially... this match will go down about as you described. My point is more that it doesn't have to be that way. My point is that WWE have choices, all the choices in the world, but they continue to make only the choices which serve to reinforce their reliance on a narrow set of superstars. They didn't have to make Braun interrupt that match. They didn't have to give such little time to the match that did eventually take place. They could have booked that battle royal in a manner that made at least a few teams look good. They opted not to. It becomes a cycle with its own life. WWE says these talents aren't important and so people don't want to see them and so they get blamed for problems which stem, by and large, from booking incompetence. So, yes: because of the booking incompetence that was on display last night, I'm less excited for a match I thought had a lot of potential. I just won't do the extra step of blaming any of the wrestlers for that. Which a fair amount of people, implicitly or explicitly, seem to do. WWE should not have booked the Tag Team division on Raw so poorly that the best option on Sunday is for a SDL squash, and I would have much preferred the match to have at least two teams on the Raw side that weren't goobers. If they kept Seth and Dean together and pushed Gable and Roode instead of going 50/50 with The Ascension, they could have. I can agree with you on that. Also, I know you had said that it's better to know which wrestlers are beyond saving. I think whenever you book a debacle like the sort we saw on Monday, it becomes just a little bit harder to muster up interest in your roster. I don't think anyone is beyond saving. But I do think you reach a point where enough fans, smark and casual, don't want to see certain talent being rebuilt. So... WWE should fight this. They should give everyone a certain amount of TV time, a level of freedom in their work, and then fire them if they fail to meet expectations. WWE's view, instead, has been to devalue the people they pay for by keeping them on the bench for months on end. It's stupid. I'll keep saying it. It's also incredibly shortsighted in the event that any of their favorites get injured. WWE has over a hundred people on the main roster but there's a big and almost immediate drop-off in the level of importance once you move past the 40 people that they always use.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 13, 2018 14:59:43 GMT -5
And the Champion vs Champion AF match is off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 19:08:46 GMT -5
People can lose their shit about Becky/Rousey being off but all I want to see is The Bar and Authors of Pain beat the crap out of each other. Plus Drake interacting with The Big Show will be hilarious
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 21:15:03 GMT -5
I'm going to call it now, either Charlotte beats Rousey or it goes to a no-contest. There's just so much more storytelling potential in Nia and Tamina interfering than in Rousey winning clean.
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Post by Shark on Nov 13, 2018 21:28:06 GMT -5
Has the Smackdown women's team been filled in yet?
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Nov 13, 2018 22:11:21 GMT -5
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Post by CH Punk on Nov 13, 2018 22:32:41 GMT -5
So, it's been said that Vince usually likes to surprise the audience when an unexpected card change happens. Is the WWE Title swap like a make good on the clear #1 match being canned?
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