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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 25, 2019 15:43:59 GMT -5
Lol bro, Vince Russo discusses this bro
Vince is convinced it's a shoot! Stevie Richard's thinks they are all a bunch of liars! Bin compares Neverland to WWE! Razorfist argues facts vs emotions !
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 26, 2019 3:17:09 GMT -5
I support these guys for their cooperation in the documentary. The after effect of child abuse doesn't magically disappear because the abuser is dead.
And I'm not surprised people find MJ guilty based on this. Innocent until proven guilty works fine in the court system but the general public hardly lives by it.
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Post by hassanchop on Mar 26, 2019 3:37:31 GMT -5
Lol bro, Vince Russo discusses this bro Bin compares Neverland to WWE! So when Vince finally croaks, will we have a Leaving Titan Towers documentary? And will this be the guy they interview?
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Post by Paul on Mar 26, 2019 13:39:11 GMT -5
These kids were so traumatized that they did nothing for over 10 years. Yup...
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Post by realist on Mar 26, 2019 13:43:49 GMT -5
The thing that gets me is this: if these guys are telling the truth (big if), Wade Robson helped to deny justice to other victims with his lying testimony.
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Post by King Boo on Mar 26, 2019 14:55:57 GMT -5
You can't project how you think someone "should" behave onto them. Everyone is different; not every young boy is going to be as brave as Jordy Chandler, or as capable of understanding the problem with what's happening. Wade Robson was five years old when he met Michael. Five. Five years old is Kindergarten, when kids are first learning to read. That is a child so young, any number of things will affect their psyche and form who they are. I'd wager to say that a child who speaks up is rarer than one who doesn't, in which case it makes total sense that it would take until adulthood for others to realize and admit what happened.
No one wants something like this to be true for a litany of reasons, but it's unfair to expect everyone to behave the same way in any circumstance, let alone an abusive one. Human beings just aren't like that.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Mar 26, 2019 17:26:41 GMT -5
This never would have happened to Miracle Johnson.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 26, 2019 17:52:09 GMT -5
You can't project how you think someone "should" behave onto them. Everyone is different; not every young boy is going to be as brave as Jordy Chandler, or as capable of understanding the problem with what's happening. Wade Robson was five years old when he met Michael. Five. Five years old is Kindergarten, when kids are first learning to read. That is a child so young, any number of things will affect their psyche and form who they are. I'd wager to say that a child who speaks up is rarer than one who doesn't, in which case it makes total sense that it would take until adulthood for others to realize and admit what happened. No one wants something like this to be true for a litany of reasons, but it's unfair to expect everyone to behave the same way in any circumstance, let alone an abusive one. Human beings just aren't like that. Plus, the abused sticking up for their abusers is in no way an uncommon phenomenon. Take the kid being that young, add in the fact the he undoubtedly idolized Jackson, then add the shame and confusion that would come with being abused by that same idol. Who's to say how a kid would react when dealing with all that if it did happen? Dude might be lying, hopefully he is. But coming forward now isn't as simple as "why didn't he say something then?" And if it did happen to him, he's in no way responsible for more victims. The sole bad guy in story--if something happened--is Jackson.
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Post by hassanchop on Mar 27, 2019 20:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by Paul on Mar 27, 2019 20:50:14 GMT -5
Yup. This has been known about him for years- long before he died. He was influenced in his thinking by the people he associated with.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 27, 2019 21:11:45 GMT -5
You can't project how you think someone "should" behave onto them. Everyone is different; not every young boy is going to be as brave as Jordy Chandler, or as capable of understanding the problem with what's happening. Wade Robson was five years old when he met Michael. Five. Five years old is Kindergarten, when kids are first learning to read. That is a child so young, any number of things will affect their psyche and form who they are. I'd wager to say that a child who speaks up is rarer than one who doesn't, in which case it makes total sense that it would take until adulthood for others to realize and admit what happened. No one wants something like this to be true for a litany of reasons, but it's unfair to expect everyone to behave the same way in any circumstance, let alone an abusive one. Human beings just aren't like that. Plus, the abused sticking up for their abusers is in no way an uncommon phenomenon. Take the kid being that young, add in the fact the he undoubtedly idolized Jackson, then add the shame and confusion that would come with being abused by that same idol. Who's to say how a kid would react when dealing with all that if it did happen? Dude might be lying, hopefully he is. But coming forward now isn't as simple as "why didn't he say something then?" And if it did happen to him, he's in no way responsible for more victims. The sole bad guy in story--if something happened--is Jackson. In my personal situation, I get worse than "why didn't you tell the police?". I get told that I have to have been lying because I didn't visit violence upon my abuser, because that's what they would have done. Mind you, I was older than 5...
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 27, 2019 21:21:15 GMT -5
That sucks, sorry to hear that.
As far as Jackson and anti-Semitic stuff, doubt many can say for sure but&the Jewish slur lyric in They Don't Really Care About Us came across to me like he was using it as something one should not say...probably still a bit tone deaf to use it. People don't really think about context when it comes to slurs. As has been pointed out though, that wasn't his only incident of that sorta thing.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 27, 2019 22:49:26 GMT -5
I’m watching it right now matter of fact.
It’s very tough to watch.
The families reactions are what gets me the most.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 27, 2019 22:54:10 GMT -5
If they’re indeed telling the truth, I wish they would’ve admitted it on the trial, like mentioned above, they could’ve potentially saved people from abuse.
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Post by Paul on Mar 28, 2019 0:10:00 GMT -5
If they’re indeed telling the truth, I wish they would’ve admitted it on the trial, like mentioned above, they could’ve potentially saved people from abuse. They were either lying before (under oath) or they're lying now. It's easier to lie when you aren't under oath and at risk of being punished for it.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 28, 2019 0:33:17 GMT -5
I strongly stand by my belief that they're lying. People can side with Robson and Safechuck all they want to, however, I am a believer in facts and I have the ability to form my own opinion without some quick cash grab of a "documentary". As many people have already stated if they were going through abuse at that time they could've mentioned all of this when he was alive.
They could've exposed him then in actuality instead they decided to strongly defend his name, his legacy, and his love of children. I don't buy for one second that they were groomed, brainwashed, or didn't know right from wrong. My opinion? It's nothing more than a distraction from the real life issues going on in the world today. Notice you don't hear about Weinstein, Singer, or Brett Ratner anymore? Now they're focusing on Michael by removing his songs from the radio, accusing him of anti-Semitism, and literally doing everything in their power to slander his name instead of asking the real questions.
Someone should ask Oprah how come she's not interviewing the victims of her best friend Weinstein. Where was she saying "Look beyond the executive of Weinstein and stand up for the victims."
Better yet how come people in this thread aren't asking the real questions and researching facts instead of a one sided "documentary"?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 28, 2019 0:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 28, 2019 0:40:59 GMT -5
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 28, 2019 1:22:57 GMT -5
You guys get that these two were children back then right? Y'all keep acting like they were grown men back then and "if it was true, they shoulda done this or they wouldn't have done that."
Maybe, maybe not. But these were kids. They couldn't possibly have the cognitive abilities of adults yet cuz they weren't adults. People have said 'oh Michael was a child in a man's body' to excuse his behavior while not giving the same pass to what were actually children.
Besides, I don't think anyone saying "I'm not sure what happened" is basing that on one documentary. Michael's kooky, inappropriate behavior was WELL documented. And again, even if there was no abuse, dude was inappropriate with kids. That's inarguable no matter what YouTube vid ya watch.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 28, 2019 1:53:21 GMT -5
Also Weinstein doesn't have anything whatever to do with this. Him being a rapist etc is pretty well known given he's facing charges for it. But that has no bearing whatever on whether or not Jackson did anything. That's an odd bit of whataboutism. 'What about Harvey Weinstein?' 'Apparently dude was a monster.'
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