chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Feb 13, 2019 4:38:28 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 13, 2019 4:44:07 GMT -5
I don’t believe the US government plotted 9/11, but I damn sure believe they ignored the signs. Pearl Harbor too. I'm kinda with you on those, in that if we found a smoking gun, I wouldn't be that shocked. But for different reasons. With Pearl Harbour, FDR really wanted to get into the war, and while remaining neutral, the trading policy he was overseeing was pushing the definition of neutral to the breaking point. Pearl Harbour specifically I don't know what they knew, but I can't imagine he wasn't expecting some kind of attack to bring America in. They knew an attack was coming but the isolationist they are on the other side of the planet view of America took it as a threat of sabotage. That's why the boats were lined up so they could watch who was coming and going. If you expect an air raid you space them out more so if they drop 1 bomb it hits 1 Ship. FDR wanted to get into the war is truish... he wanted to join the war against GERMANY. Not get into a war with Japan which could have easily happened with the PH attack. If Germany continued their plan of ignoring America instead of Declaring war after America Declared war on Japan.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 13, 2019 4:47:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but are you serious? You really believe that high ranking government officials ran a human trafficking/child sex ring out of a pizza parlor? And you're ok with a man going in there firing a gun trying to play hero? Genuinely curious. Not the place for this guys. You know better. Ditto the 9/11 talk. And anything else with ties to politics (post Nixon) or religion
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 13, 2019 4:52:51 GMT -5
I'm kinda with you on those, in that if we found a smoking gun, I wouldn't be that shocked. But for different reasons. With Pearl Harbour, FDR really wanted to get into the war, and while remaining neutral, the trading policy he was overseeing was pushing the definition of neutral to the breaking point. Pearl Harbour specifically I don't know what they knew, but I can't imagine he wasn't expecting some kind of attack to bring America in. They knew an attack was coming but the isolationist they are on the other side of the planet view of America took it as a threat of sabotage. That's why the boats were lined up so they could watch who was coming and going. If you expect an air raid you space them out more so if they drop 1 bomb it hits 1 Ship. FDR wanted to get into the war is truish... he wanted to join the war against GERMANY. Not get into a war with Japan which could have easily happened with the PH attack. If Germany continued their plan of ignoring America instead of Declaring war after America Declared war on Japan. That's why I'm on the kinda side of it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 13, 2019 4:53:15 GMT -5
This the conspiracy part. The Japanese government had largely made up their minds they were going to end up surrendering but were hoping they could wring some favorable terms out of the allied powers-in particular a promise the emperor would be granted immunity to war crime charges. The very first US troops to artuvs in Tokyo even predicted the bombs had shortened the war by, at most, a few weeks. Harry Truman has walked into the Potsdam Conference feeling sure the bombs wouldn’t even be needed because Russia had already promise to enter the Japanese front in return for territory in the Pacific and Asia. BUT as the conference dragged on Trumsn got more and more suspicious of the Russians over Eastern Europe as it became clear a lot of promises made prior to the conference had been bunk. Therefore the theory that he deployed the bombs to try to force the Japanese to surrender before Russia stepped in and he could thusly void he promises that had been made to get them into it-as in Bill not paid because services were not rendered. In other words it was not about saving lives and ending the war-it was the first regional power play of the Cold War. Well, appropriately, I can definitely believe that, as that's the kind of conspiracies that actually happen in Non-Crazy Land. The US's claim that conventional warfare would have caused far more deaths than nukes is questionable at best, especially considering they originally planned to drop many more, and it is based on the assumption that a land invasion would even be necessary, and that Japan would keep the war going on its own for months if not years when they didn't really have any good reason to do so. This interpretation makes a lot more sense to me. And if anybody is asking if I seriously believe the USA would willingly kill hundreds of thousands of civilians for geo-political power and personal gain, my answer is: "is this a trick question?". After the two nukes dropped there was an attempted Coup in Japan to keep the Emperor from surrendering. The Japanese army still wanted to fight, and their tactics were fight to the last man... as well as if you were a civilian it was better to kill yourself than be occupied (partially probably due to how Japan dealt with prisoners which was pretty horrific) Also the US only had the two nukes there was no plan to drop more because we didn't have more. The conventional means was fire bombs and ground invasion. With the attitude the Japanese fought with through the war and fire being difficult to control. I have no trouble believing the amount of casualties and injuries they were expecting.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 13, 2019 6:06:29 GMT -5
Not so much a conspiracy as exactly what they've done. Used to work at a lube and tire place, they've done that. It's not just cars either. I remember the first laptop I got years ago, there was a convenient and easy to open flap on the back to access the fan so you could clean or replace it. Nowadays, you pretty much have to take half the computer apart, good luck finding your way across a bunch of random metal parts, wires and circuit boards that have no business being where they are, and then putting everything back in place without destroying anything (I somehow pulled it off on my previous laptop). You're pretty much guaranteed it'll void your warranty though (not that there were many chances you'd ever be able to use it in the first place anyway). Yeah, my previous laptop was having major issues, then it fell off a desk (which broke the screen), and I had to get a new one. So after getting the new one, I decided to take the hard drive out of the old one to transfer data over. f***, getting that thing out was insane. Taking apart a laptop and getting/replacing parts has become something needlessly complicated. All so they can make you buy a new one, and not be able to repair it yourself.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 13, 2019 8:36:22 GMT -5
I dont’ buy the whole “Ninth Gate” conspiracy theory involving Jimmy Saville. I do, however, absolutely believe that there were people in powerful places that put in a lot of leg work in his behalf, at least some of whom were probably in on his crimes themselves. But in the overwhelming majority of what he did, particularly as relates to the hospitals and schools were he committed his heinous offenses, it really just came down to him being the rainmaker and the institutions not wanting to lose all the moolah he was bringing in, so whatever accusations were made against him during his life were swept under the carpet. Oh yeah, there's no way someone could keep such a vast-reaching operation without some support. The Stoke Mandeville Hospital alone is evidence of this. He basically had access to all areas of the hospital, employees called him a "sex pest" and made no less than 10 complaints, none of which was followed through on. And if that wasn't nauseating enough, the hospital gave him a bedroom in a building used to accommodate young medical students. There's no f'ing way they didn't know what they were doing. So either through money, connections or both, it's obvious a lot of people protected him and enabled him to not only hurt people, but get away with it as well, and they should be considered just as guilty as Savile himself. I'm also curious about what this "Ninth Gate" thing is about; I googled it and found nothing. Is it related to the movie of the same name, considering it was directed by fellow notorious paedophile Roman Polanski? Basically a theory that Savile was part of an international satanic cult thatest and cannibalize kids. Ties into the Pizzagate theory.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 13, 2019 8:40:12 GMT -5
Because I totally trust this face
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 13, 2019 8:40:33 GMT -5
My grandma believed that J. Edgar Hoover had Kennedy killed because he couldn't control him. Makes sense.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 13, 2019 12:38:05 GMT -5
Oh yeah, there's no way someone could keep such a vast-reaching operation without some support. The Stoke Mandeville Hospital alone is evidence of this. He basically had access to all areas of the hospital, employees called him a "sex pest" and made no less than 10 complaints, none of which was followed through on. And if that wasn't nauseating enough, the hospital gave him a bedroom in a building used to accommodate young medical students. There's no f'ing way they didn't know what they were doing. So either through money, connections or both, it's obvious a lot of people protected him and enabled him to not only hurt people, but get away with it as well, and they should be considered just as guilty as Savile himself. I'm also curious about what this "Ninth Gate" thing is about; I googled it and found nothing. Is it related to the movie of the same name, considering it was directed by fellow notorious paedophile Roman Polanski? Basically a theory that Savile was part of an international satanic cult thatest and cannibalize kids. Ties into the Pizzagate theory. Ah, cool. Glad to see people still buy into the Satanist scare despite there being zero evidence behind it and the Church of Satan considering "harming small children" to be a deadly sin.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 13, 2019 12:43:07 GMT -5
I'm kinda with you on those, in that if we found a smoking gun, I wouldn't be that shocked. But for different reasons. With Pearl Harbour, FDR really wanted to get into the war, and while remaining neutral, the trading policy he was overseeing was pushing the definition of neutral to the breaking point. Pearl Harbour specifically I don't know what they knew, but I can't imagine he wasn't expecting some kind of attack to bring America in. They knew an attack was coming but the isolationist they are on the other side of the planet view of America took it as a threat of sabotage. That's why the boats were lined up so they could watch who was coming and going. If you expect an air raid you space them out more so if they drop 1 bomb it hits 1 Ship. FDR wanted to get into the war is truish... he wanted to join the war against GERMANY. Not get into a war with Japan which could have easily happened with the PH attack. If Germany continued their plan of ignoring America instead of Declaring war after America Declared war on Japan. There was some intelligence to the effect of that the Japanese were planning something. But all expectation was that they would either attack European colonies in Southeast Asia, which were lightly defended at the time, or that if they did strike the US that it would be in The Phillipines. That they could strike the very heart of the US navy in the Pacific seemed unthinkable for a plethora of reasons, and it was a monumental gamble that required a historic degree of planning and preparation. But there was no deliberate suppression of information to let it happen so the US would enter the war.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 12:53:28 GMT -5
Majority of my conspiracy theory beliefs revolve around celebrities faking their deaths, some involving government agencies, aliens, and certain murder mysteries.
I will say my favorite is still celebrities faking their deaths. Whether it's Elvis, Jackson, Tupac, Jim Morrison, and there's even a belief that Kurt Cobain faked his demise as well. It just creates an interesting story that ultimately makes an individual think of the scenario and have them say "What if they did?", "What if everything we've read, been told, or heard is a lie and they did fake their death?"
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 13, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -5
With most of those though ya have morgue photos etc
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 13:11:39 GMT -5
With most of those though ya have morgue photos etc Perhaps. But it is an interesting theory. The one that holds the most water for me personally is Michael Jackson. A lot of the circumstances around his death doesn't make sense, the numerous slip-ups from his family, and along with the fact that Michael talked about doing it many times in the past. The only thing that more or less keeps me from believing it 100% is I don't see him putting his kids through that.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 13, 2019 13:27:07 GMT -5
Right now, based on random shit on YouTube alone, I can't decide if Michael Jackson faked his death or was murdered by "them".
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Feb 13, 2019 13:45:00 GMT -5
All celebs who faked their deaths are happily living on Mars in Bigfoot's colony.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 13:54:39 GMT -5
Right now, based on random shit on YouTube alone, I can't decide if Michael Jackson faked his death or was murdered by "them". I am leaning more towards faking his death. This is just my opinion but I don't believe you can intentionally or accidentally kill someone of Michael Jackson's stature. It was no secret that he was exceptionally paranoid about people being after him, hence why I am having a hard time believing he would allow anyone to sedate him with a powerful sleeping agent.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 13:56:52 GMT -5
All celebs who faked their deaths are happily living on Mars in Bigfoot's colony. It's actually a serious question and one that deserves discussion. Jokes and sarcasm is fine, however, this is a topic about conspiracies/theories that we believe in and thus it creates serious discussion. Whether celebrities faking their deaths is true or not, it absolutely deserves a form of discussions into the idea that it may be a possibility. We'll never know obviously but it still is an interesting theory.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 13, 2019 14:05:03 GMT -5
All celebs who faked their deaths are happily living on Mars in Bigfoot's colony.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 13, 2019 14:48:29 GMT -5
With most of those though ya have morgue photos etc Perhaps. But it is an interesting theory. The one that holds the most water for me personally is Michael Jackson. A lot of the circumstances around his death doesn't make sense, the numerous slip-ups from his family, and along with the fact that Michael talked about doing it many times in the past. The only thing that more or less keeps me from believing it 100% is I don't see him putting his kids through that. But again, morgue photos. If they've got pictures of dude dead as a post, he's dead.
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