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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 18, 2018 19:20:09 GMT -5
101,000 viewers for their last episode. They've been around almost 17 years. This isn't a business, it's an expensive hobby Oh that’s when Dixie owned it, I don’t understand why it’s still in business.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 18, 2018 21:12:52 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, right now TNA/Impact is using their talent pool the best they have ever used it in their existence. The problem is their talent pool is also the shallowest it's ever been in their existence. If they had their 2008 roster (as well as the financial resources they had back then) and used them as well as they're using their 2018 roster, then we'd be seeing some really amazing television right now. Unfortunately they don't, so the best we can hope for is "competently mediocre".
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 18, 2018 22:04:08 GMT -5
Because they look second rate, just like when Vince started doing Billionaire Ted, everybody went to wcw. Fans watch how bootlegged they are, and then they would just rather watch the real shit. And for years, people shat on TNA for...trying to be WWE.
This is a no-win scenario for this company.
I disagree, there was a time where they had their own identity, yes some ex wwe guys came on board but they helped to elevate the tna guys. The problem came when the mentality changed and if you weren’t a former wwe guy you just didn’t matter. Booker T got a belt just because. RVD was elevated at the cost of AJ Styles and he didn’t even had a full time schedule. Jeff Hardy got a megapush and repaid tna by wrestling high as f***. Alberto won the belt just because. Damien Sandow got a belt for his second f***ing match. Cody Rhodes immediately got a push.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 18, 2018 22:47:34 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, right now TNA/Impact is using their talent pool the best they have ever used it in their existence. The problem is their talent pool is also the shallowest it's ever been in their existence. If they had their 2008 roster (as well as the financial resources they had back then) and used them as well as they're using their 2018 roster, then we'd be seeing some really amazing television right now. Unfortunately they don't, so the best we can hope for is "competently mediocre". The problem is that it's a mix of them not being able to afford anybody cause if lack of money generated from TV(which they used to have on Spike) but also I think NXT hurts them a lot. In a deep talent pool, When in the past interesting talent that may not be looked at by the WWE cause they did not fit or whatever, some guys would end up in TNA cause the WWE could not take them all. While now they can go to NXT or the performance center or whatever. And HHH has a different mindset than vince and he likes the Indy guys that have not being created by the WWE. Also in the past TNA had an open door policy and you saw so many guys pass by TNA, guys like Ambrose even, I mean at one point everybody went to TNA, it's not like that anymore. I have the feeling for example if it had been the company from the past, someone like Adam Cole would have ended up with Impact. And it would have given the product much need energy and people would have talked about it. But instead he did that to NXT. And yea people that used to go to the Impact Zone now go to NXT shows. As for the board not being active, the company is like in a semi-dead limbo. We'll see what happens when they get a better TV deal and money start pouring in. If not, it will get worse.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 18, 2018 23:30:28 GMT -5
TNA died. What's left is the scraps, and most of it is just not really worth heaping praise on or making fun of, it's just kinda vaguely competent.
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Post by ayumidah on Nov 19, 2018 2:17:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't even watch it anymore. It's still on the DVR schedule but I just kinda fast forward through unless something really seems interesting. I still get people on my twitter timeline gushing about it and I just shrug because when I think of great wrestling, it sure ain't that.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 19, 2018 10:01:08 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, right now TNA/Impact is using their talent pool the best they have ever used it in their existence. The problem is their talent pool is also the shallowest it's ever been in their existence. If they had their 2008 roster (as well as the financial resources they had back then) and used them as well as they're using their 2018 roster, then we'd be seeing some really amazing television right now. Unfortunately they don't, so the best we can hope for is "competently mediocre". Even then, they have forgotten that you need likable faces, and at the moment, they don't seem to have any apart from Fallah Bahh. And they are still misusing some of their biggest talents. At the moment, you have Eddie Edwards, a brilliant technical wrestler, in a brawling gimmick in which he simply cannot make work and as that gimmick is also "psychopath that has tried to murder Sami Callihan and chewed out Tommy Dreamer for stopping him", it's impossible to cheer for.
You also have Eli Drake in this storyline about ending hardcore wrestling, which is a waste of Drake and as its more or less a worked shoot storyline, it also undercuts the other LU style angles on the show. Such as the Undead Realm, which has tied up all of the knockouts division except for Katrina, Tessa and Taya.
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Post by markymark on Nov 19, 2018 10:42:44 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, right now TNA/Impact is using their talent pool the best they have ever used it in their existence. The problem is their talent pool is also the shallowest it's ever been in their existence. If they had their 2008 roster (as well as the financial resources they had back then) and used them as well as they're using their 2018 roster, then we'd be seeing some really amazing television right now. Unfortunately they don't, so the best we can hope for is "competently mediocre". Even then, they have forgotten that you need likable faces, and at the moment, they don't seem to have any apart from Fallah Bahh. And they are still misusing some of their biggest talents. At the moment, you have Eddie Edwards, a brilliant technical wrestler, in a brawling gimmick in which he simply cannot make work and as that gimmick is also "psychopath that has tried to murder Sami Callihan and chewed out Tommy Dreamer for stopping him", it's impossible to cheer for.
You also have Eli Drake in this storyline about ending hardcore wrestling, which is a waste of Drake and as its more or less a worked shoot storyline, it also undercuts the other LU style angles on the show. Such as the Undead Realm, which has tied up all of the knockouts division except for Katrina, Tessa and Taya.
Just checked Impact Youtube account and that was the most watched vid of Last weeks show. Also that stuff is Allie and Rosemary idea(If u check their Masters of the Universe show, u will understand it more)
Idk about Drake being a face, there is the risk he becomes like EC3 or Aries, he deserver a better storyline though.
As for Eddie, Im just waiting for Davey to return so he moves back to the tag team division. They tried to push him when he was vanilla babyface and he was a failure, now they give him a character and doesnt work as well, they refused to turn him heel at Slammiversary which was a big mistake.
Penta and Fenix should be in the world title picture but they are in the tag team division due to lack of depth. For next year try to get Flamita and Bandito so the Lucha Bros focus on the World Title.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 11:11:28 GMT -5
Just being reminded that Impact has Penta and Fenix slumming it in the damn tag division drives me mad , and this is what is gonna hurt IMO the best 2 luchadors going today is that every other place they wrestle...with the lone exception of LU they are just the lucha bros and nothing else to them...just bros to each other no other trait to their "characters".
Seriously Impact try something else with them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 11:41:52 GMT -5
Still better than the WWE section by a country mile.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 19, 2018 12:21:33 GMT -5
I liked TNA more when they were stupidly bad instead of depressingly bad. The show's much better now, but a lot of people stopped watching it because of the channel moves.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 19, 2018 15:02:45 GMT -5
I watched Bound For Glory. It was okay. There were some good matches. There was also a lot of typical TNA weirdness, and that live thread was pretty fun for it, but it wasn''t enough to sustain anything long-term. I didn't leave that show wanting to watch it every week. And I think that's the case for a lot of people; it's at its best a perfectly fine wrestling show surrounded by a million other perfectly fine wrestling shows. But where other shows have identities and ideas and consistency, TNA is trying to do several things at once, and in one case try to be a hollow shell of the most interesting wrestling show going right now. I don't want to watch Lucha Underbudget when the real thing is right there.
They're taking out of a pool of wrestlers who are all over the scene right now. And that's fine, they should be aiming for that kind of arrangement instead of for locking people down to exclusive contracts where they control the wrestlers and act as their booking agents. That's a good thing. But it means you have to offer a product that does something with those talents that I'm not already seeing but better somewhere else. And that's just not the case, in all honesty. It's not a product that's good enough to sustain more than a tiny pocket following of people to whom it just clicks really well. That's the fate TNA has, and I don't think their PPVs have been strong enough to convince lots of people to go in on it when there are so many options and wrestling is so much more accessible now.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 19, 2018 16:02:34 GMT -5
Also there’s nothing really to talk about or create threads here.
TNA became such an embarrassment that there were new embarrassments on a weekly basis.
I mean in one week they lost their office and had to downgrade into the basement, a couple of days later they got evicted from the basement and had to move to a warehouse. Finally we discovered that the warehouse was next to a junkyard.
Then we find out about the production people were being terrorized by the Harris. Then that the neo Nazis were trying to own tna.
There are no more loltna moments like that. They’re just your regular indy with a so so wrestling product. I mean New Japan has better wrestlers, ROH too, but for some reason they don’t warrant their own boards.
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 19, 2018 16:26:56 GMT -5
I miss it, too. Even with so many LOLTNA moments throughout its life, it was still a company that was building ratings and attention. It still mattered.
Since the Spike cancellation, since the end of 2014, it's just been a long slide downwards. I do agree that they're actually handling their current shows and talent fairly well, it's just that the company has lost so much that it doesn't really matter anymore.
They had their shot, didn't make the most of it, and now it's basically a rather routine indy fed with a tv deal. Sometimes the matches are good, sometimes they aren't, it'll be a good test bed for some talents but the show itself is never going to get up that cliff again.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 20, 2018 4:05:01 GMT -5
I enjoy Impact. And try to watch it each week. For ME it it way more entertaining than WWE has been in at least 10 years.
Plus it is 2 hours a week. I rather watch 2 hours a week of average to good wrestling than 5 hours of the horsecrap WWE produces.
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Post by r. on Nov 20, 2018 18:43:45 GMT -5
I'll hit a recap on YT from time to time.
It's hard to get invested in something that'll likely change its time slot and channel bi-monthly.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 20, 2018 22:46:06 GMT -5
You want more threads and activity? Unfortunately wait for the horrible part two of the Eddie Edwards and Tommy Dreamer saga.
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Post by markymark on Nov 22, 2018 21:33:36 GMT -5
Speaking of more activity maybe if they get better TV deal and timeslot.
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Post by Optimax on Nov 23, 2018 0:54:04 GMT -5
Yo, TNA will never die. I mean that's all they do is think about dyin'. They wish they die, they hope theh die. The only problem is, They ain't never ever ever gonna die mother f***er
Only TNA could so perfectly fit lyrics from an ICP song
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Post by hargh on Nov 23, 2018 10:57:15 GMT -5
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