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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 20:05:59 GMT -5
Isn't the one name thing for female talent supposed to invoke the likes of Cher or Beyonce? Hence why WWE used to refer to them as "divas". I've noticed there are times when people refer to a certain wrestler by one name only, even when they just called everyone else by their full name, like when making a list. Either way, I don't mind.
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Jan 12, 2019 22:29:23 GMT -5
It's Adam and Eve, not Cole and Torres. *slow clap*
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 12, 2019 22:37:55 GMT -5
Isn't the one name thing for female talent supposed to invoke the likes of Cher or Beyonce? Hence why WWE used to refer to them as "divas". I've noticed there are times when people refer to a certain wrestler by one name only, even when they just called everyone else by their full name, like when making a list. Either way, I don't mind. Probably. I mean, Greta Garbo was sometimes billed as simple "Garbo", but there are way more Adeles, Shakiras, etc. You occasionally get first name guys, like Sheamus instead of Sheamus O'Shaunessy, though I don't know if he's ever used that on the main roster, anyway.
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Post by segaz on Jan 13, 2019 6:50:03 GMT -5
People call Bret by his first name. People call Mysterio, Rey.
It's inconsistent with the men. I don't think it matters, there doesn't need to be a rule where you only call people by their last name.
And what if it was the other way round? Would we complain it's unfair to call women by their family name, instead of who they are, their personality is in the first?
I note that in sports, people tend to call women by their last name more often
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 14, 2019 2:32:44 GMT -5
Isn't the one name thing for female talent supposed to invoke the likes of Cher or Beyonce? Hence why WWE used to refer to them as "divas". I've noticed there are times when people refer to a certain wrestler by one name only, even when they just called everyone else by their full name, like when making a list. Either way, I don't mind. Probably. I mean, Greta Garbo was sometimes billed as simple "Garbo", but there are way more Adeles, Shakiras, etc. You occasionally get first name guys, like Sheamus instead of Sheamus O'Shaunessy, though I don't know if he's ever used that on the main roster, anyway. Only time I remember hearing it was flipping channels and TMZ had John Cena guest starring and they said they saw Sheamus O'Shaunessy leaving somewhere with the WWE title... I think Cena called him a dork for carrying it around all the time
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 5:52:41 GMT -5
In football this is common. We don’t say “Lionel scored a good goal.”, we say “Messi scored a good goal.” In wrestling, it varies for me. I find myself calling the women by their first name... but the men? It sounds weird to say “I can’t wait to see Kevin vs John!” Examples... I often say “Roman” instead of Reigns. I prefer to say Jinder, Shinsuke, AJ, Braun and Brock over their last names aswell. The one contrast in football was Michael Owen who seemingly got called "Michael" by commentators and pundits just as much as "Owen". Or indeed "Little Michael Owen".
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 14, 2019 6:37:46 GMT -5
Many of the women's entire gimmick names are their first name. The reverse is true for many of the men. Lana and Rusev. Cesaro. Natalya. I'm definitely in favour of changing our language to show respect to all, but this is something WWE need to do for us. Bingo; it's the environment that the company created, and fans are likely going to parrot whatever the announcers say most of the time. I do think it matters, honestly; it goes to a societal bias in how we speak to and of people depending on their sex. Men get to seem more aloof (and thus tough) when you only call them by their last name, since we have a pretty bad issue in western culture with men not wanting to seem like they form close relationships with other men ("no homo, dude"), while only going for first names with women either infantilizes them ("I want to protect her!") or makes them seem more "attainable" and relatable. When this was at its worst in WWE it spoke to an innate bias toward appealing to a male-centric audience, and the innate biases of a predominantly male writing staff. As mentioned previously in the thread there are different male wrestlers for whom first names are more common, and it can often come down to how common the guy's first name is; there aren't many "Brocks" in pro wrestling, and it's a pretty distinctive name all around, so a lot of people will go back and forth between calling him by his first name and calling him "Lesnar". But at least for a time in WWE a ton of the female talent wasn't even given the option; they got one first name, and that was it (Kaitlyn, Eve, Maria, etc.). And yeah, while Cesaro, Rusev, and others all lost their first names, Natalya and for a time Charlotte actually lost their last names. WWE's at least gotten better about it in recent years, but I agree that the company is still in the habit to some extent and that it's tough to expect fans to take the lead on the issue while the company itself at times still propagates the names. I applaud folks who try to break the habit for themselves, but it's more a structural issue than a personal one for many people.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 14, 2019 7:44:38 GMT -5
Probably. I mean, Greta Garbo was sometimes billed as simple "Garbo", but there are way more Adeles, Shakiras, etc. You occasionally get first name guys, like Sheamus instead of Sheamus O'Shaunessy, though I don't know if he's ever used that on the main roster, anyway. Only time I remember hearing it was flipping channels and TMZ had John Cena guest starring and they said they saw Sheamus O'Shaunessy leaving somewhere with the WWE title... I think Cena called him a dork for carrying it around all the time It just gives you perspective. For Cena carrying the title is just another job.For Sheamus it was probably a dream come true he will never be able to do again.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 14, 2019 9:42:24 GMT -5
I dunno, I find I usually only refer a male wrestler by their last name if it's not immediately clear who I'm talking about otherwise. For example, you know who "Gargano" is, whereas "Johnny" could refer to anyone. But there's only one "Aleister," one "Roman," one "Bray." This is just when talking out loud mind you. Online I have no consistency whatsoever. Lord help us if there were ever two Romans in WWE and they feuded with one another. And the other Roman's last name is Regins.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 14, 2019 13:08:42 GMT -5
I think part of it is also women tend to get different names.
Jim, Chris, Matt, Steve, Nick.
I can think of like 3 for all of them, compared to
Alexa, Michelle, Natalya,
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Post by tekkenguy on Jan 14, 2019 14:51:30 GMT -5
Actually there are several exceptions to the rule: - Santino Marella and Enzo Amore were pretty much always called by their first names. - People began to call AJ Styles “AJ” more often as AJ Lee faded into irrelevancy. - Nobody calls a McMahon “McMahon”, a Hart “Hart”, a Guerrero “Guerrero”, a Rhodes “Rhodes”, or a Hardy “Hardy”. - Titus O’Neil is pretty much always “Titus”. - People usually call Jinder Mahal “Jinder”. - Drew McIntyre is usually “Drew”. - Heath Slater, however is usually “Slater”.
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