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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 24, 2019 23:19:21 GMT -5
People are overreacting to these comments. WGN aired the All In pre show with absolutely no product to show them beforehand. There wasn't even an actual promotion at that point, and they still got on tv. Do you guys really think that the same people, less than a year later, now with millions in financial backing, are not going to wind up on any tv channel whatsoever? Even Impact still has a tv show. There are local indies with tv deals. ROH is on tv and their weekly show is terrible. New Japan has a series on American tv that is just replays of older matches most fans probably already saw on NJPW World. Everything is fine, and I'm sure we'll see AEW on tv. I don't think anyone is saying Cody's comments are a sign AEW will have literally no TV presence. They mean it's not a good sign for a great, second-only-to-WWE TV deal if he's publicly downplaying the importance of having a traditional TV deal. If AEW gets a deal on the level of what ROH and Impact have, that's not a game changer in any way. Why does AEW have to have a second to WWE TV deal? They have said they're not competing with WWE. They are just starting a company that will be what they think fans want to see. Yet... they constantly get this weird "well they can't compete with WWE if..". People are making them compete, and then critiquing them if they dont hit some sort of benchmark of competing with WWE. Ive said it before, Vince McMahon has wrestling fans conditioned that unless you are ar war with WWE and following their business model, you are not successful. Why cant they just do what they want? Sell out arenas, make youtube episodes, sell T shirts, experiment? No, they HAVE to have a better TV deal than ROH, they HAVE to sign their stars away, they HAVE to whatever. Maybe they just dont care? |
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Post by cjh on Feb 25, 2019 0:46:51 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying Cody's comments are a sign AEW will have literally no TV presence. They mean it's not a good sign for a great, second-only-to-WWE TV deal if he's publicly downplaying the importance of having a traditional TV deal. If AEW gets a deal on the level of what ROH and Impact have, that's not a game changer in any way. Why does AEW have to have a second to WWE TV deal? They have said they're not competing with WWE. They are just starting a company that will be what they think fans want to see. Yet... they constantly get this weird "well they can't compete with WWE if..". People are making them compete, and then critiquing them if they dont hit some sort of benchmark of competing with WWE. Ive said it before, Vince McMahon has wrestling fans conditioned that unless you are ar war with WWE and following their business model, you are not successful. Why cant they just do what they want? Sell out arenas, make youtube episodes, sell T shirts, experiment? No, they HAVE to have a better TV deal than ROH, they HAVE to sign their stars away, they HAVE to whatever. Maybe they just dont care? There are plenty of alternatives to WWE already if you just want some non-WWE pro wrestling to watch. There is not another U.S. promotion actually on WWE's level like WCW was 20 years ago, and fans are hopeful AEW will fill that role. |
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 25, 2019 0:49:05 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying Cody's comments are a sign AEW will have literally no TV presence. They mean it's not a good sign for a great, second-only-to-WWE TV deal if he's publicly downplaying the importance of having a traditional TV deal. If AEW gets a deal on the level of what ROH and Impact have, that's not a game changer in any way. Why does AEW have to have a second to WWE TV deal? They have said they're not competing with WWE. They are just starting a company that will be what they think fans want to see. Yet... they constantly get this weird "well they can't compete with WWE if..". People are making them compete, and then critiquing them if they dont hit some sort of benchmark of competing with WWE. Ive said it before, Vince McMahon has wrestling fans conditioned that unless you are ar war with WWE and following their business model, you are not successful. Why cant they just do what they want? Sell out arenas, make youtube episodes, sell T shirts, experiment? No, they HAVE to have a better TV deal than ROH, they HAVE to sign their stars away, they HAVE to whatever. Maybe they just dont care? Tony Khan himself said they want to be another high-budget wrestling company like WWE. They’re looking to make a major splash. |
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Post by corndog on Feb 25, 2019 4:25:14 GMT -5
Considering how much they are spending on talent, AEW needs a tv deal. I don't know why people are mentioning MLW, they have a tv deal on Bein Sports.
Cody probably thought they would get big money and a strong time slot on a major network, but they will most likely have to pay for that. Crockett paid for the TBS deal and it was the right move, business exploded. In fact, for the longest time, wrestling always paid to be on tv because it built their product. The only reason WWE is getting so much more money for tv is because they are a proven commodity. AEW has no background, so they have to start from scratch and are not getting some multi million dollar deal in their first shot.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 25, 2019 10:06:02 GMT -5
Considering how much they are spending on talent, AEW needs a tv deal. I don't know why people are mentioning MLW, they have a tv deal on Bein Sports. Cody probably thought they would get big money and a strong time slot on a major network, but they will most likely have to pay for that. Crockett paid for the TBS deal and it was the right move, business exploded. In fact, for the longest time, wrestling always paid to be on tv because it built their product. The only reason WWE is getting so much more money for tv is because they are a proven commodity. AEW has no background, so they have to start from scratch and are not getting some multi million dollar deal in their first shot. I still feel like they will be getting a deal to be on a big station (and getting paid by the station for it). |
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Post by corndog on Feb 25, 2019 12:43:15 GMT -5
Considering how much they are spending on talent, AEW needs a tv deal. I don't know why people are mentioning MLW, they have a tv deal on Bein Sports. Cody probably thought they would get big money and a strong time slot on a major network, but they will most likely have to pay for that. Crockett paid for the TBS deal and it was the right move, business exploded. In fact, for the longest time, wrestling always paid to be on tv because it built their product. The only reason WWE is getting so much more money for tv is because they are a proven commodity. AEW has no background, so they have to start from scratch and are not getting some multi million dollar deal in their first shot. I still feel like they will be getting a deal to be on a big station (and getting paid by the station for it). Not saying it won't happen, but I am wondering if Cody was just expecting more. Just saying they need tv to get to the next level and be able to sustain their high costs. They have pretty much maxed out their fan appeal on YouTube and I can't see them broadening their reach outside of hardcore wrestling fans without getting a solid tv deal. |
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 25, 2019 21:16:11 GMT -5
Why does AEW have to have a second to WWE TV deal? They have said they're not competing with WWE. They are just starting a company that will be what they think fans want to see. Yet... they constantly get this weird "well they can't compete with WWE if..". People are making them compete, and then critiquing them if they dont hit some sort of benchmark of competing with WWE. Ive said it before, Vince McMahon has wrestling fans conditioned that unless you are ar war with WWE and following their business model, you are not successful. Why cant they just do what they want? Sell out arenas, make youtube episodes, sell T shirts, experiment? No, they HAVE to have a better TV deal than ROH, they HAVE to sign their stars away, they HAVE to whatever. Maybe they just dont care? There are plenty of alternatives to WWE already if you just want some non-WWE pro wrestling to watch. There is not another U.S. promotion actually on WWE's level like WCW was 20 years ago, and fans are hopeful AEW will fill that role. I want them to be an alternative too, but this is fan projection. They have a plan and for people to say "They're less then this or that without TV" is fans making them something theyre not. |
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Post by cjh on Feb 25, 2019 21:31:38 GMT -5
There are plenty of alternatives to WWE already if you just want some non-WWE pro wrestling to watch. There is not another U.S. promotion actually on WWE's level like WCW was 20 years ago, and fans are hopeful AEW will fill that role. I want them to be an alternative too, but this is fan projection. They have a plan and for people to say "They're less then this or that without TV" is fans making them something theyre not. They can do what they want, but there are fans who want a genuine competitor to WWE and believe AEW is the best chance of getting it. That will require a TV deal and a really good one. Without it, there is going to be disappointment, and that's just the reality of the situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 21:48:30 GMT -5
I mean, at least personally speaking if AEW doesn't end up with some level of TV deal I probably won't even bother following them.
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Post by markymark on Feb 25, 2019 23:18:08 GMT -5
I mean, at least personally speaking if AEW doesn't end up with some level of TV deal I probably won't even bother following them. It would also kill Meltzer career as wrestling journalist, no one would take him seriously again. |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 26, 2019 0:49:30 GMT -5
I mean, at least personally speaking if AEW doesn't end up with some level of TV deal I probably won't even bother following them. It would also kill Meltzer career as wrestling journalist, no one would take him seriously again. No chance this would affect Meltz in the slightest. Those that do take him seriously wouldn't hinge their opinion of his credibility on getting one thing wrong (because if they did they wouldn't take him serious to begin with, he doesn't have a perfect batting average as it stands). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 2:03:49 GMT -5
"Having a TV show" doesn't mean the same thing in 2019 as it did in 1999. It's nice, but absolutely not necessary. PWG does better business in California than Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. Paragon Pro, Ring Warriors, MLW, etc. haven't drawn big crowds due to "being on TV" massively expanding their fan base. ROH still struggles to crack 1,000 for some shows. TV isn't everything, its about the product, and fan interest. With just YouTube, All In drew 11,000+ and Double Or Nothing has sold 15,000+. Nobody with TV has done that in the United States in decades except WWE, and the New Japan/ROH MSG show. Hell, Impact had Spike TV and Hulk Hogan, etc. and couldn't draw more than 8,000 people to its biggest shows.
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Post by 111111 on Feb 26, 2019 6:46:54 GMT -5
I mean, at least personally speaking if AEW doesn't end up with some level of TV deal I probably won't even bother following them. It would also kill Meltzer career as wrestling journalist, no one would take him seriously again. People took Meltzer seriously to begin with? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 7:10:12 GMT -5
I hope they get a good TV deal. I fear people won't take them seriously without one and it will end up just capping off with the main hardcore fans who follow things like NJPW and the indie scenes already.
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Post by corndog on Feb 26, 2019 13:38:25 GMT -5
I mean, at least personally speaking if AEW doesn't end up with some level of TV deal I probably won't even bother following them. It would also kill Meltzer career as wrestling journalist, no one would take him seriously again. He's already been hurting himself by being such a mark for the Elite. I don't dislike Meltzer and I want AEW to succeed, but when he reported the New Japan locker room was unhappy in September, while being in high spirits just a month earlier during the G1 Climax, he exposed himself as being worked by the Elite. Add Tama Tonga calling them out into the mix and it later being exposed that AEW was already in the works at that point. So it's pretty clear Meltzer is all aboard the AEW train, sink or swim, and if it fails expect lots of smarmy retorts on Twitter from him. |
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