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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:44:47 GMT -5
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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 15, 2019 20:55:34 GMT -5
Wow. Also, just to point out the common misconception, the incredibly common cartridge is actually the SMB1/Duck Hunt double game cartridge. Which makes me wonder: 1. How common would any copy of a cartridge with just SMB1 be to find? 2. What would the price be for an original first-run copy of SMB1/Duck Hunt? 20 bucks tops?
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Feb 15, 2019 21:36:46 GMT -5
Wow. Also, just to point out the common misconception, the incredibly common cartridge is actually the SMB1/Duck Hunt double game cartridge. Which makes me wonder: 1. How common would any copy of a cartridge with just SMB1 be to find? 2. What would the price be for an original first-run copy of SMB1/Duck Hunt? 20 bucks tops? Not sure where you’re from but in the UK you can pick up a copy of SMB for £10 or so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 22:41:06 GMT -5
Wow. Also, just to point out the common misconception, the incredibly common cartridge is actually the SMB1/Duck Hunt double game cartridge. Which makes me wonder: 1. How common would any copy of a cartridge with just SMB1 be to find? 2. What would the price be for an original first-run copy of SMB1/Duck Hunt? 20 bucks tops? The cartridge with just SMB are just as common as Cartridge with SMB/Duck Hunt.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 16, 2019 4:11:09 GMT -5
This version of the game (with the sticker seal) is incredibly rare. It's one of those things where surviving the present day in this condition is a statistical anomaly. And not only is it absurdly, almost unthinkably rare, it is also graded by an actual, reputable grading company (that, to my knowledge, has not ever had a had a confirmed error or scam pulled on them.
It's still an insane amount of money. Though it was apparently bought by a group, not an individual. But it's not just a sealed copy of something common. It's a rarity on top of a rarity on top of another rarity that has been confirmed to be exactly what it purports to be. It's the video game equivalent of a high grade Action Comics 1, or at least Amazing Fantasy 15.
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Post by Paul on Feb 16, 2019 5:54:05 GMT -5
This reminds me of people who spent thousands on Beanie Babies convinced that they would skyrocket in value.
The likelihood is that in 10 years the market value of this game (no matter how rare) is going to plummet as older gamers age, and younger gamers have no interest in paying obscene money for older sealed games.
I wouldn't buy a rare video game as a long-term investment.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Feb 16, 2019 6:01:30 GMT -5
This reminds me of people who spent thousands on Beanie Babies convinced that they would skyrocket in value. The likelihood is that in 10 years the market value of this game (no matter how rare) is going to plummet as older gamers age, and younger gamers have no interest in paying obscene money for older sealed games. I wouldn't buy a rare video game as a long-term investment. Some people have way too much money. I think about if I had a time machine and going back and just buying all the copies of Action Comics 1 and bringing them back. Just to make it worthless. I’m petty.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 16, 2019 6:18:09 GMT -5
This reminds me of people who spent thousands on Beanie Babies convinced that they would skyrocket in value. The likelihood is that in 10 years the market value of this game (no matter how rare) is going to plummet as older gamers age, and younger gamers have no interest in paying obscene money for older sealed games. I wouldn't buy a rare video game as a long-term investment. I don't know. Beanie Babies were a flash in the pan. But video games have been mainstream-popular for decades and that doesn't look to change. People always point to things like Beanie Babies as stuff that wound up selling for hugely inflated prices and then died. But if you look at things like comic books and action figures, prices keep trending upwards on stuff that was made before "collecting" was mainstream. Look at old superhero books, key issues and the like, and you'll see that prices have climbed over time and after major jumps, many never came back down. I made a small fortune selling old Transformers (and to a lesser extent, Power Rangers) in the mid to late 2000s. Jim Cornette bought Amazing Fantasy 15 for something like $200 in the late 70's and, iirc, sold it for tens of thousands recently. New games (and wide-release figures, comics, etc) likely won't wind up being super expensive, especially long term. But stuff with major cultural significance like key old superhero books, children's toys, or yes, video games just may. And not, for example, the usual suspects like Little Samson or Stadium Events that appeal to a specific set of people of a specific age or speculators. Stuff with real cultural value. The first Superman. The first Spider-Man. The original Megatron. And, yeah, a dead-mint copy of the very first (limited) release of the very first Super Mario Bros game. Something like that has value even beyond things like prototypes, early release samples, or possibly even physical source code. The appeal of such things is limited to a very small group of people. The SMB that was sold is an example of something that WAS sold at retail in a condition that simply should not be possible in 2019. That's such a small thing to consider, but it's true. The "This is something I (or someone) could have had" factor is huge. That this thing was, or almost was, on store shelves at that point in time, and survived, untouched, to current day makes all the difference. You can probably tell, I'm kind of into this kind of stuff. So I'm super interested to see where this goes in the future. I hope the rumors of one of the CU Podcast guys buying in are true, because that'll make it much easier to follow.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 16, 2019 6:22:57 GMT -5
This reminds me of people who spent thousands on Beanie Babies convinced that they would skyrocket in value. The likelihood is that in 10 years the market value of this game (no matter how rare) is going to plummet as older gamers age, and younger gamers have no interest in paying obscene money for older sealed games. I wouldn't buy a rare video game as a long-term investment. Some people have way too much money. I think about if I had a time machine and going back and just buying all the copies of Action Comics 1 and bringing them back. Just to make it worthless. I’m petty. I forget the dude's name, but he was a Nintendo collector from before such a thing was a thing. He bought shipping boxes of old stock and was just kind of a low-key dude. A few years back, when people started waving their dicks about over owning things like "one of the only known copies" of certain sealed games, he revealed that he owned sealed *cases* of many of them (including Stadium Events) to drive home the point that there are way more of these things out there than people think. Even with THAT in mind, this particular release of SMB in this condition, graded by this agency is probably very close to unique.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Feb 16, 2019 6:52:02 GMT -5
This reminds me of people who spent thousands on Beanie Babies convinced that they would skyrocket in value. The likelihood is that in 10 years the market value of this game (no matter how rare) is going to plummet as older gamers age, and younger gamers have no interest in paying obscene money for older sealed games. I wouldn't buy a rare video game as a long-term investment. I don't know. Beanie Babies were a flash in the pan. But video games have been mainstream-popular for decades and that doesn't look to change. People always point to things like Beanie Babies as stuff that wound up selling for hugely inflated prices and then died. But if you look at things like comic books and action figures, prices keep trending upwards on stuff that was made before "collecting" was mainstream. Look at old superhero books, key issues and the like, and you'll see that prices have climbed over time and after major jumps, many never came back down. I made a small fortune selling old Transformers (and to a lesser extent, Power Rangers) in the mid to late 2000s. Jim Cornette bought Amazing Fantasy 15 for something like $200 in the late 70's and, iirc, sold it for tens of thousands recently. New games (and wide-release figures, comics, etc) likely won't wind up being super expensive, especially long term. But stuff with major cultural significance like key old superhero books, children's toys, or yes, video games just may. And not, for example, the usual suspects like Little Samson or Stadium Events that appeal to a specific set of people of a specific age or speculators. Stuff with real cultural value. The first Superman. The first Spider-Man. The original Megatron. And, yeah, a dead-mint copy of the very first (limited) release of the very first Super Mario Bros game. Something like that has value even beyond things like prototypes, early release samples, or possibly even physical source code. The appeal of such things is limited to a very small group of people. The SMB that was sold is an example of something that WAS sold at retail in a condition that simply should not be possible in 2019. That's such a small thing to consider, but it's true. The "This is something I (or someone) could have had" factor is huge. That this thing was, or almost was, on store shelves at that point in time, and survived, untouched, to current day makes all the difference. You can probably tell, I'm kind of into this kind of stuff. So I'm super interested to see where this goes in the future. I hope the rumors of one of the CU Podcast guys buying in are true, because that'll make it much easier to follow. All that stuff will eventually die. Superman isn’t gonna to survive until the end of time. Eventually the culture moves on. What makes it worth anything is what someone is willing to pay for it.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 16, 2019 6:54:26 GMT -5
This reminds me of people who spent thousands on Beanie Babies convinced that they would skyrocket in value. The likelihood is that in 10 years the market value of this game (no matter how rare) is going to plummet as older gamers age, and younger gamers have no interest in paying obscene money for older sealed games. I wouldn't buy a rare video game as a long-term investment. You say that, but older people do tend to have more money. The same could be said of Action Comics #1 The older comic readers aged, hell, most people who read it at the time aren't even alive anymore. Why would younger ones have interest in spending an obscene amount of money, especially when the story's been reprinted over the years. The Beanie babies aren't a great comparison, the bubble on that burst because everyone bought them. The ones that were actually rare did retain their value pretty among collectors. This is a super rare piece of history, it'll be worth a lot for a loooooong time.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 16, 2019 6:56:59 GMT -5
I don't know. Beanie Babies were a flash in the pan. But video games have been mainstream-popular for decades and that doesn't look to change. People always point to things like Beanie Babies as stuff that wound up selling for hugely inflated prices and then died. But if you look at things like comic books and action figures, prices keep trending upwards on stuff that was made before "collecting" was mainstream. Look at old superhero books, key issues and the like, and you'll see that prices have climbed over time and after major jumps, many never came back down. I made a small fortune selling old Transformers (and to a lesser extent, Power Rangers) in the mid to late 2000s. Jim Cornette bought Amazing Fantasy 15 for something like $200 in the late 70's and, iirc, sold it for tens of thousands recently. New games (and wide-release figures, comics, etc) likely won't wind up being super expensive, especially long term. But stuff with major cultural significance like key old superhero books, children's toys, or yes, video games just may. And not, for example, the usual suspects like Little Samson or Stadium Events that appeal to a specific set of people of a specific age or speculators. Stuff with real cultural value. The first Superman. The first Spider-Man. The original Megatron. And, yeah, a dead-mint copy of the very first (limited) release of the very first Super Mario Bros game. Something like that has value even beyond things like prototypes, early release samples, or possibly even physical source code. The appeal of such things is limited to a very small group of people. The SMB that was sold is an example of something that WAS sold at retail in a condition that simply should not be possible in 2019. That's such a small thing to consider, but it's true. The "This is something I (or someone) could have had" factor is huge. That this thing was, or almost was, on store shelves at that point in time, and survived, untouched, to current day makes all the difference. You can probably tell, I'm kind of into this kind of stuff. So I'm super interested to see where this goes in the future. I hope the rumors of one of the CU Podcast guys buying in are true, because that'll make it much easier to follow. All that stuff will eventually die. Superman isn’t gonna to survive until the end of time. Eventually the culture moves on. What makes it worth anything is what someone is willing to pay for it. True, but we're rapidly coming up on 100 years of Superman, Mickey Mouse etc. There are still stories and characters in popular use that are centuries old. Even if Mario somehow dies off in a few decades, for the purposes of these guys and these transactions, it's enough time to make it worth it.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Feb 16, 2019 7:04:28 GMT -5
All that stuff will eventually die. Superman isn’t gonna to survive until the end of time. Eventually the culture moves on. What makes it worth anything is what someone is willing to pay for it. True, but we're rapidly coming up on 100 years of Superman, Mickey Mouse etc. There are still stories and characters in popular use that are centuries old. Even if Mario somehow dies off in a few decades, for the purposes of these guys and these transactions, it's enough time to make it worth it. Well, it’s not a century old, never mind centuries. Yeah, it’s worth what people are willing to pay for it. (Sorry, misread that several times. I’ll leave my original sentence anyway) And if tomorrow 3 more guys dig their copy up because of this story, it’s worthless. Gotta be careful what you declare is gonna live forever. There’s plenty of amazing shit we have no idea about because people eventually move on.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 16, 2019 7:10:06 GMT -5
True, but we're rapidly coming up on 100 years of Superman, Mickey Mouse etc. There are still stories and characters in popular use that are centuries old. Even if Mario somehow dies off in a few decades, for the purposes of these guys and these transactions, it's enough time to make it worth it. Well, it’s not a century old, never mind centuries. Yeah, it’s worth what people are willing to pay for it. (Sorry, misread that several times. I’ll leave my original sentence anyway) And if tomorrow 3 more guys dig their copy up because of this story, it’s worthless. Gotta be careful what you declare is gonna live forever. There’s plenty of amazing shit we have no idea about because people eventually move on. Oh totally, people digging up random copies is just idiocy. Not declaring anything's going to live forever, but as a key part of the growth of a new branch of entertainment, Mario's got a pretty good chance of being relevant for at least the next few decades, if only as a piece of history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 17:54:29 GMT -5
To give people a better idea on why this game sold for so much. When Nintendo was test marketing the NES in NA, they didn't shrink wrap the game but put a sticker seal on them. So this copy survived 35+ years without getting damaged or open.
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Post by Paul on Feb 16, 2019 18:23:10 GMT -5
The only reason to buy this at that price is because you think it will increase in value over time. That is a huge gamble to take on something that has a very narrow appeal to begin with (people who collect rare classic video games who have $100k+ to spend on it). If I was going to invest $100k in something it wouldn't be this. I've seen the "value" of classic video games go up and down pretty drastically in the last 25 years.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 16, 2019 18:46:26 GMT -5
The only reason to buy this at that price is because you think it will increase in value over time. That is a huge gamble to take on something that has a very narrow appeal to begin with (people who collect rare classic video games who have $100k+ to spend on it). If I was going to invest $100k in something it wouldn't be this. I've seen the "value" of classic video games go up and down pretty drastically in the last 25 years. OK
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Post by Cyno on Feb 16, 2019 18:49:50 GMT -5
The only NES game I had worth any sort of money on the resale market was the first Mega Man. :V
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Post by Powerline on Feb 17, 2019 10:43:42 GMT -5
At least this one is slightly less confusing than when Stadium Events spiked and people started thinking their "World Class Track Meet" was insanely rare.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 17, 2019 11:08:01 GMT -5
This sort of collecting has never really appealed to me since you're never actually using the thing you're collecting. Guess I'm a little utilitarian there. That said, if that's your thing and you can afford it, great.
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