Spider2024
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 11, 2018 12:38:50 GMT -5
Basically for all the other Halls Of Fames, who are the actual inductions that are the most highly questionable?
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Post by BRV on Dec 11, 2018 12:41:22 GMT -5
As I wondered after he was inducted to Canton, is Terrell Davis the worst Pro Football Hall of Famer ever?
He had one transcendent season (1998, when he rushed for 2,008 yards) and two really good seasons (1996 and 1997, when he eclipsed 1,500 yards both seasons) but other than that, it's a pretty unimpressive resume. He also doesn't have the benefit of longevity on his side, as he broke into the league as a rookie in 1995 and was a washout four seasons later.
I understand that injuries derailed what could have been a promising career, but even when he was active and on top of his game, outside of 1998, could you argue that Terrell Davis was even a top-five running back in the league? And this was during an era, before the rule changes favored quarterbacks, when running backs were the dominant offensive weapon. Yet Davis could only muster one impressive season.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Dec 11, 2018 22:41:25 GMT -5
As I wondered after he was inducted to Canton, is Terrell Davis the worst Pro Football Hall of Famer ever? He had one transcendent season (1998, when he rushed for 2,008 yards) and two really good seasons (1996 and 1997, when he eclipsed 1,500 yards both seasons) but other than that, it's a pretty unimpressive resume. He also doesn't have the benefit of longevity on his side, as he broke into the league as a rookie in 1995 and was a washout four seasons later. I understand that injuries derailed what could have been a promising career, but even when he was active and on top of his game, outside of 1998, could you argue that Terrell Davis was even a top-five running back in the league? And this was during an era, before the rule changes favored quarterbacks, when running backs were the dominant offensive weapon. Yet Davis could only muster one impressive season. I mean in his three best years he was probably out duked by a couple other guys (Terry Allen 96, Barry Sanders 97) and was an absolute monster in 1998, but he won two super bowls and gave the most overrated but beloved QBs a couple of Super Bowls rings to validate his career.
Otherwise Preist Holmes, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis are more deserving HOFers
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 11, 2018 23:30:01 GMT -5
I can think of a couple baseball players that played moderately above average on garbage teams and compiled stats over long careers without ever sniffing greatness. So I'm betting baseball has the most "ehhhhhhh" kinda guys in the Hall.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 12, 2018 0:21:30 GMT -5
Before anybody mentions anybody in the Basketball Hall of Fame, remember, it's not a Hall of Fame just for the NBA, it's for the whole game. So somebody like Arvydas Sabonis who wasn't great in the NBA, got in because of his International career which took up his best years.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 15, 2018 7:29:06 GMT -5
Not a player, but Bud Selig is in the Baseball Hall.
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Post by unc40 on Dec 17, 2018 22:27:36 GMT -5
Frank Frisch's friends he got into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Dick Bavetta is only known for screwing up Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals and yet he is in the Basketball Hall of Fame.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Dec 17, 2018 22:30:10 GMT -5
Before anybody mentions anybody in the Basketball Hall of Fame, remember, it's not a Hall of Fame just for the NBA, it's for the whole game. So somebody like Arvydas Sabonis who wasn't great in the NBA, got in because of his International career which took up his best years. He was a guy in his 30's with shot knees by the time he played in the NBA
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 18, 2018 19:11:49 GMT -5
Yeah I'd say a lot of the guys from the 1920s Giants are dubious HOF guys. If we want to go further back than that I'd include Rube Marquard in that as well. Bill James called him the worst starting pitcher in the HOF. It's really become kind of a joke when a ton of "Eh" guys are in yet the all time hits leader and all time HR leader aren't even in. I mean Bert Blyleven is in but Roger Clemens isn't. A bunch of guys nowhere near Bonds have gotten in of late yet due to the steroid controversy Bonds isn't in.
Baines is a pretty weak HOF guy though. Career 38.7 WAR. Guys who were mostly DHs really shouldn't be in the Hall because you aren't really, you know, playing baseball.
As far as football goes Terrell Davis is a sad case since he was definitely looking like a first ballot guy but he really only had 3-4 good years. Truth be told I don't really know how to consider NFL guys since careers don't last as long and thus someone like Davis can get in with the bare minimum. And as noted the Basketball HOF is huge with college and pro.
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Post by BRV on Dec 19, 2018 12:28:37 GMT -5
I can think of a couple baseball players that played moderately above average on garbage teams and compiled stats over long careers without ever sniffing greatness. So I'm betting baseball has the most "ehhhhhhh" kinda guys in the Hall. Even with that being the case, it's still impossible to justify Mitch Richmond's candidacy. He had a forgettable college career; he never was first-team All-NBA; he never averaged more than 25 points per game, 6 rebounds per game, or 5 assists per game; he didn't make the Dream Team even though it was during his prime; and he was traded twice during his peak years. You can't even point to his six All-Star Game appearances, as that figure is watered down when you realize that Joe Johnson has seven All-Star appearances to his name.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Dec 20, 2018 23:24:52 GMT -5
WIll guys like Jimmer Fredette make it into the basketball HOF based on his performance in China?
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Dec 21, 2018 0:29:42 GMT -5
WIll guys like Jimmer Fredette make it into the basketball HOF based on his performance in China? That is a very interesting question and it all depends on how the China league develops. I am by no means an expert on the international game, but the only player from China I can remember is Yao Ming. If the likes of Yao, Marbury, and Fredette can inspire a generation they might get in about 10 years from now.
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