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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 9, 2018 20:18:17 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing. I mean there’s a quote in the article, from Theo, that explains their approach to not having “untouchables”. Which means Kris Bryiant is available if you want to drastically overpay for him. I do think things, with the Cubs, have gone a little askew, the past couple of years. But it’s all relative. They still won 95 games last season. They’re not trading Kris Bryant, unless someone blows them away with an offer. And I very much doubt that happens. Right I don't think they trade Bryant now unless they get blown away by an offer but I wouldn't be surprised if they do so before he hits FA
Kris is not going to give them a hometown discount when his times comes up but looking a few years ahead if i'm not mistaken big contracts like Lester and Rizzo will be off the books so they obviously will be shoring up their key young guys in Wilson, Kris, and Javy
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 9, 2018 20:25:56 GMT -5
Joe Mauer will announce his official retirement from baseball, as I mentioned during the last game in the Season thread. Thank you Joe. You did us proud. Yea no surprise there really with the send off they gave him
He still had enough in his bat to keep going a few more years but he took pride in only playing for his hometown
Going be an interesting case for a HOF bid for him because he stopped being a full time catcher essentially in the beginning of his contract and never caught more than 75 games a season from 2012 on
If he had his numbers as a "pure catcher" he's in. Whether he gets into the HOF or not they will consider his peak years heavily which were really good when he was one of the top hitters in baseball as a catcher
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 21:21:32 GMT -5
Joe Mauer will announce his official retirement from baseball, as I mentioned during the last game in the Season thread. Thank you Joe. You did us proud. Yea no surprise there really with the send off they gave him He still had enough in his bat to keep going a few more years but he took pride in only playing for his hometown Going be an interesting case for a HOF bid for him because he stopped being a full time catcher essentially in the beginning of his contract and never caught more than 75 games a season from 2012 on
If he had his numbers as a "pure catcher" he's in. Whether he gets into the HOF or not they will consider his peak years heavily which were really good when he was one of the top hitters in baseball as a catcher
I was thinking that exact same thing.
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 10, 2018 13:34:50 GMT -5
Red Sox fans need to retire "Yankees Suck". Somebody had it on a sign at a Boston College football game. Crazy. Your team just won it's 4th championship this century. Why are the Yankees even on your mind? Focus on your team's success.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 10, 2018 14:56:46 GMT -5
Red Sox fans need to retire "Yankees Suck". Somebody had it on a sign at a Boston College football game. Crazy. Your team just won it's 4th championship this century. Why are the Yankees even on your mind? Focus on your team's success. It’s not going anywhere, nobody likes it but it’s here to stay. Like seeet Caroline and pink hats.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 10, 2018 14:56:57 GMT -5
Red Sox fans need to retire "Yankees Suck". Somebody had it on a sign at a Boston College football game. Crazy. Your team just won it's 4th championship this century. Why are the Yankees even on your mind? Focus on your team's success. It’s not going anywhere, nobody likes it but it’s here to stay. Like seeet Caroline and pink hats.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 10, 2018 16:13:18 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports the Nationals and Astros agreed on a trade of Bryce Harper at the July trade deadline but it was vetoed by Nationals ownership.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 10, 2018 20:32:43 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports the Nationals and Astros agreed on a trade of Bryce Harper at the July trade deadline but it was vetoed by Nationals ownership. They didn't want to mess up their relationship with Bryce apparently
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 10, 2018 20:33:17 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports the Nationals and Astros agreed on a trade of Bryce Harper at the July trade deadline but it was vetoed by Nationals ownership. They didn't want to mess up their relationship with Bryce apparently And they going to lose him for nothing
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 10, 2018 20:36:32 GMT -5
They didn't want to mess up their relationship with Bryce apparently And they going to lose him for nothing Precisely
Better hope that comp pick they get for him turns out to be really good ala Angels selecting Mike Trout
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2018 19:03:37 GMT -5
Ohtani AL Rookie of the Year and Acuna is the NL
Figured Ohtani would win as his pitching put him over the top along with his good hitting. Andujar had a great season but his defense held him back while Torres hit 24 bombs in less than 500 PA's but injuries slowed him down at the end. Yanks rooks sort of took votes away from each other but f*** it the future is bright
Acuna and Soto was neck and neck and thought their was a chance of being co rookie of the years. Figured Acuna might win cause his numbers will pop a little more thanks to Braves being in a playoff hunt while Washington wasn't playing for much of anything
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Post by sfvega on Nov 12, 2018 19:05:46 GMT -5
Ohtani AL Rookie of the Year and Acuna is the NL Figured Ohtani would win as his pitching put him over the top along with his good hitting. Andujar had a great season but his defense held him back while Torres hit 24 bombs in less than 500 PA's but injuries slowed him down at the end. Yanks rooks sort of took votes away from each other but f*** it the future is bright Acuna and Soto was neck and neck and thought their was a chance of being co rookie of the years. Figured Acuna might win cause his numbers will pop a little more thanks to Braves being in a playoff hunt while Washington wasn't playing for much of anything I feel like if Acuna didn't get injured, this wouldn't be that close.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2018 19:13:36 GMT -5
Ohtani AL Rookie of the Year and Acuna is the NL Figured Ohtani would win as his pitching put him over the top along with his good hitting. Andujar had a great season but his defense held him back while Torres hit 24 bombs in less than 500 PA's but injuries slowed him down at the end. Yanks rooks sort of took votes away from each other but f*** it the future is bright Acuna and Soto was neck and neck and thought their was a chance of being co rookie of the years. Figured Acuna might win cause his numbers will pop a little more thanks to Braves being in a playoff hunt while Washington wasn't playing for much of anything I feel like if Acuna didn't get injured, this wouldn't be that close. Agreed on Acuna.
I think if Torres got close to 600 PA's like Andujar did he would have probably won over Ohtani considering you're looking at probably 30 bombs from a 2B and add on playing for a playoff spot too
Angels have a great problem in Ohtani with pitching and hitting but idk if he can realistically do both consistently. He's got more pop in his bat than people thought but he also is a lefty that throws 99 MPH. He's young so they are going to keep testing it and in todays game where a start can give you 5 innings and leave he may do it but I wouldn't be surprised if the stronger and older he gets they keep him as a pitcher and give him the occasional at bat to keep him happy
Worst case scenario is he has to get another TJ at some point in the future and just fully focuses on hitting but as far as need goes you may be best served keeping him a pitcher.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 12, 2018 19:24:58 GMT -5
I feel like if Acuna didn't get injured, this wouldn't be that close. Agreed on Acuna.
I think if Torres got close to 600 PA's like Andujar did he would have probably won over Ohtani considering you're looking at probably 30 bombs from a 2B and add on playing for a playoff spot too Angels have a great problem in Ohtani with pitching and hitting but idk if he can realistically do both consistently. He's got more pop in his bat than people thought but he also is a lefty that throws 99 MPH. He's young so they are going to keep testing it and in todays game where a start can give you 5 innings and leave he may do it but I wouldn't be surprised if the stronger and older he gets they keep him as a pitcher and give him the occasional at bat to keep him happy Worst case scenario is he has to get another TJ at some point in the future and just fully focuses on hitting but as far as need goes you may be best served keeping him a pitcher.
Agreed on Torres. I would keep Ohtani in the OF, just because pitchers this era are a goddamn nightmare. If you're not Chris Sale or Klubot, you're missing like 150 games over the course of 3 seasons. And that's for a position who only plays every 5 days. Their health just can't keep up with the strain on their arm. So at least you have a mostly healthy, young bat who can develop more. If he stays pitching, he's easily gonna be out more, his future is much less defined, and it also takes away from his ABs/focus batting. The risk/reward is so skewed pitching-wise. The reward is high because pitchers can have a bigger impact, but the risk is completely astronomical. Remember when Julio Urias or Carlos Rodon were the next big things? They still can be, but that road is exactly why you don't keep him pitching.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Nov 12, 2018 19:29:14 GMT -5
Ohtani missed too many games for my liking.
But the two-way narrative was impossible to ignore
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2018 19:35:14 GMT -5
Agreed on Acuna.
I think if Torres got close to 600 PA's like Andujar did he would have probably won over Ohtani considering you're looking at probably 30 bombs from a 2B and add on playing for a playoff spot too Angels have a great problem in Ohtani with pitching and hitting but idk if he can realistically do both consistently. He's got more pop in his bat than people thought but he also is a lefty that throws 99 MPH. He's young so they are going to keep testing it and in todays game where a start can give you 5 innings and leave he may do it but I wouldn't be surprised if the stronger and older he gets they keep him as a pitcher and give him the occasional at bat to keep him happy Worst case scenario is he has to get another TJ at some point in the future and just fully focuses on hitting but as far as need goes you may be best served keeping him a pitcher.
Agreed on Torres. I would keep Ohtani in the OF, just because pitchers this era are a goddamn nightmare. If you're not Chris Sale or Klubot, you're missing like 150 games over the course of 3 seasons. And that's for a position who only plays every 5 days. Their health just can't keep up with the strain on their arm. So at least you have a mostly healthy, young bat who can develop more. If he stays pitching, he's easily gonna be out more, his future is much less defined, and it also takes away from his ABs/focus batting. The risk/reward is so skewed pitching-wise. The reward is high because pitchers can have a bigger impact, but the risk is completely astronomical. Remember when Julio Urias or Carlos Rodon were the next big things? They still can be, but that road is exactly why you don't keep him pitching. You not wrong
Having Ohtani in the line up with Trout could be a headache for a team for years and the value as a key LH bat can be high if you think his power could reach the 40 range
Hell, he can even be a reliever too and bat which could work but it all depends how the Angels play those. They may be stuck with him as a hitter after f***ing him over badly and making his arm worse which made the TJ necessary
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Post by sfvega on Nov 12, 2018 19:42:59 GMT -5
Agreed on Torres. I would keep Ohtani in the OF, just because pitchers this era are a goddamn nightmare. If you're not Chris Sale or Klubot, you're missing like 150 games over the course of 3 seasons. And that's for a position who only plays every 5 days. Their health just can't keep up with the strain on their arm. So at least you have a mostly healthy, young bat who can develop more. If he stays pitching, he's easily gonna be out more, his future is much less defined, and it also takes away from his ABs/focus batting. The risk/reward is so skewed pitching-wise. The reward is high because pitchers can have a bigger impact, but the risk is completely astronomical. Remember when Julio Urias or Carlos Rodon were the next big things? They still can be, but that road is exactly why you don't keep him pitching. You not wrong Having Ohtani in the line up with Trout could be a headache for a team for years and the value as a key LH bat can be high if you think his power could reach the 40 range
Hell, he can even be a reliever too and bat which could work but it all depends how the Angels play those. They may be stuck with him as a hitter after f***ing him over badly and making his arm worse which made the TJ necessary
It's weird because teams baby their young pitchers SO much. Kershaw was always on a hard pitch count, Felix had a low hard maximum on his breaking stuff or was told not to throw it altogether some games, and of course the Nats shutting down Stras in the playoffs. But the Angels from the start of the season were like, "Are you dead? Then maybe just a few starts won't hurt you that much."
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2018 19:59:40 GMT -5
You not wrong Having Ohtani in the line up with Trout could be a headache for a team for years and the value as a key LH bat can be high if you think his power could reach the 40 range
Hell, he can even be a reliever too and bat which could work but it all depends how the Angels play those. They may be stuck with him as a hitter after f***ing him over badly and making his arm worse which made the TJ necessary
It's weird because teams baby their young pitchers SO much. Kershaw was always on a hard pitch count, Felix had a low hard maximum on his breaking stuff or was told not to throw it altogether some games, and of course the Nats shutting down Stras in the playoffs. But the Angels from the start of the season were like, "Are you dead? Then maybe just a few starts won't hurt you that much." Ohtani will never pitch 200 innings if we are projecting forward even if he does become a full time pitcher
Angels knew his arm was f***ed and still deemed had him pitch a meaningless game. Take advantage of that bat if he can stay consistent which looks like he's a legit bat with some power
Plus keeping him healthy is basically your only way of justifying not trading Mike Trout at this point because without Shohei, you would have everyone calling and trading the farm for Trout
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Post by Cyno on Nov 12, 2018 21:15:13 GMT -5
Ohtani winning ROTY is a crock.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2018 21:36:12 GMT -5
Ohtani winning ROTY is a crock. If he didn't have the pitching on his side it no doubt should have went to either Andujar or Torres
Will see how CY Young turns out because imo they should go to Blake Snell and Jacob DeGrom
MVP should be Mookie Betts and Christain Yelich
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