Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 16, 2019 13:31:07 GMT -5
Didn't Nash spend time in the military? If so he more than likely got some hand to hand training.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 16, 2019 13:31:58 GMT -5
First off I never said Punk was tough or a badass just that he had basic training. Something Nash doesn’t have. Bill Watts actually debunked Nash’s tough guy bullshit gimmick, and Nash admitted it in a shoot interview. Nash as a rookie botched a match in wcw when Watts was running it, well Watts told Nash that he needed to teach him a lesson, Watts then punched Nash and Kevin just took it without doing anything. Nash is a bullshit ballet dancer just like ninety percent of the guys in wrestling, Punk included, only difference is that at least Punk received some training. I know we're disagree in this thread but "bullshit ballet dancer" is awesome and I'm stealing it. Since we're not going to agree - and I totally see your point! - since we know a bit more about JBL, who do you think wins between HIM and Punk in a fight? John Layfield has never won a fight in his life and even a five foot nothing announcer got away with punching him in the face without him ever retaliating. JBL might have a worse record than HBK in locker room fights. To quote Jim Cornette, “he’s 0-infinite in real fights”. My money is on Punk. JBL is my favorite character ever but the real man is the biggest pussy ass bitch of all time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 16, 2019 13:33:37 GMT -5
Didn't Nash spend time in the military? If so he more than likely got some hand to hand training. He was stationed in a police facility, he never saw combat, saying that he did military service is very generous.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 16, 2019 13:34:11 GMT -5
Why is this a serious question? Punk was an awful fighter but at least he was trained and knows basic stuff, Kevin Nash only knows how to choreographed fights. Punk didn't know basic stuff though. Seriously. I know this is gonna be all "I'm a tough guy on the internet" but I'm a lifelong martial artist. I'm literally a gold medallist for my province in Judo and BJJ and I cannot understate how BAD Punk was. Basic concepts like breaking your opponents posture while they're in your guard, or what the hooks are for when you're on someone's back - as demonstrated in his open workout - he didn't seem to get. I LOVE Punk, he's in my top five of all time but as a legitimate fighter I have literally seen people be better than he was after a month of training. I don't know what it was, but he learned nothing. I've not really done much BJJ besides a couple of friendly sparring sections with a rookie mate of mine so can't speak to his grappling, but I have done other martial arts for half my life, and Punk's standup game was equally woeful. The crab walk from his first fight is just...that's legit how I'd expect someone to move if they were fighting after a couple months of training once a week at their local YMCA. Not apparently training full time with pros. I love Punk as a wrestler, one of my favourites of this era, but my God he sucked ass in UFC. If he fought Nash I'd expect him to basically run head first and windmilling at Nash, Nash knocks him out with a wild swing but pulls his groin in the process and both of them are down for the count. It'd be a comedy of errors.
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Post by The Trashman on Jan 16, 2019 13:37:25 GMT -5
Nash would knock him out quickly.
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Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 16, 2019 13:57:55 GMT -5
Didn't Nash spend time in the military? If so he more than likely got some hand to hand training. He was stationed in a police facility, he never saw combat, saying that he did military service is very generous. l Hell I put 4 years in the Army,never saw combat. But it still counts as military service. And I noticed how you ignored that Nash has at least some hand to hand training.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 16, 2019 15:22:27 GMT -5
Nash would blow out both quads while standing up to fight. Punk wins by forfeit. We all win not having to watch them legit fight.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 16, 2019 15:37:36 GMT -5
Didn't Nash spend time in the military? If so he more than likely got some hand to hand training. True but that training was nearly 40 years ago. From his wikipedia page Whether he could beat Punk in a real fight now at 59 years old, he has certainly led an interesting life. You have Nash's raw size, whatever training he received in that military post, bouncing experience, any other fighting experience he's had. Biggest knocks against him are age, mobility, and injury history. Punk has formal combat training, but its results have been lackluster to say the least. He's younger and faster. I'm inclined to give the edge to Punk for the speed, but I could easily see Nash getting an early advantage with his reach. Punk would probably be wise to just rush him with a takedown as fast as possible though. Hard to imagine Nash effectively defending against a takedown. Most I know about fighting is being terrible at wrestling in high school, so what the hell do I know?
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 16, 2019 15:39:40 GMT -5
I'm not a tough guy by any means but I think there's this idea that anyone who's had some sort of martial arts training automatically becomes some sort of killing machine. Obviously you can improve but I think you're either a fighter or you're not. Punk had years of training and we saw him get the shit beat out of him in actual fights outside of controlled environments. He clearly has no power or natural fighting ability. Nash is old but he might just be able to overwhelm him with size and take him down somehow (if he's not crippled cos of his knees or hips or whatever).
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 16, 2019 16:15:25 GMT -5
I'm not a tough guy by any means but I think there's this idea that anyone who's had some sort of martial arts training automatically becomes some sort of killing machine. Obviously you can improve but I think you're either a fighter or you're not. Punk had years of training and we saw him get the shit beat out of him in actual fights outside of controlled environments. He clearly has no power or natural fighting ability. Nash is old but he might just be able to overwhelm him with size and take him down somehow (if he's not crippled cos of his knees or hips or whatever). May I remind you that Punk was beaten by real fighters in the ufc? Real fighters with years of more experience and ability than him. It’s not like he was beaten up by a regular person.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 16, 2019 16:25:42 GMT -5
If you would’ve asked who would win in a fight between Punk and Sin Cara 2 or Punk against Shane Helms, then there’s no debate, Punk gets killed in both fights because those two guys have been involved in backstage fights and beaten up their opponents without any problem. They’re also legit tough guys.
Kevin Nash is not a tough guy, he’s a fake rassler who likes to talk, who admitted that a senior citizen in Bill Watts punched him in the face and that he took it like a bitch without retialiting, and other than that Nash has never been involved in a fight in his life. He’s just a talker who also lied about slapping Samoa Joe because he wanted to be portrayed as a tough guy. Just stop it, Nash isn’t tough or has ever been tough in his life, nobody was ever scared of him in the business.
There are lots of guys who don’t have fighting experience in wrestling that could beat up Punk, Kevin Nash ain’t one of them.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 16, 2019 16:38:17 GMT -5
I'm not a tough guy by any means but I think there's this idea that anyone who's had some sort of martial arts training automatically becomes some sort of killing machine. Obviously you can improve but I think you're either a fighter or you're not. Punk had years of training and we saw him get the shit beat out of him in actual fights outside of controlled environments. He clearly has no power or natural fighting ability. Nash is old but he might just be able to overwhelm him with size and take him down somehow (if he's not crippled cos of his knees or hips or whatever). May I remind you that Punk was beaten by real fighters in the ufc? Real fighters with years of more experience and ability than him. It’s not like he was beaten up by a regular person. Yeah that's what I mean. They got into UFC because they had natural fighting ability and then trained and improved. Punk got into UFC just because he's a famous fan and no amount of training could get him anywhere close to their level. I'm just saying that Punk is not a natural fighter so I don't think any training he's had would give him an advantage in a real fight since some people are using his martial arts training as a reason he might win. Although obviously I have no idea if Nash can fight "for real" either which is why I voted Nash purely on size.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 16, 2019 16:46:25 GMT -5
May I remind you that Punk was beaten by real fighters in the ufc? Real fighters with years of more experience and ability than him. It’s not like he was beaten up by a regular person. Yeah that's what I mean. They got into UFC because they had natural fighting ability and then trained and improved. Punk got into UFC just because he's a famous fan and no amount of training could get him anywhere close to their level. I'm just saying that Punk is not a natural fighter so I don't think any training he's had would give him an advantage in a real fight since some people are using his martial arts training as a reason he might win. Although obviously I have no idea if Nash can fight "for real" either which is why I voted Nash purely on size. CM Punk got an undeserved opportunity in the biggest fighting league of the world solely because they wanted to sell ppvs. At 40 he bullshitted and convinced people that he actually had a shot and deserved to be there only to get exposed and sent to the hospital. He may be the worst fighter ever in the history of mixed martial arts. That being said, I can’t discount 2-3 years of training with elite coaches in Roufusports. Specially against someone who has never trained or even fight like Kevin Nash and who only lies about his own street cred. If the op asked about Punk vs Steiner, I go everytime with Scott because despite being crippled, Steiner is a legit killer and no amount of training would prepare Punk for that.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 16, 2019 16:49:59 GMT -5
I think this is fully dependent on if Nash's knees hold up or not.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 16, 2019 16:54:07 GMT -5
Nash ain't winning at 59 years old with completely gimped knees.
But Punk wouldn't exactly be crowning himself with glory in the process.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 16, 2019 17:01:21 GMT -5
Didn't Nash spend time in the military? If so he more than likely got some hand to hand training. He was stationed in a police facility, he never saw combat, saying that he did military service is very generous. Not seeing combat isn't the same as not serving. You do training all the same. From medics to the guy who only has the job of standing inside a shipping container in Kuwait to see if any light is visible, you still go through the ringer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 17:16:13 GMT -5
Nash might have a heart attack
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Post by Thunderbolt on Jan 16, 2019 17:22:48 GMT -5
Everyone is ignoring the fact that Nash has about 100 pounds on Punk. And Punk cannot punch to save his life. "Training" or not, Punk just can't punch.
I used to hate Nash, but I had to pick old man Diesel here, gimpy legs and all. Reach advantage, 100 pounds over Punk, and the fact that Punk can't really do a goddamn thing at all.
If this was a MMA fight, it would probably be more embarrassing than that Batista vs. Super Mario fight and Punk might win on points for landing some shitty low kicks...but I really don't think Punk is capable of doing anything other than take a beating.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Jan 16, 2019 17:31:10 GMT -5
Punk's trainwreck of a MMA career is funny and all, but still, I'd bet the farm on him here.
The fight would be ugly as sin, but younger mostly-mobile dude with basic MMA training > older dude with bad knees, no matter the size difference.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 16, 2019 17:41:19 GMT -5
I have a feeling the training that Nash got on Magic Mike was more effective than any training Punk received.
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