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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Feb 11, 2019 19:53:16 GMT -5
I’m going to lose my mind if they actually do it.
Still convinced it’s not going to happen and then they sign Adam Jones as Plan B.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2019 23:31:39 GMT -5
I’m going to lose my mind if they actually do it. Still convinced it’s not going to happen and then they sign Adam Jones as Plan B. I'd lose my mind with you because Giants have money they just not spending it and for them to nab Bryce when they weren't on the radar would be the first big move for new management
Would be their biggest acquisition since Barry Bonds
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Post by sfvega on Feb 12, 2019 8:21:49 GMT -5
I’m going to lose my mind if they actually do it. Still convinced it’s not going to happen and then they sign Adam Jones as Plan B. My question is, if he signs, what is the rest of plan A? The rest of that offense and your farm system is looking rough.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 12, 2019 9:23:19 GMT -5
Get off your high horse. Bryce turned down $300 million from the Nats. He's had talks with White Sox and Padres who are both rebuilding teams
It's not that no one wants them, their price has remained high all offseason and they've sat waiting for a team to break
Tigers, Orioles, Marlins etc aren't going to commit $300 million to one player when their rebuilds are going to take 3-4 years. By then you're looking at a 30 year old player who's still in his prime but the window is getting closed faster
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 12, 2019 11:14:38 GMT -5
Yeah, baseball is cyclical. A team sucking at the major level NEEDS the ability to restock their farm system with top prospects that can eventually develop into major league talent. And the draft is a key part of that. All that seems to be doing is restoring the whole "Haves and Have Nots" system that existed in the older days before unrestricted free agency. It's one of those things that you hear about from a not-insignificant amount of sports fans, that leagues need Dynasties, and in order to keep dynasties, the good teams need to be able to acquire young superstar talent on ELC salaries too. Now, I don't follow MLB that closely, but from what I gather, there isn't a hard cap (just a luxury tax)? So maybe that doesn't matter as much, and FA can play a larger role in that? Personally, I don't really know how I feel about the whole Dynasty vs. Parity thing.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 12, 2019 13:42:49 GMT -5
Yeah, baseball is cyclical. A team sucking at the major level NEEDS the ability to restock their farm system with top prospects that can eventually develop into major league talent. And the draft is a key part of that. All that seems to be doing is restoring the whole "Haves and Have Nots" system that existed in the older days before unrestricted free agency. It's one of those things that you hear about from a not-insignificant amount of sports fans, that leagues need Dynasties, and in order to keep dynasties, the good teams need to be able to acquire young superstar talent on ELC salaries too. Now, I don't follow MLB that closely, but from what I gather, there isn't a hard cap (just a luxury tax)? So maybe that doesn't matter as much, and FA can play a larger role in that? Personally, I don't really know how I feel about the whole Dynasty vs. Parity thing. Yeah, there's no salary cap in MLB. Just the luxury tax. I mean, I'm a fan of the Yankees who until recently were almost always THE top spenders in the league, though now the Dodgers and the Red Sox have been outspending them. But before free agency really became a thing, you had a system of haves-and-have-nots where bottom feeders like the Royals would practically become a major league-tier farm system for teams like the Yankees that would just trade their best talent away to them on the regular. That's how the great teams were able to remain dominant in the old days in addition to being able to lock up their top talent for most, if not all of their careers unless they traded them for whatever reason. Free agency put a lot of power back into players' hands.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 12, 2019 16:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by AwamoriRock on Feb 12, 2019 17:59:09 GMT -5
Heyman says Harper isn’t considering short term deals.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Feb 12, 2019 18:19:43 GMT -5
Heyman says Harper isn’t considering short term deals. Well ****. I think that puts the Giants in the backseat.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Feb 12, 2019 21:19:15 GMT -5
I see the Marlins moving or contracting in less than five years because Jeter is going to finish putting the franchise in the ground.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 12, 2019 23:20:00 GMT -5
I see the Marlins moving or contracting in less than five years because Jeter is going to finish putting the franchise in the ground. Marlins ain't going nowhere
They basically got the taxpayers paying for that stadium
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Post by BRV on Feb 13, 2019 10:56:56 GMT -5
I see the Marlins moving or contracting in less than five years because Jeter is going to finish putting the franchise in the ground. Marlins ain't going nowhere They basically got the taxpayers paying for that stadium
In addition to a stadium that was opened in 2012, the team also rebranded that same year and just this year introduced a new color scheme and uniforms. There's been too much money poured into the Marlins (from many sides, including unhappy Miami taxpayers) for the Marlins to just fold up shop. Also, there's no way Major League Baseball contracts a team in a top-20 television market. The team is presently being run into the ground because of incompetence on a number of levels, but they also have built a nice core of young talent who should be able to help the big league club before the franchise is once again stripped for parts once those players approach free agency. Sixto Sanchez, Jorge Alfaro, Lewis Brinson, Monte Harrison, Victor Victor Mesa, Nick Neidert, Sandy Alcantara, Tommy Eveld, and Isan Diaz all have the potential to be solid big leaguers within the next half-decade. But, here's my theory: Major League Baseball wants to expand into new markets. Rob Manfred last summer mentioned Portland, Las Vegas, Charlotte, Nashville, Montreal, Vancouver, and Mexico as possible future homes of a MLB club. Instead of expanding, combine the Marlins and Tampa Bay Rays into a single Florida entity - the Florida Rays sounds nice - and create a new expansion team in one of those previously mentioned cities. That way, there are still 30 clubs, the talent pool isn't diluted, and baseball can finally rid itself of the embarrassment of thousands of empty seats in Tropicana Field without the Rays entirely moving.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Feb 13, 2019 12:22:56 GMT -5
I’m driving myself nuts waiting for this Bryce Harper news to eventually break.
Just get it over with my man... and also please choose the Giants
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 13, 2019 13:12:09 GMT -5
I’m driving myself nuts waiting for this Bryce Harper news to eventually break. Just get it over with my man... and also please choose the Giants Lol boy if you don't sit down
Everyone else been waiting since November, you only had a week so far
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Post by burdette25159 on Feb 13, 2019 21:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 13, 2019 22:01:16 GMT -5
Im hoping maybe the GMs in baseball are getting smart. Harper has batted sub .250 in 2 of the last 3 years
The ceiling is still high, but he's more likely to be a 25/90 and .260 guy than anything else. He's really only had one exceptional year and it was four years ago.
If he were playing along the expectations of being a $25M+ a year player he'd be signed, but I think the demands arfe probably asinine. The fact he's not willing to sign relatively short term shows he's not confident in his future. Hard pass. And that's tough when theres only a handful of teams that can afford you to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 22:16:43 GMT -5
Barf! And it's a Sinclair station, too. I don't know what it's like to live in Chicago and be a White Sox fan. Everyone must treat you like a freak.
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Post by Perd on Feb 13, 2019 22:17:50 GMT -5
It’s pretty clear that, for most teams, it’s the years and not the money. I’d bet it Harper and Machado would take 5 year deals, teams might go as high as 40 million a year. But these teams don’t want to be stuck paying diludes, in their mid thirties, 30-35 million a year.
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Post by Perd on Feb 13, 2019 22:29:54 GMT -5
Barf! And it's a Sinclair station, too. I don't know what it's like to live in Chicago and be a White Sox fan. Everyone must treat you like a freak. It’s not been a banner offseason: - Ownership is crying poor - They’re bringing back Addison Russell - The patriarch of the Ricketts family is a piece of garbage - And now partnering with Sinclair to launch their network But, hey, 2016 sure was fun.
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Post by BRV on Feb 14, 2019 11:08:29 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time reconciling how I feel about the current free agent market. It's the middle of February and two transcendent free agents who were expected to sign record-breaking contracts remain unsigned.
Part of me wants to blame the owners for nickel-and-diming elite talent in the name of saving a buck here or there, even if it comes at a cost of wins on the field. But another part of me feels that this is sort of a market correction stemming from owners and general managers giving Carl Crawford a seven-year, $142 million deal; Albert Pujols' 10-year, $240 million contract; Chris Davis' seven-year, $161 million albatross; and Jason Heyward's eight-year, $184 million deal.
Even though Manny Machado and Bryce Harper are both 26 and hypothetically just entering their primes, I'm struggling to lambast owners for not having some $300 million sword of damocles hanging over their heads for the next decade. I think baseball free agency is entering a new era of front-loaded short-term deals over these drawn-out, multi-year contracts. It just looks bad because billionaire baseball owners are lamenting their dollars and cents while top free agents remain on the block as Spring Training begins.
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