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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 15, 2019 14:00:38 GMT -5
To everyone saying he could have just been The Deadman without using the Undertaker name remember that Turner had been sued by Titan for IP infringement from when Hall & Nash had jumped and acted sorta like Razor & Diesel. So I don't think for a second Bischoff would have been allowed by Bill Busch to sign Mark Callaway and have him act like the Undertaker. It would have been Mean Mark or a new gimmick.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 15, 2019 14:06:37 GMT -5
To everyone saying he could have just been The Deadman without using the Undertaker name remember that Turner had been sued by Titan for IP infringement from when Hall & Nash had jumped and acted sorta like Razor & Diesel. So I don't think for a second Bischoff would have been allowed by Bill Busch to sign Mark Callaway and have him act like the Undertaker. It would have been Mean Mark or a new gimmick. Don’t forget Ted Dibiase and Mike Rotunda becoming their wwe gimmicks in wcw.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 15, 2019 14:09:25 GMT -5
as a guy who loves BikerTaker (and he WAS over, saying he wasn't is revisionist history) I think Bischoff is either an idiot or blowing smoke if he thinks he'd have no use for the guy without the gimmick. then again this is the same man who signed Bret freaking Hart and managed to do nothing with him, so... Biker Taker was over sure, Biker Mean Mark Callous though? No f***ing way. Please imagine Mean Mark Callous debuting on nitro riding his bike. No way it works. He would look, act and wrestle like Bikertaker, but simply be called Mean Mark Callous. It'd work.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 15, 2019 14:22:31 GMT -5
Biker Taker was over sure, Biker Mean Mark Callous though? No f***ing way. Please imagine Mean Mark Callous debuting on nitro riding his bike. No way it works. He would look, act and wrestle like Bikertaker, but simply be called Mean Mark Callous. It'd work. He was still called Deadman and Big Evil despite being Biker Taker, early on he still rolled his eyes to the back of his head. He still had the name Undertaker. Please check his work as Mean Mark or MOP back in wcw and Memphis, he was just a random tall guy who cut awful promos. That’s what we would’ve gotten in wcw. There was also a huge problem for Taker in wcw, Hogan. Hogan apparently lied about being injured by the tombstone when Taker won his first belt, it took Taker years to become the main guy after that.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jan 15, 2019 14:59:41 GMT -5
The roster was so bloated at the time... I believe Bisch when he says he doesn't know where 'Taker would fit in.
Maybe have him stalk Sting for while, Crow-Sting style... keep him out of the ring, build anticipation, nail down any legal disputes the WWF would throw at them.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jan 15, 2019 15:09:27 GMT -5
He would look, act and wrestle like Bikertaker, but simply be called Mean Mark Callous. It'd work. He was still called Deadman and Big Evil despite being Biker Taker, early on he still rolled his eyes to the back of his head. He still had the name Undertaker. Please check his work as Mean Mark or MOP back in wcw and Memphis, he was just a random tall guy who cut awful promos. That’s what we would’ve gotten in wcw. Those Mean Mark promos/matches were from when Taker was much younger and inexperienced Even if he lost the name "Undertaker" he wouldn't automatically forget everything he learned in the years spent as a top act in the WWE. If given something to work with he would have done all right
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 15, 2019 15:23:47 GMT -5
as a guy who loves BikerTaker (and he WAS over, saying he wasn't is revisionist history) I think Bischoff is either an idiot or blowing smoke if he thinks he'd have no use for the guy without the gimmick. then again this is the same man who signed Bret freaking Hart and managed to do nothing with him, so... Biker Taker was over sure, Biker Mean Mark Callous though? No f***ing way. Please imagine Mean Mark Callous debuting on nitro riding his bike. No way it works. It would have worked fine. At least until Bischoff forgot he was on the roster or something.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 15, 2019 15:32:04 GMT -5
He was still called Deadman and Big Evil despite being Biker Taker, early on he still rolled his eyes to the back of his head. He still had the name Undertaker. Please check his work as Mean Mark or MOP back in wcw and Memphis, he was just a random tall guy who cut awful promos. That’s what we would’ve gotten in wcw. Those Mean Mark promos/matches were from when Taker was much younger and inexperienced Even if he lost the name "Undertaker" he wouldn't automatically forget everything he learned in the years spent as a top act in the WWE. If given something to work with he would have done all right His only experience was being the Undertaker, nothing more.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 15, 2019 16:23:49 GMT -5
Didn't Taker allegedly really not get along with Hogan? Even if you find a way past having to change his character, that would have been a huge problem.
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Post by evilone on Jan 15, 2019 16:59:20 GMT -5
To everyone saying he could have just been The Deadman without using the Undertaker name remember that Turner had been sued by Titan for IP infringement from when Hall & Nash had jumped and acted sorta like Razor & Diesel. So I don't think for a second Bischoff would have been allowed by Bill Busch to sign Mark Callaway and have him act like the Undertaker. It would have been Mean Mark or a new gimmick. They were sued cause they insinuated they were sent by WWF to invade WCW. WCW chickened out and had them admit on TV they were not sent by WWF. I'm not sure what antics Diesel had besides being a bad ass bodyguard at the very beginning that WWF could sue them for and Razor Ramon was WCW's Diamond Stud with bad Cuban accent and gold chains, none of which Hall had once he came back. I'm pretty sure WWF didn't sue them for gimmick infringement. The only time they sued them for gimmick infringement that I'm aware of is Super Big Bossman being a The Boss in exact same cop uniform doing exact same thing he did in WWF.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 15, 2019 17:21:35 GMT -5
I think Eric Bischoff would've taken Mark Calloway as the masked wrestler he was with Skandor Akbar if it meant he, Eric, had him and not Vince McMahon.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 15, 2019 17:40:15 GMT -5
as a guy who loves BikerTaker (and he WAS over, saying he wasn't is revisionist history) I think Bischoff is either an idiot or blowing smoke if he thinks he'd have no use for the guy without the gimmick. then again this is the same man who signed Bret freaking Hart and managed to do nothing with him, so... Biker Taker was over sure, Biker Mean Mark Callous though? No f***ing way. Please imagine Mean Mark Callous debuting on nitro riding his bike. No way it works. Maybe, but at least Larry Zybszko wouldn't have ever called him "Booger Red".
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 15, 2019 18:30:38 GMT -5
Biker Taker was over sure, Biker Mean Mark Callous though? No f***ing way. Please imagine Mean Mark Callous debuting on nitro riding his bike. No way it works. Maybe, but at least Larry Zybszko wouldn't have ever called him "Booger Red". Lol according to Teddy Long, Ole Anderson told Mark that he was just a red headed kid and that he should retire because he would never draw a dime in the business. Boy was Ole wrong.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 15, 2019 18:31:27 GMT -5
Didn't Taker allegedly really not get along with Hogan? Even if you find a way past having to change his character, that would have been a huge problem. Apparently Taker respected Hogan but wasn’t a fan of him personally.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 15, 2019 18:42:34 GMT -5
Didn't Taker allegedly really not get along with Hogan? Even if you find a way past having to change his character, that would have been a huge problem. Apparently Taker respected Hogan but wasn’t a fan of him personally. Which goes back to Survivor Series 1991.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 15, 2019 18:53:16 GMT -5
I still can't believe he still thinks that the nWo show would have been either a good idea or feasible. I hate to say this but I actually see the merit in the idea, but only short term and with the right payoff. The nWo win, they outright win, the Horsemen are beaten, everyone's beaten, so much corruption, backstabbing, so many guys they convince to join them to get to be part of the winning team/cool kids, they end up with all the belts and all the power after a PPV and next night becomes nWo Nitro and everything is basically like those scenes in movies where the villains needlessly torment the helpless heroes. Random babyface midcarders who nWo guys have grudges against get put in unfair, humiliating matches all night, anybody who might be a threat (eg. still-in-the-midcard Goldberg/DDP) is fired and not seen, they're not even pretending its fair they've won and know it, massive circle jerking self congratulatory promos, and then at the end of the night, Crow Sting returns or Goldberg or DDP makes the step up and attacks the entire posse, and WINS, either Sting's bat or Page's knack for the Diamond Cutter or Goldberg's sheer force but either way whoever's your guy just tears through the entire nWo in their moment of triumph, and starts the fightback, and each week nWo Nitro becomes less and less dominated by the nWo, more and more guys start fighting back and winning even against the impossibly stacked deck until your big blowoff where all the big faces smash the nWo, regain the belts, and save WCW. The nWo get EXILED to Thunder, they can have their own brand, but it's the B-Brand, and they conitnue to exist as background antagonists always trying to stage a return to power. Only trouble is, Hogan, Hall & Nash would never let themselves get beaten like that so in practice you couldn't get the payoff, but the idea of the nWo ending up with a brand isn't a bad one, it just is hard to make work with the egos & contracts involved.
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 15, 2019 19:03:43 GMT -5
if this happened in 1996 or early 97, I wonder if we would have got the return of Brian Lee as the Fake Undertaker Or he would have the American Badass gimmick? Isn’t he like a cousin of Taker?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 15, 2019 19:29:27 GMT -5
Apparently Taker respected Hogan but wasn’t a fan of him personally. Which goes back to Survivor Series 1991. Hogan lying about Undertaker injuring him hurt his career early on. Apparently Taker rewatched the match and got very angry about it.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jan 15, 2019 20:28:45 GMT -5
To everyone saying he could have just been The Deadman without using the Undertaker name remember that Turner had been sued by Titan for IP infringement from when Hall & Nash had jumped and acted sorta like Razor & Diesel. So I don't think for a second Bischoff would have been allowed by Bill Busch to sign Mark Callaway and have him act like the Undertaker. It would have been Mean Mark or a new gimmick. They were sued cause they insinuated they were sent by WWF to invade WCW. WCW chickened out and had them admit on TV they were not sent by WWF. I'm not sure what antics Diesel had besides being a bad ass bodyguard at the very beginning that WWF could sue them for and Razor Ramon was WCW's Diamond Stud with bad Cuban accent and gold chains, none of which Hall had once he came back. I'm pretty sure WWF didn't sue them for gimmick infringement. The only time they sued them for gimmick infringement that I'm aware of is Super Big Bossman being a The Boss in exact same cop uniform doing exact same thing he did in WWF. It also happened when they tried to bill John Tenta as Avalanche, the gimmick basically being Earthquake but with a different name. There were a number of gimmicks like this in WCW that didn’t last long (The Convict, Ed Leslie as The Clipmaster, etc.) so I wonder how many ended as a result of threat of legal action.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 16, 2019 2:46:26 GMT -5
To everyone saying he could have just been The Deadman without using the Undertaker name remember that Turner had been sued by Titan for IP infringement from when Hall & Nash had jumped and acted sorta like Razor & Diesel. So I don't think for a second Bischoff would have been allowed by Bill Busch to sign Mark Callaway and have him act like the Undertaker. It would have been Mean Mark or a new gimmick. Don’t forget Ted Dibiase and Mike Rotunda becoming their wwe gimmicks in wcw. You can't trademark being rich, and Ted bore no other vestiges of the gimmick (the sequined suits, the $ belt, "everybody's got a price"). Rotunda did not take his WWE gimmick with him. He started the "Million Dollar Man" rip-off Michael Wallstreet in WCW, went to WWF as the tax man, then returned to WCW and his old gimmick of millionaire Michael Wallstreet, just without as many millions as before, it seems and then VK Wallstreet for some stupid reason.
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