Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 6, 2018 18:08:57 GMT -5
This almost seems like a tax shelter or money laundering scheme of some sort. There almost has to be some reason to burn this much cash on what's guaranteed to fail. I don't think so. As much as I get the feeling a not-insignificant number of people want there to be something that proves Vince is a Criminal once and for all, I think this is just his gigantic ego being unable to let go. Especially after Ebersol's son beat him to the punch after the XFL documentary.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 6, 2018 20:03:29 GMT -5
This almost seems like a tax shelter or money laundering scheme of some sort. There almost has to be some reason to burn this much cash on what's guaranteed to fail. I don't think so. As much as I get the feeling a not-insignificant number of people want there to be something that proves Vince is a Criminal once and for all, I think this is just his gigantic ego being unable to let go. Especially after Ebersol's son beat him to the punch after the XFL documentary. There has been demand for spring football. But two leagues? One dies quickly the other maybe makes it a few seasons
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 7, 2018 3:38:27 GMT -5
Orlando had the Breakers for a while. Now that was a team that was going places. They even had a charismatic coach. Keyshawn shouldn't have turned them down. 😁 The owner was a little strange, but they did win 2 Super Bowls thanks to their former Special Teams coach.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Jan 7, 2019 12:56:40 GMT -5
I read a few things about the XFL in St. Louis.
-They are going to be paying 4 times what the Rams paid to lease the Dome.
-They aren't going to receive any concession revenue until they draw 200,000 fans.
-The XFL is paying for all of the security and police.
I don't know if this is the same for the other cities but this is a big financial commitment from Vince to St. Louis.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 7, 2019 17:02:03 GMT -5
I read a few things about the XFL in St. Louis. -They are going to be paying 4 times what the Rams paid to lease the Dome. -They aren't going to receive any concession revenue until they draw 200,000 fans. -The XFL is paying for all of the security and police. I don't know if this is the same for the other cities but this is a big financial commitment from Vince to St. Louis. And doesn’t Kronke own that stadium? Or not anymore since the Rams moved?
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Post by MiLB Fan on Jan 7, 2019 17:26:08 GMT -5
I read a few things about the XFL in St. Louis. -They are going to be paying 4 times what the Rams paid to lease the Dome. -They aren't going to receive any concession revenue until they draw 200,000 fans. -The XFL is paying for all of the security and police. I don't know if this is the same for the other cities but this is a big financial commitment from Vince to St. Louis. And doesn’t Kronke own that stadium? Or not anymore since the Rams moved? I don’t think he ever owned the building, just the team. Typically the physical stadiums are the property of the city, since nine times out of ten they’re built with taxpayer money. For instance, my town’s sports facilities are owned by the Sports and Exhibition Authority and the teams sign long-term leases to use them.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 7, 2019 17:40:22 GMT -5
And doesn’t Kronke own that stadium? Or not anymore since the Rams moved? I don’t think he ever owned the building, just the team. Typically the physical stadiums are the property of the city, since nine times out of ten they’re built with taxpayer money. For instance, my town’s sports facilities are owned by the Sports and Exhibition Authority and the teams sign long-term leases to use them. The Dome never had team ownership. They had I believe a 30 year lease from when the team moved in. Stan only brought the team and even before the lease was up already brought the land his new stadium is being built on, which is only the start of the fishy business that took place on the move back to LA. The dome itself is STILL being paid for by tax payers. The Dome itself isn't paid off until 2021 I think. In St. Louis the only major sports venue that is owned by the team is Busch Stadium. Stan will own the new LA stadium since he paying for that. I admit the XFL investing a lot for St. Louis which is more than the Rams ever did.
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Post by sfvega on Jan 7, 2019 19:06:03 GMT -5
I don’t think he ever owned the building, just the team. Typically the physical stadiums are the property of the city, since nine times out of ten they’re built with taxpayer money. For instance, my town’s sports facilities are owned by the Sports and Exhibition Authority and the teams sign long-term leases to use them. The Dome never had team ownership. They had I believe a 30 year lease from when the team moved in. Stan only brought the team and even before the lease was up already brought the land his new stadium is being built on, which is only the start of the fishy business that took place on the move back to LA. The dome itself is STILL being paid for by tax payers. The Dome itself isn't paid off until 2021 I think. In St. Louis the only major sports venue that is owned by the team is Busch Stadium. Stan will own the new LA stadium since he paying for that. I admit the XFL investing a lot for St. Louis which is more than the Rams ever did. Which is really sad for a stadium that was built in the mid-90s, was outdated maybe a couple years after that (if not immediately), and doesn't home an NFL team. Not gonna lie though, sweetheart deal from Vince.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jan 7, 2019 19:33:58 GMT -5
The Dome never had team ownership. They had I believe a 30 year lease from when the team moved in. Stan only brought the team and even before the lease was up already brought the land his new stadium is being built on, which is only the start of the fishy business that took place on the move back to LA. The dome itself is STILL being paid for by tax payers. The Dome itself isn't paid off until 2021 I think. In St. Louis the only major sports venue that is owned by the team is Busch Stadium. Stan will own the new LA stadium since he paying for that. I admit the XFL investing a lot for St. Louis which is more than the Rams ever did. Which is really sad for a stadium that was built in the mid-90s, was outdated maybe a couple years after that (if not immediately), and doesn't home an NFL team. Not gonna lie though, sweetheart deal from Vince. I'm pretty sure it was a hasty build to draw a new team, which resulted in it being outdated on terms of domes by 2002 when Ford Field and the other retractable stadiums were built. By 2008 it really looked outdated and towards the end I called it the Edward Jones Warehouse because it no longer resembled an NFL Stadium but rather just a warehouse that happens to field a sports team.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 7, 2019 20:01:25 GMT -5
Wait, The Dome was built in the mid 90's? AND with taxpayer money?
If I lived in St. Louis, I'd be demanding a refund. That's one hideous stadium.
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Post by sfvega on Jan 8, 2019 0:42:52 GMT -5
Wait, The Dome was built in the mid 90's? AND with taxpayer money? If I lived in St. Louis, I'd be demanding a refund. That's one hideous stadium. It was basic af when it opened, and has aged horribly anytime between 1995 and now. Heinz Field and Mile High opened less than 6 years after. Granted, they aren't domes. But the design and amenities are worlds apart. It's like comparing a skyscraper to a Super Walmart.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 8, 2019 10:13:11 GMT -5
Wait, The Dome was built in the mid 90's? AND with taxpayer money? If I lived in St. Louis, I'd be demanding a refund. That's one hideous stadium. Yeah the Dome was built in 95 when the Rams moved here. However what I will say the Dome was poorly designed for how quick it became outdated. Other places have been around longer and still didn't look that outdated. I mean look at Arrowhead Stadium, yes it head upgrades but still 1972 it was built with a mid 2000 upgrade.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 8, 2019 14:56:11 GMT -5
Wait, The Dome was built in the mid 90's? AND with taxpayer money? If I lived in St. Louis, I'd be demanding a refund. That's one hideous stadium. It looked on TV like they used an old Walmart and painted it.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 6, 2019 22:06:39 GMT -5
I'm hearing that the Dallas XFL franchise will have Bob Stoops as it's head coach and GM
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 7, 2019 11:19:46 GMT -5
I'm hearing that the Dallas XFL franchise will have Bob Stoops as it's head coach and GM Yup, Yahoo front paged it now. That is a big deal with his success in OK. It looking like much like the AAF are getting coaches with experience and success in football. The on field product is what I am interested in seeing because if it is good football the league will last, if it anything like the first XFL is won't be around. The AAF starts this weekend, and it would be wise to take notices and whatever doesn't work for them, change in the XFL. The AAF had the advantage on players picked but the rules and ext. what works and what doesn't the XFL can note them.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 7, 2019 14:19:38 GMT -5
It's big name value, but as we've seen with Steve Spurrier, Chip Kelly, and Nick Saban, being a great college coach is not a guarantee at all with being a great pro football coach with grown ass men whose careers aren't held hostage by a corrupt collegiate system.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 7, 2019 16:18:10 GMT -5
I'm hearing that the Dallas XFL franchise will have Bob Stoops as it's head coach and GM So they’ll usually win against good franchises, then get steamrolled by a terrible team and end up perpetually finishing like, fourth place.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Feb 7, 2019 16:30:02 GMT -5
I'm hearing that the Dallas XFL franchise will have Bob Stoops as it's head coach and GM So they’ll usually win against good franchises, then get steamrolled by a terrible team and end up perpetually finishing like, fourth place. More like he'll win his Division every year and then come up short in the playoffs with some weird wtf loss along the way.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 7, 2019 16:32:41 GMT -5
I just noticed that they'll have a team in LA.
Why? There's now 2 NFL teams in LA, neither one of which has a fanatic fanbase, even with the Rams making the Super Bowl. Why not go make a deal with SD, or with any other SoCal city with a football stadium? I guess it's due to the AAF having a team in SD, but it still feels like you should go to cities with a decent sized fanbase that are hungry for football. LA was being chased by the NFL not because there were rabid fans clamoring for football again, but because developers were hungry to develop stadiums and because the NFL sees LA as a big money mark. The XFL trying to establish a team in LA feels like it's another hole they'll be throwing money into, because they're going to have to pay through the nose to rent any stadium in the city, and aren't going to have a lot of income from fans to make up that amount.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 7, 2019 16:44:14 GMT -5
It's big name value, but as we've seen with Steve Spurrier, Chip Kelly, and Nick Saban, being a great college coach is not a guarantee at all with being a great pro football coach with grown ass men whose careers aren't held hostage by a corrupt collegiate system. I get what you are saying, but the XFL is probably going to be made up of free agents and cast offs. They might be more "coachable" since they will be making thousands more likely than millions.
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