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Post by chrom on May 20, 2019 6:49:46 GMT -5
Liger has been announced for the Dallas show
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 20, 2019 7:07:28 GMT -5
Liger has been announced for the Dallas show Any confirmation if he's just in a match on the Dallas card, or actually in one of the blocks? If its the latter, he ain't winning obviously but hopefully he could at least pick up a couple of pins.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 20, 2019 8:09:29 GMT -5
Liger has been announced for the Dallas show Any confirmation if he's just in a match on the Dallas card, or actually in one of the blocks? If its the latter, he ain't winning obviously but hopefully he could at least pick up a couple of pins. Nah, if Liger's done with BoSJ there's no way he's doing G1. They already have a glut of options for the two blocks, anyway, and Liger already mostly went out on his shield with his final Super Junior run.
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Post by corndog on May 20, 2019 10:52:44 GMT -5
Any confirmation if he's just in a match on the Dallas card, or actually in one of the blocks? If its the latter, he ain't winning obviously but hopefully he could at least pick up a couple of pins. Nah, if Liger's done with BoSJ there's no way he's doing G1. They already have a glut of options for the two blocks, anyway, and Liger already mostly went out on his shield with his final Super Junior run. He only won the Taichi match if I remember correctly.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 20, 2019 12:53:30 GMT -5
Nah, if Liger's done with BoSJ there's no way he's doing G1. They already have a glut of options for the two blocks, anyway, and Liger already mostly went out on his shield with his final Super Junior run. He only won the Taichi match if I remember correctly. Yeah, it was his final match and it made sure that Taichi wouldn't win their block, pretty beautiful booking. Think that was the tournament that gave us the legendary Taichi vs. TAKA match that I still laugh over to this day.
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Post by ANuclearError on May 20, 2019 13:06:57 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm just happy someone finally won with the goddamn briefcase. If Tanahashi had lost, it would have COMPLETELY killed the credibility of the tournament as a concept. As for predictions, I'm going to say SANADA beats Okada, Sabre gets one of those big wins in a match in the tournament like he often seems to, maybe over White or Naito, and I have Naito as winning the G1. Could see Jay pulling the cheating bullshit again, if only because it'd make whoever eliminates him from being able to win get that much more of pop for spoiling his chances. It also would bug me less if we don't also have Tama shitting the place up again by doing the same thing, only less interesting, so i am relieved he's asking to not be part of the tournament this year. We may still have to deal with him if Fale's in, but that bugs me a bit less.
I'm not sure if that's the case, at least in Japan. I think the Japanese audience sees the G1 and the briefcase as two distinctly different things, the latter only really becoming a thing in Gedo's tenure. I think this resulted in the western audience more closely connecting the two together.
It would take about 3 quite obviously wrong winners in a row for the tournament to take a proper hit.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 20, 2019 13:33:21 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm just happy someone finally won with the goddamn briefcase. If Tanahashi had lost, it would have COMPLETELY killed the credibility of the tournament as a concept. As for predictions, I'm going to say SANADA beats Okada, Sabre gets one of those big wins in a match in the tournament like he often seems to, maybe over White or Naito, and I have Naito as winning the G1. Could see Jay pulling the cheating bullshit again, if only because it'd make whoever eliminates him from being able to win get that much more of pop for spoiling his chances. It also would bug me less if we don't also have Tama shitting the place up again by doing the same thing, only less interesting, so i am relieved he's asking to not be part of the tournament this year. We may still have to deal with him if Fale's in, but that bugs me a bit less. I'm not sure if that's the case, at least in Japan. I think the Japanese audience sees the G1 and the briefcase as two distinctly different things, the latter only really becoming a thing in Gedo's tenure. I think this resulted in the western audience more closely connecting the two together.
It would take about 3 quite obviously wrong winners in a row for the tournament to take a proper hit.
That's true, and admittedly it's a reason why I'd like them to ditch the briefcase. Give G1 this much: it's a grueling tournament, and in kayfabe it's not easy to book a "fluke" winner of something that tough, so I get attaching a main event spot at the biggest card of the year to it; in that regard it's leagues above the Royal Rumble, which is a gimmick match based on chaos and chance, which SHOULD allow for weird, quirky, unpredictable winners yet gets that same title shot stipulation added to it, anyway, thus negating the chances of +90% of the roster to win. But even with it working better as a method of selecting a top contender, the range of options for G1 winners remains limited, since they're not going to want to give the Tokyo Dome title shot to somebody they don't think can help them sell as many tickets as humanly possible; this isn't Wrestlemania, where the name of the show alone can just about sell a venue out regardless of who's in the main event, so over the past number of years the realistic options have been restricted to Tanahashi, Nakamura, Okada, and Naito, with Omega being the one exception since they used G1 to solidify his main event rise. I get booking your top talents to win your biggest prizes to keep them as prestigious as possible, but at some point it'd be nice to have a less expected winner (e.g. someone like Ishii, Suzuki, Sabre, etc.), or to see somebody else get the treatment Omega got, to have a G1 win solidify their rise (e.g. the type of spot Ibushi could be in). So long as winning the tournament is tied to the WK title match spot and so long as Gedo remains loathe to have his G1 winner drop the briefcase at King of Pro Wrestling or any other tour between August and January, that won't likely happen.
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Post by ANuclearError on May 20, 2019 13:37:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure if that's the case, at least in Japan. I think the Japanese audience sees the G1 and the briefcase as two distinctly different things, the latter only really becoming a thing in Gedo's tenure. I think this resulted in the western audience more closely connecting the two together.
It would take about 3 quite obviously wrong winners in a row for the tournament to take a proper hit.
That's true, and admittedly it's a reason why I'd like them to ditch the briefcase. Give G1 this much: it's a grueling tournament, and in kayfabe it's not easy to book a "fluke" winner of something that tough, so I get attaching a main event spot at the biggest card of the year to it; in that regard it's leagues above the Royal Rumble, which is a gimmick match based on chaos and chance, which SHOULD allow for weird, quirky, unpredictable winners yet gets that same title shot stipulation added to it, anyway, thus negating the chances of +90% of the roster to win. But even with it working better as a method of selecting a top contender, the range of options for G1 winners remains limited, since they're not going to want to give the Tokyo Dome title shot to somebody they don't think can help them sell as many tickets as humanly possible; this isn't Wrestlemania, where the name of the show alone can just about sell a venue out regardless of who's in the main event, so over the past number of years the realistic options have been restricted to Tanahashi, Nakamura, Okada, and Naito, with Omega being the one exception since they used G1 to solidify his main event rise. I get booking your top talents to win your biggest prizes to keep them as prestigious as possible, but at some point it'd be nice to have a less expected winner (e.g. someone like Ishii, Suzuki, Sabre, etc.), or to see somebody else get the treatment Omega got, to have a G1 win solidify their rise (e.g. the type of spot Ibushi could be in). So long as winning the tournament is tied to the WK title match spot and so long as Gedo remains loathe to have his G1 winner drop the briefcase at King of Pro Wrestling or any other tour between August and January, that won't likely happen.
I think that having the IWGP Champion win the tournament would be a good way to give a bit of runway and a new bit of intrigue in it.
I mean hell, imagine this next year: Ibushi wins the G1 as IWGP Champion, giving him the right to choose a challenger for the Dome. And he chooses Kenny... (whose AEW commitments conveniently make him unavailable for the G1 itself).
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 20, 2019 14:07:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure if that's the case, at least in Japan. I think the Japanese audience sees the G1 and the briefcase as two distinctly different things, the latter only really becoming a thing in Gedo's tenure. I think this resulted in the western audience more closely connecting the two together.
It would take about 3 quite obviously wrong winners in a row for the tournament to take a proper hit.
That's true, and admittedly it's a reason why I'd like them to ditch the briefcase. Give G1 this much: it's a grueling tournament, and in kayfabe it's not easy to book a "fluke" winner of something that tough, so I get attaching a main event spot at the biggest card of the year to it; in that regard it's leagues above the Royal Rumble, which is a gimmick match based on chaos and chance, which SHOULD allow for weird, quirky, unpredictable winners yet gets that same title shot stipulation added to it, anyway, thus negating the chances of +90% of the roster to win. But even with it working better as a method of selecting a top contender, the range of options for G1 winners remains limited, since they're not going to want to give the Tokyo Dome title shot to somebody they don't think can help them sell as many tickets as humanly possible; this isn't Wrestlemania, where the name of the show alone can just about sell a venue out regardless of who's in the main event, so over the past number of years the realistic options have been restricted to Tanahashi, Nakamura, Okada, and Naito, with Omega being the one exception since they used G1 to solidify his main event rise. I get booking your top talents to win your biggest prizes to keep them as prestigious as possible, but at some point it'd be nice to have a less expected winner (e.g. someone like Ishii, Suzuki, Sabre, etc.), or to see somebody else get the treatment Omega got, to have a G1 win solidify their rise (e.g. the type of spot Ibushi could be in). So long as winning the tournament is tied to the WK title match spot and so long as Gedo remains loathe to have his G1 winner drop the briefcase at King of Pro Wrestling or any other tour between August and January, that won't likely happen. Over the years they've basically used it to solidify the main event for WK The first Naito win and the Goto win were win they tried outside the box and neither really caught on
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 14:12:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm just happy someone finally won with the goddamn briefcase. If Tanahashi had lost, it would have COMPLETELY killed the credibility of the tournament as a concept. As for predictions, I'm going to say SANADA beats Okada, Sabre gets one of those big wins in a match in the tournament like he often seems to, maybe over White or Naito, and I have Naito as winning the G1. Could see Jay pulling the cheating bullshit again, if only because it'd make whoever eliminates him from being able to win get that much more of pop for spoiling his chances. It also would bug me less if we don't also have Tama shitting the place up again by doing the same thing, only less interesting, so i am relieved he's asking to not be part of the tournament this year. We may still have to deal with him if Fale's in, but that bugs me a bit less. I'm not sure if that's the case, at least in Japan. I think the Japanese audience sees the G1 and the briefcase as two distinctly different things, the latter only really becoming a thing in Gedo's tenure. I think this resulted in the western audience more closely connecting the two together.
It would take about 3 quite obviously wrong winners in a row for the tournament to take a proper hit.
I get that, and it is still an honor to win the tournament, but Japanese fans can still lose faith in a concept if it's years and years of setting the challenger up for failure.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 20, 2019 14:13:40 GMT -5
That's true, and admittedly it's a reason why I'd like them to ditch the briefcase. Give G1 this much: it's a grueling tournament, and in kayfabe it's not easy to book a "fluke" winner of something that tough, so I get attaching a main event spot at the biggest card of the year to it; in that regard it's leagues above the Royal Rumble, which is a gimmick match based on chaos and chance, which SHOULD allow for weird, quirky, unpredictable winners yet gets that same title shot stipulation added to it, anyway, thus negating the chances of +90% of the roster to win. But even with it working better as a method of selecting a top contender, the range of options for G1 winners remains limited, since they're not going to want to give the Tokyo Dome title shot to somebody they don't think can help them sell as many tickets as humanly possible; this isn't Wrestlemania, where the name of the show alone can just about sell a venue out regardless of who's in the main event, so over the past number of years the realistic options have been restricted to Tanahashi, Nakamura, Okada, and Naito, with Omega being the one exception since they used G1 to solidify his main event rise. I get booking your top talents to win your biggest prizes to keep them as prestigious as possible, but at some point it'd be nice to have a less expected winner (e.g. someone like Ishii, Suzuki, Sabre, etc.), or to see somebody else get the treatment Omega got, to have a G1 win solidify their rise (e.g. the type of spot Ibushi could be in). So long as winning the tournament is tied to the WK title match spot and so long as Gedo remains loathe to have his G1 winner drop the briefcase at King of Pro Wrestling or any other tour between August and January, that won't likely happen.
I think that having the IWGP Champion win the tournament would be a good way to give a bit of runway and a new bit of intrigue in it.
I mean hell, imagine this next year: Ibushi wins the G1 as IWGP Champion, giving him the right to choose a challenger for the Dome. And he chooses Kenny... (whose AEW commitments conveniently make him unavailable for the G1 itself).
I think Sasaki was the last one to win the G1 while holding the IWGP title Omega had a legit chance to do it last year as he had no real challengers since they weren't going to have Naito win it back to back years and he just beat Okada for the title.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 20, 2019 15:41:05 GMT -5
I'll share my block predictions from brainstorming last month. I see Cobb replacing Shingo at this point even though I hope they spoil us
A Block:
Hiroshi Tanahashi Tetsuya Naito Jay White Zack Sabre Jr. Hirooki Goto Tomohiro Ishii EVIL Juice Robinson Taichi YOSHI-HASHI
B Block:
Kazuchika Okada Kota Ibushi Minoru Suzuki SANADA Will Ospreay Shingo Takagi Bad Luck Fale Togi Makabe Toru Yano David Finlay
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Post by chrom on May 27, 2019 7:49:53 GMT -5
Sanada and Evil announced for Dallas
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Post by Convoy on May 28, 2019 22:40:20 GMT -5
Ishii and Cobb were just confirmed for the Dallas show. Not necessarily for the G1 tournament itself, but I could see them both being competitors.
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Post by chrom on May 29, 2019 1:18:21 GMT -5
Good to hear Cobb will likely be in it
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 30, 2019 11:09:39 GMT -5
Will Ospreay has expressed interest in making a G1 appearance as a Junior Heavyweight.
Also am I the only one who thinks Jushin Liger getting a G1 spot would be something special? I mean just think about it: The Greatest Junior Heavyweight to ever live competing in a tournament for the chance to compete for the heavyweight crown in his final match. Could you imagine how invested the crowd would be in a run like that?
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Post by chrom on Jun 2, 2019 22:38:16 GMT -5
Tanahashi, Juice Robinson and Lance Archer announced for Dallas
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 3, 2019 19:32:23 GMT -5
Tanahashi, Juice Robinson and Lance Archer announced for Dallas Doubt he'll be in G1 proper, but it's official: Dallas is coming to Dallas.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 3, 2019 19:54:49 GMT -5
Well they are making sure to load up that Dallas card
Should get official announcements after Dominion this week
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 3, 2019 20:13:40 GMT -5
Last two weeks or so they have been running ads during Raw and SmackDown, at least on Dish. Putting over the history over the tournament, how tough it is and history being made by being in Dallas.
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