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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 13:18:39 GMT -5
In a bizarre irony, Wetteland and Chad Curtis were teammates on the 2000 Rangers and were both out of the majors after the 2001 season.
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Post by domrep on Jan 15, 2019 14:19:03 GMT -5
It's crazy that one of Machado/Harper might end up in Philly or on the White Sox. I'm sure neither player imagined that's how things would end up. Also, regarding the free agency market being cold. You have to thank the GMs and owners who were giving out 10-12 year contracts like candy. Albert Pujols still has another 3 years left on that contract. It's very rare for those contracts to work out. I wonder if players will start accepting lower years for more AAV. That might be how they maximize their money from now on. Like if Machado accepts a 4 year, $160M and goes back on the market at age 30, you’d think a team with money might bite on that rather than 10/300. It’s more upfront money for the player but less long term security. You’re exactly right teams are scared of term, not dollars. I guarantee players would be making way more per year if they accepted fewer years but everyone wants Pujols years. Teams are smarter than that now. If I were a Machado or Harper, I'd absolutely take the shorter contract for a higher AAV. Lebron had been on 1 year contracts for like the past 4 years, all in an effort to maximize his earning potential and get the 35% of the salary contract (or something close to it). At the very least, sign the long term contract, but have an opt out after 4 years. Harper and Machado would still be what...30/31 years old, and can probably do another 4-5 year contract. Players should have more faith in themselves.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 15, 2019 15:22:15 GMT -5
I wonder if players will start accepting lower years for more AAV. That might be how they maximize their money from now on. Like if Machado accepts a 4 year, $160M and goes back on the market at age 30, you’d think a team with money might bite on that rather than 10/300. It’s more upfront money for the player but less long term security. You’re exactly right teams are scared of term, not dollars. I guarantee players would be making way more per year if they accepted fewer years but everyone wants Pujols years. Teams are smarter than that now. If I were a Machado or Harper, I'd absolutely take the shorter contract for a higher AAV. Lebron had been on 1 year contracts for like the past 4 years, all in an effort to maximize his earning potential and get the 35% of the salary contract (or something close to it). At the very least, sign the long term contract, but have an opt out after 4 years. Harper and Machado would still be what...30/31 years old, and can probably do another 4-5 year contract. Players should have more faith in themselves. NBA contracts are diff. LeBron took 1 year deals to hold power over the team while also having to wait a few years so he can get the supermax. Same with Durant is doing with the Warriors in regards to getting the Supermax
NBA players i'm sure would love to go back to having 7 year deals but the max they can get is 5 from their team and 4 from everyone else
MLB GM's would love if players started taking 4 year deals which would lower the market but that's not going to happen because they'd be severely limiting themselves. Machado has a better chance of signing an 8 year deal now and still being able to sign a decent deal again at 34 as compared to signing a 4 year deal and then being stuck with another 4 year deal at 30/31. It's bad enough players are stuck with signing 2 year deals now
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Post by Cyno on Jan 15, 2019 19:49:51 GMT -5
In a bizarre irony, Wetteland and Chad Curtis were teammates on the 2000 Rangers and were both out of the majors after the 2001 season. Curtis also came to the Yankees a year after Wetteland left.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 16, 2019 14:53:50 GMT -5
Wonder if Yanks jump back in cause they could easily match that deal and if they found a way to get Jacoby off the books that's even better
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Post by domrep on Jan 16, 2019 16:26:32 GMT -5
How ironic is it that the Orioles gave Chris Davis a 7 year/$161 million deal, and Machado's rumored deal is $175 million over 7. Orioles basically chose Davis over Machado.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 16, 2019 17:43:13 GMT -5
How ironic is it that the Orioles gave Chris Davis a 7 year/$161 million deal, and Machado's rumored deal is $175 million over 7. Orioles basically chose Davis over Machado. Not exactly a one to one perfect comparison
- Orioles was still a playoff team when they signed Davis - Contracts were still inflated then and Davis got it at a good time - This is what the market is dictating for Manny
If he were still with the Orioles and they were still a playoff team no doubt they would have been offering him $300 million like the Nats did with Bryce
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 17, 2019 12:05:42 GMT -5
I don't get why this FA market is such trash in terms of $.
They have some good players out there and no one is blinking yet.
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Post by BRV on Jan 17, 2019 13:58:01 GMT -5
According to ESPN's Jeff Passan, relief pitcher Adam Ottavino has signed with the New York Yankees for three years and $27 million.
Meanwhile, the Red Sox do f***ing nothing to address their bullpen and now will be forced to overpay for Craig Kimbrel because there's no other palatable bullpen options left in free agency.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 17, 2019 14:08:56 GMT -5
According to ESPN's Jeff Passan, relief pitcher Adam Ottavino has signed with the New York Yankees for three years and $27 million. Meanwhile, the Red Sox do f***ing nothing to address their bullpen and now will be forced to overpay for Craig Kimbrel because there's no other palatable bullpen options left in free agency. Bullpen is f***ing nasty for the Yanks
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Post by Cyno on Jan 17, 2019 15:33:41 GMT -5
Ottavino, Britton, Betances, AND Chapman on the same bullpen? Jesus.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 17, 2019 15:40:51 GMT -5
Ottavino, Britton, Betances, AND Chapman on the same bullpen? Jesus. And that's not even adding Chad Green who throws gas and is underrated
Rotation: Sevy Paxton Tanaka Happ CC
Plus Sonny Gray (While he's still on the roster since Heyman reports he's about to be traded soon)
Probably the best all around pitching unit the Yankees have had on paper in years
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 17:55:43 GMT -5
Ottavino, Britton, Betances, AND Chapman on the same bullpen? Jesus. Hopefully, Good Betances shows up again.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 18, 2019 1:35:23 GMT -5
Steve Blass, former Pirates pitcher, World Series champion, and color analyst for the past 34 years, announced that he is retiring from the broadcast booth after the 2019 season. But he will stick around as an ambassador.
Steve has been with the Pirates organization for 60 years. That's crazy, and he's 76. So he's been with the Pirates his entire adult life.
I work at PNC Park, and I get to go to the press box, and I can say that all of those guys, especially Steve, are some of the coolest and funniest guys I've ever met. Happy trails, Mr. Blass.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 18, 2019 21:53:38 GMT -5
A mystery team has thrown their hat into the Machado’s sweepstakes.
Hopefully it’s his former (for half-a-season) GM.
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Post by sfvega on Jan 18, 2019 21:55:41 GMT -5
Man, the Cards dream off-season in the pen would have been to get Ottavino and Britton. The Yanks already had a good reliever corps, but they did great this off-season.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 18, 2019 22:08:01 GMT -5
Man, the Cards dream off-season in the pen would have been to get Ottavino and Britton. The Yanks already had a good reliever corps, but they did great this off-season. They’ve had a really good offseason but oh course if they don’t get Machado that’s all the talking heads will care about
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Post by sfvega on Jan 18, 2019 22:18:19 GMT -5
Man, the Cards dream off-season in the pen would have been to get Ottavino and Britton. The Yanks already had a good reliever corps, but they did great this off-season. They’ve had a really good offseason but oh course if they don’t get Machado that’s all the talking heads will care about Which is silly. They bolstered their rotation and might have the best bullpen in baseball right now. All they need is a real 1st baseman. Maybe Andujar is the guy. But with the postseason Manny had, I think he's the last thing they need at his price tag. They have a much better off-season without him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 18, 2019 23:57:48 GMT -5
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsyUZScney4 Highly disagree with Evan. These guys are top stars and could have signed a long time ago because money is not an issue for them. They will still be top paid players in the game but these guys were looking to break records sans Dallas who was trying to get a 5 year deal on a down year
Those absurd contracts aren't coming like they used to. You got guys like Jacoby Ellsbury and Homer Bailey making $25 plus million a year to hardly be factors on their respective teams
Go champion guys like Adam Jones, Marwin Gonzales, Josh Harrison etc... who can still contribute on teams but is held up by top free agents like Machado and Harper not getting on a team
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 19, 2019 3:46:41 GMT -5
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsyUZScney4 Highly disagree with Evan. These guys are top stars and could have signed a long time ago because money is not an issue for them. They will still be top paid players in the game but these guys were looking to break records sans Dallas who was trying to get a 5 year deal on a down year Those absurd contracts aren't coming like they used to. You got guys like Jacoby Ellsbury and Homer Bailey making $25 plus million a year to hardly be factors on their respective teams Go champion guys like Adam Jones, Marwin Gonzales, Josh Harrison etc... who can still contribute on teams but is held up by top free agents like Machado and Harper not getting on a team
Yeah, teams are not going to put themselves in hostage for years to keep a guy like the Orioles are with Chris Davis.
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