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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 14, 2019 13:00:18 GMT -5
Wait, why does the thread title place #MeToo in the past tense? We're still in the #MeToo era. It's not like it's some movement from the distant past. There's still plenty of time for things to be revealed, if at all. A thing I learned today: PewDiePie is a household name??? Sorta, his subscribers are higher in amount to most television shows. But like I said entertainment is so fractured now there really is no main stream.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 14, 2019 13:26:32 GMT -5
PewDiePie is well known among Gen Zers and most millenials with an internet connection, but I doubt many people over 40 know who he is. He hasn't been covered in the kind of media they consume (TV News). There are probably plenty of people younger than 40 who just aren't "very online" enough to know/care who PewDiePie is as well. So he's hardly a "household name" where if you brought him up in a room full of people of a mixed demographic the majority of the people there would know who you're talking about. By contrast, pretty much everyone will know what you're talking about if you refer to the "WWE" in conversation. They might not know much about it, but they know that its pro wrestling.
I mean, parents of highschool and middleschoolers would be wise to bone up on the guy since chances are high he's a big influence on their kids, but how often does that happen?
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 14, 2019 13:41:19 GMT -5
Wait, why does the thread title place #MeToo in the past tense? We're still in the #MeToo era. It's not like it's some movement from the distant past. There's still plenty of time for things to be revealed, if at all. Likely because, especially after the Snuka case came back into the spotlight, we were expecting a flood of stories about sexual assaults, abuse, exploitation, and harassment in the pro wrestling world to come to the fore. For a variety of reasons, however, those stories have yet to materialize. It's still coming, I suspect, but we were expecting things to hit the fan far sooner, far more often, and far more of them than what we've gotten so far. Probably only because the 'rents have heard the name.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 14, 2019 14:02:02 GMT -5
PewDiePie is well known among Gen Zers and most millenials with an internet connection, but I doubt many people over 40 know who he is. He hasn't been covered in the kind of media they consume (TV News). There are probably plenty of people younger than 40 who just aren't "very online" enough to know/care who PewDiePie is as well. So he's hardly a "household name" where if you brought him up in a room full of people of a mixed demographic the majority of the people there would know who you're talking about. By contrast, pretty much everyone will know what you're talking about if you refer to the "WWE" in conversation. They might not know much about it, but they know that its pro wrestling. I mean, parents of highschool and middleschoolers would be wise to bone up on the guy since chances are high he's a big influence on their kids, but how often does that happen? I'm well under 40 and very online and I only ever seem to hear about PewDiePie when he does something stupid which to be fair seems to be a lot higher than a person with his kind of influence should be doing but if he never did anything stupid it would be very easy for me to never hear about him.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2019 14:48:21 GMT -5
Flair being a womaniser wouldn't be relevant to the Me Too movement if it involved consent.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 14, 2019 14:52:55 GMT -5
Flair being a womaniser wouldn't be relevant to the Me Too movement if it involved consent. Flair having lots of sex has never been the issue, him having a habit of exposing himself to women is.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 14, 2019 14:54:57 GMT -5
Flair being a womaniser wouldn't be relevant to the Me Too movement if it involved consent. And, you know, if it's about his character...
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 14, 2019 16:11:43 GMT -5
A thing I learned today: PewDiePie is a household name??? PewDiePie has a subscriber base of 80 MILLION people. He has literally more than twice as many followers as WWE these days, who can't crack 40 million. Dude's relevant enough to have guest-starred twice on South Park. He's not Tom Cruise or Hulk Hogan, but he is a very huge name these days and is the gamer most non-gamers can name when asked. He's a complete and total asshole, but he's definitely huge.
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 14, 2019 17:03:30 GMT -5
Wait, why does the thread title place #MeToo in the past tense? We're still in the #MeToo era. It's not like it's some movement from the distant past. There's still plenty of time for things to be revealed, if at all. A thing I learned today: PewDiePie is a household name??? what the hell is a pewdiepie?
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 14, 2019 17:17:03 GMT -5
Damn, this is the first I'd heard of the allegations against Jay Lethal. It's basically the first time I've ever hard to wrestle with my feelings about accusations against someone I am actually a fan of at all. I mean... Cosby was a case where by the time I heard of it the evidence was so great I didn't have to really wrestle with it, I was just done with him. Aziz Ansari I processed pretty easily, since while I believe the accuser in that case I didn't see Ansari's behavior as being that of an irredeemable demon. Lasseter wasn't tough because I never personified my fandom for Pixar, I felt affection for the studio not the person. But Lethal is one of my favorite wrestlers. I tend towards believing the accuser in cases like this, but now I'm trying to process the information we have while contending with the reality that my filter is biased in favor of exonerating Lethal because I like him. im wondering did anything come of it, Given that Taeler Hendrix seems to have burned bridges everywhere, And given that Taeler has a tendency to spout off in public, and partner is a known scumbag/con artist I'm a little skeptical.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 14, 2019 17:17:40 GMT -5
I'm going to be stupidly optimistic and cynical at the same time here for a minute.
As people have said, wrestling is a multi-billion dollar cesspit that most of the world prefers to ignore, and so it gets ignored a lot in big trends like this because it's always been an outside thing outside of a few brief moments. This means that it's not really worth going after wrestling.
That said, it's also not worth going after WWE, because their public front is doing SOOOO much better at this than almost any other industry. A lot of people on here shit on the women's revolution or overuse of the word historic or that the kayfabe of it is totally different to the backstage people behind it who are mostly men anyway, or that WWE is patting itself on the back for problems that it created itself.
You know who else is doing that?
Uh... basically nobody.
Comedy is letting the rapists back onstage and ejecting hecklers, Hollywood is still booking Johnny Depp, if you're a musician whose last rape accusation was before hashtags were invented than Australia will still let you in...
Misogyny is a problem everywhere, but it is a bigger problem in some places than others and when resources are limited... WWE is letting women have long, good matches, decent storylines, main events and PR campaigns. And yeah, they crow about it plenty. But I'd rather take the progress and the crowing than sacrifice both to lose the irritating part.
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