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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 18, 2018 20:13:29 GMT -5
It’s only a small aspect of a greater problem, but lately, the ordinary names have been bothering me. Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose sound like insurance salesman. Not larger than life SUPERSTARS. In all fairness if Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose became household names their names might sound less stupid. I reckon The Rock, Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold Steve Austin's names would sound stupid as hell if we weren't so used to hearing them. One of the biggest names of the Monday night era was Bill Goldberg.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 20:44:35 GMT -5
All these arguments don't take into account the fragmentation of audiences now as well. On top of the valid things already said, there won't be a Rock and Austin to that level to the same reason you won't see 8s and 9s in the ratings ever again--people have more choices to choose entertainment that caters directly to them at any given time at their fingertips now. I think about this whenever ratings come in. As much as WWE has done to shoot themselves in the foot, they also lose the benefit of media being what it was back in the day. Sort of like how radio changed when all the stations got bought up by a few people. Who knows? Maybe the Attitude Era stars we love wouldn't have blown up as big if people had as many choices as they do now.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Dec 19, 2018 1:06:45 GMT -5
Bully Ray : I have never watched Mandy Rose walk into the ring
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Post by Yacht Persona on Dec 19, 2018 4:07:55 GMT -5
It's actually a terrible business model to not have a flagship superstar. Wrestling was biggest when one superstar was bringing in the majority of the revenue. Having a bunch of 'B' level superstars all at relatively equal levels of stardom gets the declining business we've been seeing.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 19, 2018 4:38:41 GMT -5
In all fairness if Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose became household names their names might sound less stupid. I reckon The Rock, Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold Steve Austin's names would sound stupid as hell if we weren't so used to hearing them. One of the biggest names of the Monday night era was Bill Goldberg. There's also Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes. You ask people who's the guy in WWE right now, and non-fans will say John Cena. Dude's hit the mainstream. It's not the names that's the problem.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 19, 2018 8:09:15 GMT -5
All these arguments don't take into account the fragmentation of audiences now as well. On top of the valid things already said, there won't be a Rock and Austin to that level to the same reason you won't see 8s and 9s in the ratings ever again--people have more choices to choose entertainment that caters directly to them at any given time at their fingertips now. I think about this whenever ratings come in. As much as WWE has done to shoot themselves in the foot, they also lose the benefit of media being what it was back in the day. Sort of like how radio changed when all the stations got bought up by a few people. Who knows? Maybe the Attitude Era stars we love wouldn't have blown up as big if people had as many choices as they do now. To a point, sure. Though there's not really a way for em to paint bleeding a steady core audience away like they have been. That's not due to technology, that's people full on turning off their show in real time.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 19, 2018 9:13:00 GMT -5
CM Punk was so close to being a mega star on the level of Cena, Rock, Austin and got sabotaged by Nash and Hunter..... UGH.... Still get annoyed this happened. I had so many conversations with lapsed fans about Punk. It was really their last best shot at pulling people back in. Two and a half years earlier, Randy Orton was pulling huge ratings during his feud with the McMahons, then along came the WM25 Main Event. If Trips had made him look like a dangerous psychopath instead of chewing him up and spitting him out, then the Viper would have gotten to the next level.
And in 2006, Edge was pulling huge numbers as the Champion, and if he main evented 'mania that year, he could have gotten to that next level. Him and John Cena had insane levels of chemistry, and though Foley vs Edge is a great match, Big Match John vs The Rated R-Superstar would have been one of the best 'mania main events of all time. Instead, it was Trips.
WWE Could have had three megastars if they played their cards right in Edge, Punk and Orton. Instead, they just had three huge stars.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 19, 2018 9:22:31 GMT -5
I had so many conversations with lapsed fans about Punk. It was really their last best shot at pulling people back in. Two and a half years earlier, Randy Orton was pulling huge ratings during his feud with the McMahons, then along came the WM25 Main Event. If Trips had made him look like a dangerous psychopath instead of chewing him up and spitting him out, then the Viper would have gotten to the next level. And in 2006, Edge was pulling huge numbers as the Champion, and if he main evented 'mania that year, he could have gotten to that next level. Him and John Cena had insane levels of chemistry, and though Foley vs Edge is a great match, Big Match John vs The Rated R-Superstar would have been one of the best 'mania main events of all time. Instead, it was Trips. WWE Could have had three megastars if they played their cards right in Edge, Punk and Orton. Instead, they just had three huge stars. I just disagree with Orotn,they tried many times to make Orton a megastar.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 19, 2018 9:24:16 GMT -5
Two and a half years earlier, Randy Orton was pulling huge ratings during his feud with the McMahons, then along came the WM25 Main Event. If Trips had made him look like a dangerous psychopath instead of chewing him up and spitting him out, then the Viper would have gotten to the next level. And in 2006, Edge was pulling huge numbers as the Champion, and if he main evented 'mania that year, he could have gotten to that next level. Him and John Cena had insane levels of chemistry, and though Foley vs Edge is a great match, Big Match John vs The Rated R-Superstar would have been one of the best 'mania main events of all time. Instead, it was Trips. WWE Could have had three megastars if they played their cards right in Edge, Punk and Orton. Instead, they just had three huge stars. I just disagree with Orotn,they tried many times to make Orton a megastar. Orton is like HHH. He is the guy who The Guy wrestles, but not The Guy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 10:13:15 GMT -5
As mentioned the WWE wants to sell their brand rather than an individual talent, and I think that’s a huge mistake on their part. Look at sports. Baseball is turning regional because they can’t promote stars like they used to, while the NBA might be the most popular sport in the US now based almost entirely off being able to market a handful of individuals. The diehards will watch anything. The casuals will come for the hype. If you don’t have a character that can transcend into the mainstream then the company will always be stuck where they are (which is profitable for now but who knows how long).
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Dec 19, 2018 12:19:13 GMT -5
Booking plays a huge role. Hogan, Bret, HBK, Austin, Undertaker and Rock became big stars because they didn’t lose matches often. Imagine Austin 3:16 if he was booked like Balor or Samoa Joe, no way he would’ve been over.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 19, 2018 12:35:29 GMT -5
Booking plays a huge role. Hogan, Bret, HBK, Austin, Undertaker and Rock became big stars because they didn’t lose matches often. Imagine Austin 3:16 if he was booked like Balor or Samoa Joe, no way he would’ve been over. Exactly. Roman Reigns looked like a total bum in the Royal Rumble 2015, and rarely looked dominant in his matches. It's one of the main reasons why he struggled to get over and why he was rejected by much of the fanbase.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 19, 2018 13:51:41 GMT -5
Booking plays a huge role. Hogan, Bret, HBK, Austin, Undertaker and Rock became big stars because they didn’t lose matches often. Imagine Austin 3:16 if he was booked like Balor or Samoa Joe, no way he would’ve been over. I think nowdays people WANT their top guys to sometimes lose clean a few times. But WWE you are either a schmuck,or you are the guy winning everything
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 18:19:11 GMT -5
I think about this whenever ratings come in. As much as WWE has done to shoot themselves in the foot, they also lose the benefit of media being what it was back in the day. Sort of like how radio changed when all the stations got bought up by a few people. Who knows? Maybe the Attitude Era stars we love wouldn't have blown up as big if people had as many choices as they do now. To a point, sure. Though there's not really a way for em to paint bleeding a steady core audience away like they have been. That's not due to technology, that's people full on turning off their show in real time. Oh of course, hence the "shoot themselves" part. Totally agree.
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