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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 13, 2019 14:57:16 GMT -5
Plus with Jackson, there was a full on wrongful death lawsuit against the doctor who over prescribed him that sleep medication etc. That suit doesn't go forward without Jackson being a corpse.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 13, 2019 15:01:11 GMT -5
Right now, based on random shit on YouTube alone, I can't decide if Michael Jackson faked his death or was murdered by "them". Michael Jacksonn was killed by giant ants???
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 13, 2019 15:02:23 GMT -5
Right now, based on random shit on YouTube alone, I can't decide if Michael Jackson faked his death or was murdered by "them". Michael Jacksonn was killed by giant ants??? Hey, don't drag us into this!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 13, 2019 15:05:52 GMT -5
Plus with Jackson, there was a full on wrongful death lawsuit against the doctor who over prescribed him that sleep medication etc. That suit doesn't go forward without Jackson being a corpse. Yeah, also as you said morgue photos, they showed the man body in one of the documentaries about this
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 13, 2019 16:01:34 GMT -5
Shakespeare was several people. (One of them was Shakespeare.)
....this isn't so much a conspiracy theory as it is just a historical record-keeping theory, so I dunno if it counts.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 13, 2019 16:23:11 GMT -5
Right now, based on random shit on YouTube alone, I can't decide if Michael Jackson faked his death or was murdered by "them". I am leaning more towards faking his death. This is just my opinion but I don't believe you can intentionally or accidentally kill someone of Michael Jackson's stature. It was no secret that he was exceptionally paranoid about people being after him, hence why I am having a hard time believing he would allow anyone to sedate him with a powerful sleeping agent. Too large scale of an operation to fake and to not have someone blab in 10 years - paramedics, coroners, police, the justice system, family etc.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 16:27:45 GMT -5
Perhaps. But it is an interesting theory. The one that holds the most water for me personally is Michael Jackson. A lot of the circumstances around his death doesn't make sense, the numerous slip-ups from his family, and along with the fact that Michael talked about doing it many times in the past. The only thing that more or less keeps me from believing it 100% is I don't see him putting his kids through that. But again, morgue photos. If they've got pictures of dude dead as a post, he's dead. In some cases yes, however, photos can be altered for obvious reasons. If the description of Michael Jackson in his final hours are accurate I can understand why they wouldn't show the actual real life picture of what he looked like in death. There's a reason why it's called a conspiracy theory. It's an interesting thought to say the least.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 16:31:19 GMT -5
I am leaning more towards faking his death. This is just my opinion but I don't believe you can intentionally or accidentally kill someone of Michael Jackson's stature. It was no secret that he was exceptionally paranoid about people being after him, hence why I am having a hard time believing he would allow anyone to sedate him with a powerful sleeping agent. Too large scale of an operation to fake and to not have someone blab in 10 years - paramedics, coroners, police, the justice system, family etc. That is another thing I've thought about myself. Anyone looking for a quick payday would definitely look to speak out on it. I completely understand what you're saying in that regard. As I said before, it's an interesting theory. I mean previous journal entries written by MJ have him saying he wants to disappear/fake his death and work behind the scenes as a film director, assisting poor and sick children, and building a hospital. I am not saying that's what happened I just believe that it could be a possibility. I can agree that anytime a celebrity dies there's always that "fake death" scenario popping up. Paul McCartney, Jim Morrison, John F. Kennedy, Kurt Cobain, Tupac, and so forth. Hell there's theory video on YouTube that Bill Hicks faked his death and is now Alex Jones.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 13, 2019 16:44:46 GMT -5
But again, morgue photos. If they've got pictures of dude dead as a post, he's dead. In some cases yes, however, photos can be altered for obvious reasons. If the description of Michael Jackson in his final hours are accurate I can understand why they wouldn't show the actual real life picture of what he looked like in death. There's a reason why it's called a conspiracy theory. It's an interesting thought to say the least. Again, there was a wrongful death suit filed and tried. He died. It's not interesting since it's not based on reality.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 16:46:34 GMT -5
In some cases yes, however, photos can be altered for obvious reasons. If the description of Michael Jackson in his final hours are accurate I can understand why they wouldn't show the actual real life picture of what he looked like in death. There's a reason why it's called a conspiracy theory. It's an interesting thought to say the least. Again, there was a wrongful death suit filed and tried. He died. It's not interesting since it's not based on reality. You have your opinion on it and I have mine. I am not saying it's reality 100% I just think it's probably possible that it happened. Along with the fact that his insurance policy hasn't been cashed in either. There's a lot of speculation surrounding his death and quite honestly we'll never know the full scope of it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 13, 2019 16:50:31 GMT -5
Mine isn't an opinion. There WAS a wrongful death suit filed and tried. There are photos of his body. These are facts. I don't "believe" or have an opinion there, these things occurred.
You're welcome to your opinion, but it doesn't carry any weight in relation to actual fact.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 16:58:09 GMT -5
The celebrity death hoaxes are always kind of amusing to me, because a) it’s always someone super famous where there would be no way for them to remain hidden for that long(especially nowadays) and b) they’re celebrities for a reason, they like the attention of being in the public eye no matter what they say.
The one celebrity death hoax that could have happened would be Andy Kaufman and he would have turned up by now. I think that people want to believe that their hero’s are alive and still out there as a coping mechanisms.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 17:04:22 GMT -5
Mine isn't an opinion. There WAS a wrongful death suit filed and tried. There are photos of his body. These are facts. I don't "believe" or have an opinion there, these things occurred. You're welcome to your opinion, but it doesn't carry any weight in relation to actual fact. It is what it is. Wrongful death suits have been filed and photographs have been produced. Some of those photographs you're talking about looked(at least to me) pretty fake. Like I said for me it's the theory that interests me. I've done enough research on it for me to believe that perhaps it might've happened. Here's how I look at it for me. IF it happened then he's obviously never coming back like a lot of fans believe, if he truly did die then obviously he's not coming back. Either way the belief of the theory isn't hurting anyone in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 13, 2019 17:05:48 GMT -5
The celebrity death hoaxes are always kind of amusing to me, because a) it’s always someone super famous where there would be no way for them to remain hidden for that long(especially nowadays) and b) they’re celebrities for a reason, they like the attention of being in the public eye no matter what they say. The one celebrity death hoax that could have happened would be Andy Kaufman and he would have turned up by now. I think that people want to believe that their hero’s are alive and still out there as a coping mechanisms. I've read about the Andy Kaufman death hoax theory and it's quite intriguing. Would he have really turned up by now though? If you have the money, connections, and other resources to pull it off it's not that unbelievable to stay out of the public eye for weeks, months, years, or not even coming out of hiding at all honestly.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 13, 2019 17:52:30 GMT -5
Mine isn't an opinion. There WAS a wrongful death suit filed and tried. There are photos of his body. These are facts. I don't "believe" or have an opinion there, these things occurred. You're welcome to your opinion, but it doesn't carry any weight in relation to actual fact. It is what it is. Wrongful death suits have been filed and photographs have been produced. Some of those photographs you're talking about looked(at least to me) pretty fake. Like I said for me it's the theory that interests me. I've done enough research on it for me to believe that perhaps it might've happened. Here's how I look at it for me. IF it happened then he's obviously never coming back like a lot of fans believe, if he truly did die then obviously he's not coming back. Either way the belief of the theory isn't hurting anyone in the grand scheme of things. As I said, you're free to believe it; it's just that there's no evidence at all to point to any sort of fakery. That case went to trial. That doesn't happen without a death/body. If you've done research that leads you to think dude faked his death , the sources you're using are mistaken or flat out lying. As I said, you're free to believe a kooky theory, but understand there's no basis whatever in actual fact.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 13, 2019 18:11:55 GMT -5
Yea the courts do not drag this shit without a body
As said already there is photos of his body, you really think they going fake all that shit. Or better yet his family and kids will grieve and knowing that he is dead
Just doesn’t make any sense. I mean I made the thread but you can’t deny facts
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 13, 2019 18:35:46 GMT -5
Yea the courts do not drag this shit without a body As said already there is photos of his body, you really think they going fake all that shit. Or better yet his family and kids will grieve and knowing that he is dead Just doesn’t make any sense. I mean I made the thread but you can’t deny facts Even moreso, what was left of his estate will have been passed on to his family and kids, as well as any money from the result of his death. So even if he had somehow managed to fake his death and get away with it, he'd now be living in total isolation - because Michael Jackson is not somebody who's going to blend in with the crowd - with no resources, no income, and no support. The man couldn't survive even with an army of paid helpers, so I have my doubts he'd be able to live by himself off the grid.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 13, 2019 19:15:50 GMT -5
Too large scale of an operation to fake and to not have someone blab in 10 years - paramedics, coroners, police, the justice system, family etc. That is another thing I've thought about myself. Anyone looking for a quick payday would definitely look to speak out on it. I completely understand what you're saying in that regard. As I said before, it's an interesting theory. I mean previous journal entries written by MJ have him saying he wants to disappear/fake his death and work behind the scenes as a film director, assisting poor and sick children, and building a hospital. I am not saying that's what happened I just believe that it could be a possibility. It would be really nice if that were true. Conspirators getting to him is somehow more valid. What doesn't add up is Conrad Murray's hesitation to call the paramedics for hours and then not relinquishing control to them when they arrived onsite. Is he the fall guy to some shady deal, or more likely, an incompetent doctor?
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Post by Starshine on Feb 13, 2019 21:35:19 GMT -5
Marilyn Monroe. Sure, it's well known that she abused all kinds of drugs, but given the people she was connected to and how botched the investigation was, I'm not entirely convinced it was a suicide. I buy into the theory that she OD'd while partying it up with Bobby Kennedy. Gives them every reason to accidentally screw up an investigation, and to keep it quiet. I don't think she was murdered... though I wish the theory that she was killed for knowing too much about aliens was true, cause it's so great. But unfortunately I don't buy that either.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 13, 2019 21:55:35 GMT -5
What doesn't add up is Conrad Murray's hesitation to call the paramedics for hours and then not relinquishing control to them when they arrived onsite. Is he the fall guy to some shady deal, or more likely, an incompetent doctor? According to the transcripts of the court case, Murray found Jackson unconscious a few minutes before 12pm and performed CPR himself for 5-10 minutes. He didn't call paramedics right away because he didn't know the address of the house, and had to find a member of Jackson's staff, who then found a member of Jackson's security staff, who called paramedics at 12:21pm. The paramedics arrived five minutes later, performed CPR on him for 42 minutes before taking him to hospital. There's no court record that states he "hesitated for hours" or would not relinquish control to paramedics when they arrived. He did administer CPR incorrectly, though. To be in any way effective CPR must be administered on a hard surface and chest compressions performed with both hands. Murray administered CPR on Jackson's bed, one hand bracing his back and the other performing the chest compression. That definitely raises doubts about his competency.
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