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Post by eJm on Aug 17, 2021 23:35:34 GMT -5
No, silly people, it’s an “interesting experiment”. Bob Chapek said that and he’s the head of Disney! He wouldn’t lie to us! the experiment I thought was the 45 days before appearing on Disney+ specifically not releasing it into theaters while people still aren't going to theaters... No, that’s the old new experiment. This is the new old experiment. Completely different!
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Post by chrom on Aug 18, 2021 8:59:31 GMT -5
No confirmation yet, but apparently the post-credit scene either teases or straight up features {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Iron Fist and The Hand. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I wouldn't mind that.
Iron Fist got a raw deal due to having a bad director its first season and getting rid of him vastly improved it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 18, 2021 10:07:24 GMT -5
Feel like this movie's been put in a very unfortunate position by Disney by only being put out in theaters. Given the current circumstances it'd be miraculous if it isn't the lowest grossing MCU movie (other than maybe Incredible Hulk and even then that's going to be a big hill to climb under the circumstances) and that's just going to be fodder for all the usual, "Get woke go broke!" morons. Making Shang Chi theaters-only while Delta is running wild almost makes it come off like they're setting it up to fail. If Shang Chi does struggle, that’ll be a bigger reason than the “anti-woke” crowd. There aren’t enough of them to affect it’s bottom line, I mean they didn’t exactly prevent Captain Marvel from being a success as much as they took issue with that film.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 18, 2021 10:25:34 GMT -5
Making Shang Chi theaters-only while Delta is running wild almost makes it come off like they're setting it up to fail. If Shang Chi does struggle, that’ll be a bigger reason than the “anti-woke” crowd. There aren’t enough of them to affect it’s bottom line, I mean they didn’t exactly prevent Captain Marvel from being a success as much as they took issue with that film. Aye, the anti-woke crowd don't affect bottom lines. If they did, companies would pander to them more, but the market data has shown time and time again that "getting woke" is extremely profitable. Sure, in a lot of cases "getting woke" is less about actually holding progressive values and more about exploiting new profit avenues, but whatever the motivation the "get woke, go broke" mantra has been thoroughly debunked at this point.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 18, 2021 12:09:20 GMT -5
If Shang Chi does struggle, that’ll be a bigger reason than the “anti-woke” crowd. There aren’t enough of them to affect it’s bottom line, I mean they didn’t exactly prevent Captain Marvel from being a success as much as they took issue with that film. Aye, the anti-woke crowd don't affect bottom lines. If they did, companies would pander to them more, but the market data has shown time and time again that "getting woke" is extremely profitable. Sure, in a lot of cases "getting woke" is less about actually holding progressive values and more about exploiting new profit avenues, but whatever the motivation the "get woke, go broke" mantra has been thoroughly debunked at this point. Yeah, normally when people complain about “agendas” they’re exposing their own issues and hangups. I will admit, that doesn’t mean I need every single story to be heavy handed and I don’t like how some creators only hyper-focus on diverse characters in a depressing struggle (looking at you, Lena Waithe). But Marvel isn’t doing that here with stuff like Ms Marvel, Chavez, Shang Chi or Black Panther, it’s just them listening to their audience and making fun stuff with more inclusive faces.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 18, 2021 12:14:13 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly, Simu Liu didn't appreciate Bob Chapek's words about the movie being an "experiment" too much.
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Post by Fade on Aug 18, 2021 13:02:23 GMT -5
Making Shang Chi theaters-only while Delta is running wild almost makes it come off like they're setting it up to fail. Or maybe they just don't want to repeat what they did that pissed off Scarlett Johannsen and Kevin Feige. I doubt Disney intentionally wants one of their movies to fail, especially one that has the potential to be "Asian Black Panther" as far as cultural perception goes. Yeah, that does make sense. Its thinking about the bottom-dollar which is directive numero uno for Disney but either way, this whole delta-streaming-contract ish has really bitten them in the ass. I have no doubt had none of this happened, BW, this, etc would be making all of teh moniez but either way..tough, tough situation for them, financially speaking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 13:10:12 GMT -5
Or maybe they just don't want to repeat what they did that pissed off Scarlett Johannsen and Kevin Feige. I doubt Disney intentionally wants one of their movies to fail, especially one that has the potential to be "Asian Black Panther" as far as cultural perception goes. Yeah, that does make sense. Its thinking about the bottom-dollar which is directive numero uno for Disney but either way, this whole delta-streaming-contract ish has really bitten them in the ass. I have no doubt had none of this happened, BW, this, etc would be making all of teh moniez but either way..tough, tough situation for them, financially speaking. Absolutely, but I just want to add that Covid f***ed up literally everything for everybody.
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Post by chrom on Aug 18, 2021 13:25:09 GMT -5
Yeah, that does make sense. Its thinking about the bottom-dollar which is directive numero uno for Disney but either way, this whole delta-streaming-contract ish has really bitten them in the ass. I have no doubt had none of this happened, BW, this, etc would be making all of teh moniez but either way..tough, tough situation for them, financially speaking. Absolutely, but I just want to add that Covid f***ed up literally everything for everybody. Agreed, those saying that comic book movies are dead now because SS didn't do 30M its first week forget that Black Widow did 100M at the box office and restrictions are in place
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Post by chrom on Aug 18, 2021 14:30:21 GMT -5
It's poised for about 35-55 million domestically its opening weekend, which is about what Ant Man got.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 18, 2021 14:32:54 GMT -5
Making Shang Chi theaters-only while Delta is running wild almost makes it come off like they're setting it up to fail. If Shang Chi does struggle, that’ll be a bigger reason than the “anti-woke” crowd. There aren’t enough of them to affect it’s bottom line, I mean they didn’t exactly prevent Captain Marvel from being a success as much as they took issue with that film. Oh, I know they'd make no difference, but it gives them ammunition to make their f***ing stupid arguments and that alone annoys me.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 18, 2021 14:37:44 GMT -5
If Shang Chi does struggle, that’ll be a bigger reason than the “anti-woke” crowd. There aren’t enough of them to affect it’s bottom line, I mean they didn’t exactly prevent Captain Marvel from being a success as much as they took issue with that film. Oh, I know they'd make no difference, but it gives them ammunition to make their f***ing stupid arguments and that alone annoys me. I mean... it's not like they need any. They'll just make up any 'evidence' they need. look at how they still act like Captain Marvel making over a billion dollars still somehow means it was a failure...
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Post by thechase on Aug 18, 2021 14:49:42 GMT -5
Oh, I know they'd make no difference, but it gives them ammunition to make their f***ing stupid arguments and that alone annoys me. I mean... it's not like they need any. They'll just make up any 'evidence' they need. look at how they still act like Captain Marvel making over a billion dollars still somehow means it was a failure... Captain Marvel was arguably only riding high on that figure because it was the lead-in to Endgame and nothing else. Once the hype machine died down and after people saw Endgame, that movie's standing in everyone's minds fell drastically. It would not have made the same amount if it had came out after Endgame. I mean, it's pretty obvious from the fact the sequel movie was rechristened "The Marvels" and Brie will find herself co-starring alongside the Marvel everyone actually LIKES from Wandavision (Monica) and the likeable other Marvel due her own show soon (Kamala) that there's no real faith in a direct CM sequel making the same kind of bank as the first one.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 18, 2021 15:31:31 GMT -5
I mean... it's not like they need any. They'll just make up any 'evidence' they need. look at how they still act like Captain Marvel making over a billion dollars still somehow means it was a failure... Captain Marvel was arguably only riding high on that figure because it was the lead-in to Endgame and nothing else. Once the hype machine died down and after people saw Endgame, that movie's standing in everyone's minds fell drastically. It would not have made the same amount if it had came out after Endgame. if that was the case Ant-man and the Wasp would have made a lot more as it was even closer connected to Infinity War/End Game... but it didn't.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 18, 2021 16:17:24 GMT -5
I mean, it's pretty obvious from the fact the sequel movie was rechristened "The Marvels" and Brie will find herself co-starring alongside the Marvel everyone actually LIKES from Wandavision (Monica) and the likeable other Marvel due her own show soon (Kamala) that there's no real faith in a direct CM sequel making the same kind of bank as the first one. Larsen herself openly pitched Kamala being in the sequel six months before Ms Marvel was given the green light. comicbook.com/marvel/news/captain-marvels-brie-larson-wants-ms-marvel-sequel/Monica being involved was pretty much a given, too, since she was set up in the first movie for involvement in the present day. I would agree that there's probably not a great likelihood of the sequel making the same kind of money as the first, because Infinity War and Endgame hype definitely played a factor. That being said, it had enough legs at the box office to dispel the notion that it rode that hype train completely. Were that the case it would've sank like a stone in the second week once word got out it had very little to do with Endgame.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 17:22:41 GMT -5
I just think it's funny that we have these arguments about movies that make like a billion dollars each.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 18, 2021 17:26:03 GMT -5
Figure I'd update the thread title since it still was talking like this was a thing they were doing... instead of something that was coming out in like 2 weeks >_>
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 18, 2021 17:36:39 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Aug 18, 2021 17:41:55 GMT -5
I mean... it's not like they need any. They'll just make up any 'evidence' they need. look at how they still act like Captain Marvel making over a billion dollars still somehow means it was a failure... Captain Marvel was arguably only riding high on that figure because it was the lead-in to Endgame and nothing else. Once the hype machine died down and after people saw Endgame, that movie's standing in everyone's minds fell drastically. It would not have made the same amount if it had came out after Endgame. I mean, it's pretty obvious from the fact the sequel movie was rechristened "The Marvels" and Brie will find herself co-starring alongside the Marvel everyone actually LIKES from Wandavision (Monica) and the likeable other Marvel due her own show soon (Kamala) that there's no real faith in a direct CM sequel making the same kind of bank as the first one.You keep trying to push that agenda and it keeps failing miserably.
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Post by Killah Ray on Aug 18, 2021 18:14:12 GMT -5
This is gonna be the first MCU movie I say no thanks to the theaters for....the Delta variant is just too bad right now to even fathom sitting in a theater with a crowd of people.....
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