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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 12, 2019 17:09:12 GMT -5
So TNA has been alive longer than WCW and ECW (possibly put together), but has spent almost the entirety of that time in some sort of creative or commercial wilderness, or both, or sometimes both plus getting some shit super-right simultaneously (even their peak shows often had a load of strange wank on the same cards).
So, if TNA were to end tomorrow, say... was TNA, overall, good for the industry?
They've done some horrible, awful carny shit, like many promotions have - albeit on a grander stage than all but a handful of North American wrestling promotions.
Is it good they were there, for the good years, for giving some much-overlooked talents somewhere to ply their craft, for acting as a feeding ground for the current WWE midcard, for making their women's division amazing when WWE still had barely one functional female wrestler?
Is it bad they were there, because of the trail of ruined careers in their wake, their never-ending, long, slow death by a thousand viewers lost per minute of television, the jobs given to past-their-prime people and guys who were only a short-term contract and a stop-start push away from overdosing, the misuse of some of the industry's all-time greats?
Is it somewhere in the middle? Did they break even? What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 17:16:47 GMT -5
On one hand, they did give a platform to a lot of great workers who went on to bigger and better things. Who knows if Joe or AJ would be where they are now if not for that TNA exposure building their name value up with the more-than-casual-but-less-than-indie fans.
On the other, they've been pretty much completely poisonous on a TV level with how many networks they've burned and how much they've squandered and it's entirely possible that there might've been some other company more able to break through than TNA did had they been given those same opportunities.
I'm leaning net loss but it's debatable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 19:42:12 GMT -5
they give exposure to LAX types that can get more indie bookings and WWE's attention. The bad is possibly making Paramount Network and others never want to carry wrestling again
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Feb 12, 2019 20:02:15 GMT -5
They were good and to some much lesser extent of their exsistence still is a good thing just no longer to the important degree they could have been.
They filled that 3rd company niche the trifecta post MNW.
TNA , ROH , WWE
But like said they have burned so many networks that could have potentially carried wrestling that they have potentially and will do more long term harm for future companies on this level.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 12, 2019 20:36:33 GMT -5
Yes.
They elevated many names many fans otherwise wouldn't know and properly prepared a lot of guys to succeed elsewhere.
And ok yeah they also salted the earth for tv companies wanting to deal with wrestling because Dixie is Dixie and Russo is Russo, but that can be repaired.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 12, 2019 20:46:02 GMT -5
I like like it was a test bed for a lot of ideas, good and bad. Like fed said, it put a lot of guys on the map or at least increased their profile, and beyond that, it helped prove women's wrestling could indeed be a draw. The glory days of the Knockouts would not last for more than a couple of years before the meat was picked off of the bones by TNA being misogynistic cheapskates, driving quality talent away and riding the Beautiful People idea until it was dust and ash, but bigger, better things would come elsewhere in large part due to it being shown as possible.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 12, 2019 20:58:28 GMT -5
Yes. They elevated many names many fans otherwise wouldn't know and properly prepared a lot of guys to succeed elsewhere. And ok yeah they also salted the earth for tv companies wanting to deal with wrestling because Dixie is Dixie and Russo is Russo, but that can be repaired. The last paragraph is why tna was bad for wrestling in general. Because they salted the earth for anyone involved in wrestling to ever be on tv again, it’s gonna take the Khan’s reputation and billions to repair that bridge. Before Dixie and Russo you didn’t have to be a billionaire to have wrestling on tv, they killed that.
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Post by siredger on Feb 13, 2019 1:45:14 GMT -5
I'll echo the general sentiment: in terms of talent, so many of them who went through the promotion first being unknown gained a lot of exposure afterwards and some became household names. So that will always be a positive for TNA.
But the way this promotion has historically been run with the debacles of Dixie, Russo, Bischoff and yes, Jeff Jarrett, no wonder no TV station wants to have them on their schedule.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 13, 2019 3:09:42 GMT -5
Eh... yes and no...
You could make the argument it helped give people a platform... but at the same time most of the guys they gave a platform too were also already big names on the indies... like Styles, Daniels, Samoa Joe... etc.
It didn't make any of htem a household name... also I'd wager Styles, and Joe's indy and japan work si what eventually got them hired over their work in TNA.
their taking Spike TV that has been airing Wrestling since the mid 90's and take Destination America that wanted to be a big Wrestling Destination channel... and make both of them not want to do anything with wrestling at all any more speaks massively towards the damage they did to TV prospects of wrestling.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 13, 2019 10:01:43 GMT -5
Yes tna gave guys their first major exposure, but unfortunately tna also killed their drawing power.
AJ was mr TNA, but they passed him over for ex wwe guys and the less said about Claire Lynch the better.
Samoa Joe was their biggest draw ever and he was transformed into discount Umaga with a penis drawn in his face. Then ninjas...f***ing ninjas.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 13, 2019 11:15:53 GMT -5
TNA gave us Bigfoot dance party
That's kinda worth it
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Post by Rave on Feb 13, 2019 12:43:08 GMT -5
In a way, TNA poisoning the TV well for promotions who aren't either WWE or paying networks to air their programming may have helped the switch to online streaming services happen sooner than it likely would've otherwise. So technically it's a good thing. Buuuuuuuuuuuut then you have everything that happened here (language warning) and it's not such a good thing.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 13, 2019 12:49:40 GMT -5
In a way, TNA poisoning the TV well for promotions who aren't either WWE or paying networks to air their programming may have helped the switch to online streaming services happen sooner than it likely would've otherwise. So technically it's a good thing. Buuuuuuuuuuuut then you have everything that happened here (language warning) and it's not such a good thing. That’s the thing, the streaming services are not guaranteed to make you money. AAA’s numbers on twitch are abysmal, they’re lucky that they do great ratings in their tv and pull great numbers in live events. New Japan’s online streaming is just a small part of their profit. Impact gambled on a streaming service and it failed them.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 13, 2019 12:50:43 GMT -5
TNA gave us Bigfoot dance party That's kinda worth it But they didn't... that was part of their let's tape fake matches to confuse the internet
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 13, 2019 13:02:04 GMT -5
TNA gave us Bigfoot dance party That's kinda worth it But they didn't... that was part of their let's tape fake matches to confuse the internet They wasted money renting a big foot costume just to prank the iwc...
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Feb 13, 2019 13:04:19 GMT -5
In a way, TNA poisoning the TV well for promotions who aren't either WWE or paying networks to air their programming may have helped the switch to online streaming services happen sooner than it likely would've otherwise. So technically it's a good thing. Buuuuuuuuuuuut then you have everything that happened here (language warning) and it's not such a good thing. This was what I was thinking but was not sure how to word it. TNA has burned the TV land for companies on their level...and AEW's potential success kind of exaserbates that. No TV network is gonna see worth in a wrestling company that isn't getting 100s of millions pumped into it anymore and so all these TNA level and smaller companies are pushed to get their piece of the pie through the interwebz
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 13, 2019 13:09:28 GMT -5
But they didn't... that was part of their let's tape fake matches to confuse the internet They wasted money renting a big foot costume just to prank the iwc... They spent a night of their tapings with fake matches and angles.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 13, 2019 13:20:42 GMT -5
They wasted money renting a big foot costume just to prank the iwc... They spent a night of their tapings with fake matches and angles. That were more awesome and awe inspiring than what they really showed. If I remember correctly wasn't one of the matches like a Scaffold Death Match ? It would be like the WWE having an Exploding Barbed Wire Iron Man Cage Match between Becky Lynch and Ronda at a TV taping and then instead broadcasting Drew vs Ziggler in a 10 minute DQ shitfest
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 13, 2019 13:28:29 GMT -5
They spent a night of their tapings with fake matches and angles. That were more awesome and awe inspiring than what they really showed. If I remember correctly wasn't one of the matches like a Scaffold Death Match ? It would be like the WWE having an Exploding Barbed Wire Iron Man Cage Match between Becky Lynch and Ronda at a TV taping and then instead broadcasting Drew vs Ziggler in a 10 minute DQ shitfest I believe that was just an angle sett in ng up for the ppv/big event. And not the match itself
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 13, 2019 13:40:27 GMT -5
They wasted money renting a big foot costume just to prank the iwc... They spent a night of their tapings with fake matches and angles. And that’s another reason why tna/impact made wrestling worse by existing. Because they, knowingly and willingly, wasted precious money and time just to have fun and suck their own cock. They wasted money on talent, production, lighting, food, and a night at universal just because Dixie wanted to play a joke on the internet.
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