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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 17:35:53 GMT -5
I'm waiting for AEW to get their first big current WWE guy. It'll surely happen, not sure who though.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 4, 2019 17:50:16 GMT -5
Offering WCW money off the bat is a really ominous sign. Hope they’ve got a really kick ass business plan in place. TV deal, PPV, touring schedule for at least a year of decent sized venues, the works.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 4, 2019 17:55:51 GMT -5
They better have some sort of big TV deal with some serious rights fees to justify signing guys to this kind of money. They might just end up being like early 90s WCW when they signed a bunch of big name free agent guys (Rude, Bulldog, Sid), paid them a ton, and then had no way to actually monetize it. Would Omega even be allowed to do the One Winged Angel in WWE? Killian Dain has used it in NXT, so yeah
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 4, 2019 18:04:16 GMT -5
WCW level money makes sense given the rumors they paid people 3 to 4 times their asking price for All In. With the rumored investment of $100 million they have plenty to play with in that regard, especially since they will be going up against WWE for people's service.
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Post by honsou on Jan 4, 2019 18:05:46 GMT -5
If AEW is willing to put in an offer in the ballpark of WWE, I think its just a choice of creative freedom and obviously AEW is going to give him more freedom. I can only see him going to WWE if he wants to prove something or they give him some level of creative freedom which I can't imagine WWE would do
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 4, 2019 18:19:51 GMT -5
He’s WWE bound and I really wish I hadn’t bought G1 Supercard @ MSG. I don’t think he is, but if you’re selling tickets at face value, let me know. I am if you’re interested, sent you a message.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2019 18:36:51 GMT -5
If Tony Khan is involved, they got some serious bank to throw around. The Khans are worth billions.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 4, 2019 18:45:49 GMT -5
They better have some sort of big TV deal with some serious rights fees to justify signing guys to this kind of money. They might just end up being like early 90s WCW when they signed a bunch of big name free agent guys (Rude, Bulldog, Sid), paid them a ton, and then had no way to actually monetize it. Would Omega even be allowed to do the One Winged Angel in WWE? They'd probably make Killian Dain give it up for him.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 4, 2019 18:50:05 GMT -5
If Tony Khan is involved, they got some serious bank to throw around. The Khans are worth billions. Vince:
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 4, 2019 18:53:28 GMT -5
He's either staying in NJPW or going to AEW. WWE would have to offer him pretty much the entire company and then some to get him and even then I don't think he'd accept.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 4, 2019 19:20:02 GMT -5
It's really a matter of where someone wants to be. AJ Styles wanted to be in WWE a long time ago, but they didn't want anyone from TNA. The main reason he went to NJPW to begin with is because WWE wasn't knocking on his door. After a couple of years they wanted him coming off a big NJPW run.
I figure that big meeting between the AEW crew, ROH, and NJPW officials was about how to divvy up talent. And yes, #1 on the list is Omega and whether NJPW will let him work any AEW shows. See, it's not like this WWE offer is going anywhere anytime soon. A year from now Omega can probably get the same deal if not more money once those new TV deals start kicking for WWE. Why take it now? A year from now AEW may be a big hit and he can play them off of WWE for more money, or get a bigger deal from NJPW and stay put. He doesn't need to DO anything right now.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 4, 2019 19:26:33 GMT -5
It's really a matter of where someone wants to be. AJ Styles wanted to be in WWE a long time ago, but they didn't want anyone from TNA. The main reason he went to NJPW to begin with is because WWE wasn't knocking on his door. After a couple of years they wanted him coming off a big NJPW run. I figure that big meeting between the AEW crew, ROH, and NJPW officials was about how to divvy up talent. And yes, #1 on the list is Omega and whether NJPW will let him work any AEW shows. See, it's not like this WWE offer is going anywhere anytime soon. A year from now Omega can probably get the same deal if not more money once those new TV deals start kicking for WWE. Why take it now? A year from now AEW may be a big hit and he can play them off of WWE for more money, or get a bigger deal from NJPW and stay put. He doesn't need to DO anything right now. The reason for Omega to act right now is simple. The top of the WWE is wide open. Dude could waltz in and be THE guy on Raw. Roman is potentially gone for the entire year.
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Post by eJm on Jan 4, 2019 19:57:49 GMT -5
To me, it comes down to what the specifics of what WWE are offering and what potentially others can offer him after this big summit coming up. If AEW can match WWE’s offer and give him freedom to perform in NJPW, Kenny would take that. Especially considering he has Japanese citizenship.
Having said that. Moon’s point is one I didn’t think about until now; WWE has a big hole to fill on top and they haven’t really filled it with anyone, even with those they’ve considered their top stars like Rollins or Ambrose. Who better than a genuine bonafied well travelled star who has a HBO documentary coming soon?
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Post by bearned on Jan 4, 2019 20:13:19 GMT -5
If Tony Khan is involved, they got some serious bank to throw around. The Khans are worth billions. Clearly if he is bankrolling it then they are going to have money to play with but the issue is how long will he be interested in it? There’s plenty of guys with lots of money who have invested and then bailed on wrestling before, even ones who are genuinely fans of dis bizness. It’s going to be quite intriguing as to how this all plays out.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 4, 2019 20:21:16 GMT -5
To me, it comes down to what the specifics of what WWE are offering and what potentially others can offer him after this big summit coming up. If AEW can match WWE’s offer and give him freedom to perform in NJPW, Kenny would take that. Especially considering he has Japanese citizenship. Having said that. Moon’s point is one I didn’t think about until now; WWE has a big hole to fill on top and they haven’t really filled it with anyone, even with those they’ve considered their top stars like Rollins or Ambrose. Who better than a genuine bonafied well travelled star who has a HBO documentary coming soon? HBO Canada documentary.
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Post by Muskrat on Jan 4, 2019 20:25:43 GMT -5
To me, it comes down to what the specifics of what WWE are offering and what potentially others can offer him after this big summit coming up. If AEW can match WWE’s offer and give him freedom to perform in NJPW, Kenny would take that. Especially considering he has Japanese citizenship. Having said that. Moon’s point is one I didn’t think about until now; WWE has a big hole to fill on top and they haven’t really filled it with anyone, even with those they’ve considered their top stars like Rollins or Ambrose. Who better than a genuine bonafied well travelled star who has a HBO documentary coming soon? HBO Canada documentary. If Kenny were to sign with WWE to be their Raw Ace, I guarantee that Vince pulls strings to make sure that documentary airs immediately in the US. Especially if the big rumour about it is true
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Post by eJm on Jan 4, 2019 20:26:55 GMT -5
To me, it comes down to what the specifics of what WWE are offering and what potentially others can offer him after this big summit coming up. If AEW can match WWE’s offer and give him freedom to perform in NJPW, Kenny would take that. Especially considering he has Japanese citizenship. Having said that. Moon’s point is one I didn’t think about until now; WWE has a big hole to fill on top and they haven’t really filled it with anyone, even with those they’ve considered their top stars like Rollins or Ambrose. Who better than a genuine bonafied well travelled star who has a HBO documentary coming soon? HBO Canada documentary. Eh, HBO is still HBO. Still a big deal either way. And like the post above said, they’d probably find a way to screen it in the US somehow.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 4, 2019 20:41:03 GMT -5
AJ's commitment was never to Japan long-term. He wanted to go where the biggest offer was, and WWE finally gave him what he wanted in a big contract and a move right to the main roster. He wanted to be with his family and to bank up a hefty retirement plan. Kenny is different. The guy has a lot more in the way of ideals and devotion to New Japan, has roots there, loves the place, and has citizenship. Gedo's given him a freedom that lets him put on work he's clearly proud of with a lot fewer constraints than he'd get in current WWE which is still obviously heavy on the limiting style under Vince.
But I don't think AEW is on the table as much as people think it is. Vince can give him unlimited dollars and make special exceptions and assurances. That's something that could lure him away from New Japan. But staying in New Japan I think his sticking point would much more likely be "Let me work some AEW shows" even if there's no partnership between the two promotions.
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Post by eJm on Jan 4, 2019 20:50:11 GMT -5
But I don't think AEW is on the table as much as people think it is. Vince can give him unlimited dollars and make special exceptions and assurances. That's something that could lure him away from New Japan. I just struggle to think of a way Vince would be convinced without it lasting for literally months of giving someone who isn't him flexibility in a Post Warrior/Hogan/Brock world where he gave the world and realise how much control he'd have to lose to get it. But then again, we do live in a world where another billionaire's funding a wrestling promotion and seem to be able to nab pretty much anyone outside of people on long term deals so who even knows?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 4, 2019 21:01:58 GMT -5
I am leaning WWE for him, but only by a little. NJPW's home, but he's also done pretty much everything there he set out to do.
He's been on WWE's radar for years now, and it's not really a secret, and with Roman out, and Brock probably not long for WWE, there's a void there. I don't think it's a done deal, far from it, but WWE can offer him a big flat payment, plus toys, video games, the works.
That said, obviously, AEW has a lot of benefits, namely more freedom, probably, but it's also a big unknown. Still, the signs are good at this being a lot more than some Global-style fizzle.
Staying with NJPW is probably the safe option, but he is also Alexander with no lands left to conquer there, and his troops are already out the door. If he stays, he's got much more room to go down than to go up any, so unless he wants to retire there, it's difficult to not consider the other two options more exciting.
I guess we'll find out if Omega's a gambling man.
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