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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 18:28:57 GMT -5
We gotta nip this in the bud dawg. I know some people want to see that underdog storyline again but we gotta talk about this. Bryan is a 5 time world champion. Bryan is a Triple Crown Champion. Bryan is a Grand Slam Champion. Bryan's won a Money in the Bank ladder match. Bryan was in a Rumble for 1hr and 16mins which is the longest time spent in a single Rumble match of all time. Bryan beat Cena at a major ppv. Bryan was part of the team that gave Shield their first loss by pin or submission. Bryan has beaten Triple H at a Wrestlemania. Bryan has beaten Orton and Batista at the same time at a Wrestlemania. Cole (Vince's ear) said Bryan's performance at WM30 is the greatest 1 night performance out of anyone in history. No one in WWE history is touching Bryan that one night, that's as high as you can go. Bryan's consistently going over numerous talent who is presented as on his level and it's been this way since he's come to the company. Bryan continuously topples giants such as the Big Shows and the Mark Henrys of the company. Bryan continuously topples the smaller guys such as the Rey Mysterios of the company. Bryan continuously topples the faster more technical guys such as the Seth Rollinss of the company. Bryan continuously topples the unorthadox guys such as the Ambroses of this company. Bryan can beat you in strikes, submissions, high flying manuevers, technical skills. What you want? Samoa Joe was out there creating Rube Goldberg Machine plans, out there buying shit from ACME Corporation, dude was out there holding Tsunade's winning lotto ticket and planning shit like he's Bruce Wayne and he still couldn't get the job done after all of those months. Bryan heard AJ say his name once and he got that title after AJ had been defending it against so called mob bosses and foreigners all year. Bryan straight up decimated Cass in both matches so bad that they straight up said Bryan forced Cass to leave the company live on air and now Big Cass looks like this. And here's the matches that Bryan lost since returning Greatest Royal Rumbe Match - He had been in for 1hr and 16 mins and lost. Can't blame him. Rusev - Clean. Great for Rusev. Samoa Joe - Joe grabbed Bryan from behind when Bryan was about to win by pinning Cass. Miz - The BB's beat up Bryan and Miz rode in for the win. Miz - Summerslam shenanigans with the brass knucks. Shelton Benjamin - Shenanigans as Miz distracted Bryan. AJ Styles - Clean. Bryan tapped out a few weeks ago. That's a pretty good record. Either way we gotta say it. Bryan isn't an underdog anymore. If you call Daniel Bryan an underdog then all these other people Bryan's beaten must be the ground because I don't know what else you want.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Nov 14, 2018 18:30:32 GMT -5
Off topic but man oh man that Big Cass picture is sad.
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Post by Chiral on Nov 14, 2018 18:33:36 GMT -5
They called Cena underdog and still gave him like 10 years at the top so I could have stood for like just a bit more Bryan as an "underdog" face tbh. If he just had one good world title run as a face I don't think it'd be an issue but his one big BIG face world title run basically had just a Kane title defense and that's it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 14, 2018 18:35:17 GMT -5
I don't think it's a matter of him being an underdog; it's more a matter of people wanting to see that definitive "he's back!" moment, and seeing him knock off a heel champion Miz on a stage like WM being the type of scenario most bookers would dream of having to draw from. He wouldn't have to be booked like an underdog to do that, except insofar as you'd have to book him to win the Rumble (anyone who wins from a number that isn't in the 20s is kind of an underdog) and Miz would undoubtedly try like hell to cheat and dodge him.
Basically, I think people wanted less underdog Bryan and more righteous babyface finally ending a longstanding feud Bryan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 18:37:22 GMT -5
Off topic but man oh man that Big Cass picture is sad. From to to what you see in the pic
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 14, 2018 18:39:51 GMT -5
I don't think it's a matter of him being an underdog; it's more a matter of people wanting to see that definitive "he's back!" moment, and seeing him knock off a heel champion Miz on a stage like WM being the type of scenario most bookers would dream of having to draw from. He wouldn't have to be booked like an underdog to do that, except insofar as you'd have to book him to win the Rumble (anyone who wins from a number that isn't in the 20s is kind of an underdog) and Miz would undoubtedly try like hell to cheat and dodge him. Basically, I think people wanted less underdog Bryan and more righteous babyface finally ending a longstanding feud Bryan. Him vs Miz will still have a conclusion later. It's not like he's gonna be a heel for the rest of his career.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 14, 2018 18:41:13 GMT -5
They called Cena underdog and still gave him like 10 years at the top so I could have stood for like just a bit more Bryan as an "underdog" face tbh. If he just had one good world title run as a face I don't think it'd be an issue but his one big BIG face world title run basically had just a Kane title defense and that's it. It was a chore for Cena to be a face at the top for that long. Why would we want that for a guy who's actually popular with this particular fanbase? It would kill his fandom dead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 18:42:15 GMT -5
Off topic but man oh man that Big Cass picture is sad. From to to what you see in the pic Don't want to take this off topic, so this is all I'll say. Dude could just be lazy for all I know, but I have to wonder how much of a factor depression has had in him letting himself go like that. Someone here (forgot who, sorry!) said he and Cass have a mutual friend or something and dude wasn't in the best state of mind while he was still in WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 18:42:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's a matter of him being an underdog; it's more a matter of people wanting to see that definitive "he's back!" moment, and seeing him knock off a heel champion Miz on a stage like WM being the type of scenario most bookers would dream of having to draw from. He wouldn't have to be booked like an underdog to do that, except insofar as you'd have to book him to win the Rumble (anyone who wins from a number that isn't in the 20s is kind of an underdog) and Miz would undoubtedly try like hell to cheat and dodge him. Basically, I think people wanted less underdog Bryan and more righteous babyface finally ending a longstanding feud Bryan. I've got no problem with people wanting to see a "he's back" moment. I just don't like the whole underdog thing that they attach to Bryan with every title he goes after and honestly most of his feuds as a face turn into that. It would be a different story if it was "veteran Bryan" who knows who he was and just wanted to get the title because he's the best and you can't stop him but this company has an issue with him always being the underdog. It would be different if it was "crafty technical clever" Bryan being the one always outsmarting the heels and beating the guys because he's built up a repertoire that makes him unstoppable similar to a Peter Parker. Yeah he can smile and have fun but when he's against enemies he's not considered an underdog, he's just that dude.
The Miz storyline itself pretty much had Miz and Bryan both saying multiple times that Miz was better than Bryan presenting Bryan as an underdog which is the issue. They need to switch from him being an underdog as a face to a legit asskicker that he's been built up to be because this underdog thing is played out.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 14, 2018 18:43:44 GMT -5
It is pretty amazing that Bryan's come back, he's now world champion again, and I don't really give a f***. I was excited about his return earlier this year; but from the strangely booked Mania match, and everything else they've bungled up, I just don't care anymore.
Maybe it's just a SmackDown thing. RAW is a dumb show. Real dumb. But I tend to stop caring about a lot more guys who end up on SmackDown than compared to RAW. It's become such a badly conceived show. Quick, now someone get me a Goldust and/or Road Dogg tweet to explain why I'm such an idjit for thinking this way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 18:44:18 GMT -5
Don't want to take this off topic, so this is all I'll say. Dude could just be lazy for all I know, but I have to wonder how much of a factor depression has had in him letting himself go like that. Someone here (forgot who, sorry!) said he and Cass have a mutual friend or something and dude wasn't in the best state of mind while he was still in WWE.
That's sad.
I wasn't the biggest fan of Cass's work but I felt he had something to at least be a competent midcarder.
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Post by Chiral on Nov 14, 2018 18:45:14 GMT -5
They called Cena underdog and still gave him like 10 years at the top so I could have stood for like just a bit more Bryan as an "underdog" face tbh. If he just had one good world title run as a face I don't think it'd be an issue but his one big BIG face world title run basically had just a Kane title defense and that's it. It was a chore for Cena to be a face at the top for that long. Why would we want that for a guy who's actually popular with this particular fanbase? It would kill his fandom dead. I said "just a bit more" cuz of that, I don't want any 10 year The Guy guys anymore. I just want one damn solid Bryan face world title run :/
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 14, 2018 18:47:40 GMT -5
Bryan stopped being an underdog when he joined the feds and shook that jabroni Shane's hand to be Smackdown GM. He abused his power, tried to screw over the greatest IC champion ever multiple times, and clearly lost his mind from all those tofu burgers.
Then, he got cleared to come back. He has his match at Mania, wins, gets to flex for the hoes, all is well. BUT. Did you hear what he said to Shane while they were celebrating? I sure did. He said exactly, "Get out of my ring, you piece of shit." Bryan was done playing nice.
Anyway, he tries to get his world tile back from a guy who basically ate his breadcrumbs (AJ Styles) only to be confronted by some greenhorn. The f***? You wanna step to The Dragon? The GOAT? The one who probaly f***ed your mama last night? Nah, Bryan wasn't playing that. He humbled that jabroni and before you know it, he was outta there. Bryan didn't have to do all that but he WANTED to. He wanted to let folks know that he wasn't bullshitting.
Oh shoot, here comes his old beef with Miz. Like a vailiant hero, Miz overcame Bryan multiple times before the coward pulled a win out over a jet-lagged Miz. Bryan didn't want no more smoke with this generation's Johnny Cage so he decided to go for the world title again.
What we saw Tuesday was a bitter, jealous man's ambition finally coming to the surface.
Bryan ain't playing no more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 18:48:17 GMT -5
It was a chore for Cena to be a face at the top for that long. Why would we want that for a guy who's actually popular with this particular fanbase? It would kill his fandom dead. I said "just a bit more" cuz of that, I don't want any 10 year The Guy guys anymore. I just want one damn solid Bryan face world title run :/ I actually really like the Bryan heel turn and am looking forward to seeing how it goes, but I also understand why people want to see him get a proper World Title run as a face. Didn't he have to vacate it a month or two after winning it at WM Val Venis?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 18:52:37 GMT -5
Bryan stopped being an underdog when he joined the feds and shook that jabroni Shane's hand to be Smackdown GM. He abused his power, tried to screw over the greatest IC champion ever multiple times, and clearly lost his mind from all those tofu burgers. Then, he got cleared to come back. He has his match at Mania, wins, gets to flex for the hoes, all is well. BUT. Did you hear what he said to Shane while they were celebrating? I sure did. He said exactly, "Get out of my ring, you piece of shit." Bryan was done playing nice. Anyway, he tries to get his world tile back from a guy who basically ate his breadcrumbs (AJ Styles) only to be confronted by some greenhorn. The f***? You wanna step to The Dragon? The GOAT? The one who probaly f***ed your mama last night? Nah, Bryan wasn't playing that. He humbled that jabroni and before you know it, he was outta there. Bryan didn't have to do all that but he WANTED to. He wanted to let folks know that he wasn't bullshitting. Oh shoot, here comes his old beef with Miz. Like a vailiant hero, Miz overcame Bryan multiple times before the coward pulled a win out over a jet-lagged Miz. Bryan didn't want no more smoke with this generation's Johnny Cage so he decided to go for the world title again. What we saw Tuesday was a bitter, jealous man's ambition finally coming to the surface. Bryan ain't playing no more.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 14, 2018 19:08:44 GMT -5
I don't think it's a matter of him being an underdog; it's more a matter of people wanting to see that definitive "he's back!" moment, and seeing him knock off a heel champion Miz on a stage like WM being the type of scenario most bookers would dream of having to draw from. He wouldn't have to be booked like an underdog to do that, except insofar as you'd have to book him to win the Rumble (anyone who wins from a number that isn't in the 20s is kind of an underdog) and Miz would undoubtedly try like hell to cheat and dodge him. Basically, I think people wanted less underdog Bryan and more righteous babyface finally ending a longstanding feud Bryan. Without a doubt this is what I wanted. But, with Bryan's overness diminishing, a heel turn and eventually return to being a babyface is going to heat him right back up. Short term pain for long term gain.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 14, 2018 19:16:18 GMT -5
I don't think it's a matter of him being an underdog; it's more a matter of people wanting to see that definitive "he's back!" moment, and seeing him knock off a heel champion Miz on a stage like WM being the type of scenario most bookers would dream of having to draw from. He wouldn't have to be booked like an underdog to do that, except insofar as you'd have to book him to win the Rumble (anyone who wins from a number that isn't in the 20s is kind of an underdog) and Miz would undoubtedly try like hell to cheat and dodge him. Basically, I think people wanted less underdog Bryan and more righteous babyface finally ending a longstanding feud Bryan. Him vs Miz will still have a conclusion later. It's not like he's gonna be a heel for the rest of his career. It very well might, but I could see the argument that this would've been the time to pull the trigger on it; it's hard to imagine how they'd manage to build that rivalry up more than it already has been, since it's not so much a competitive rivalry as it is a clear "talented face vs. sneaky heel" dynamic, and it's already got nearly a decade of backstory to it, and Miz was getting over as a heel with enough people recently that this might've felt like the right time to strap him up and set up their biggest showdown. I mean, yes, it may very well happen in the future, but a big issue with WWE is how frequently they delay storyline gratification for the audience, so I just get the feeling of "here we go again".
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 14, 2018 21:22:27 GMT -5
Once you beat The game HHH on the Grandest Stage Of Them All you can never be an underdog anymore
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 22:24:59 GMT -5
You’re right. But due to his size and I guess moveset, he’s always gonna be portrayed as an underdog unfortunately.
It’s a bit like Rey Mysterio. Rey held the world title three times and yet they still bang on about how he’s the underdog lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 0:33:54 GMT -5
You’re right. But due to his size and I guess moveset, he’s always gonna be portrayed as an underdog unfortunately.
It’s a bit like Rey Mysterio. Rey held the world title three times and yet they still bang on about how he’s the underdog lol. That's what sucks really. Anytime Bryan's a face he'll be presented like an underdog. This company's not smart enough to make a smaller guy like Bryan not be an underdog because Vince is so old school and he cares more about physique than anything. It's easy tho. I mean NXT does it very well.
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