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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 19:58:38 GMT -5
No, because you’re bouncing between several ones at once. You’re saying it’s doing a good job because it’s getting a reaction despite the fact TV ratings have plunged since January further than ever. Then you say said reaction doesn’t really matter because they’ve already sold out WrestleMania so coming up with a story doesn’t matter even though said crowd reaction means that it’s working? Like, you’re bouncing between those two things. It literally can’t be both, because for all the talk about this forum or Twitter or whatever, this storyline along with others is affecting the most important figure of all which is TV ratings. I’m preemptively jumping out of this discussion because I know where this is going, I’ve made my point so I’m good. Let me simplify since statements can never go without unnecessary argument anymore In order of events. 1) crowds began turning on Rhonda. 2) Rhonda gets owned in social media by Becky. Responds by breaking kayfabe. 3) receives negative reaction because Russo levels of dumb to some people. 4) she goes full heel with breaking kayfabe character. Releases shirt and makes above anoyed fans more pissed off Therefore it’s an effective tool to get justifiable heat in wwe eyes the crowd didn’t turn Rhonda heel. They did and it’s all according to plan. 5)People argued why that’s dumb story needs to be better. Build needs to be better. 6) I point out tix are already sold. Mania sells itself. They don’t need to have good anything anymore. Never said shit about ratings. I openly and vocally don’t watch this trash. Good? I think you're missing the distinction between being pissed at Ronda and just criticizing WWE for fubar'ing the program. There are a few people here who might genuinely be angry at Ronda, but I think the vast majority are directing their criticism toward creative. I've never liked Ronda but I actually feel sorry for her because WWE and Becky have made her look like a legit fool. Yes, it's true that Ronda hasn't helped herself at all, but the fact remains that Ronda isn't a great heel that's pissing people off with her antics. She's a f***ing basketcase and her antics are embarrassing to herself and to WWE, whether or not either of those parties are aware.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 20, 2019 20:44:13 GMT -5
No, because you’re bouncing between several ones at once. You’re saying it’s doing a good job because it’s getting a reaction despite the fact TV ratings have plunged since January further than ever. Then you say said reaction doesn’t really matter because they’ve already sold out WrestleMania so coming up with a story doesn’t matter even though said crowd reaction means that it’s working? Like, you’re bouncing between those two things. It literally can’t be both, because for all the talk about this forum or Twitter or whatever, this storyline along with others is affecting the most important figure of all which is TV ratings. I’m preemptively jumping out of this discussion because I know where this is going, I’ve made my point so I’m good. Let me simplify since statements can never go without unnecessary argument anymore In order of events. 1) crowds began turning on Rhonda. 2) Rhonda gets owned in social media by Becky. Responds by breaking kayfabe. 3) receives negative reaction because Russo levels of dumb to some people. 4) she goes full heel with breaking kayfabe character. Releases shirt and makes above anoyed fans more pissed off Therefore it’s an effective tool to get justifiable heat in wwe eyes the crowd didn’t turn Rhonda heel. They did and it’s all according to plan. 5)People argued why that’s dumb story needs to be better. Build needs to be better. 6) I point out tix are already sold. Mania sells itself. They don’t need to have good anything anymore. Never said shit about ratings. I openly and vocally don’t watch this trash. Good? Maybe it's not that "statements can never go without unnecessary argument anymore" and more that nobody is really able to follow the logic train even when you lay it out in super simple terms. But beyond that, if you "openly and vocally don't watch this trash" then where is this idea everyone'll just keep watching anyway come from? As far as I can tell the only argument being made here is that it's effective because WWE had a plan and executed it, and literally nothing else. If the fans think it's a dumb story they're not reacting right and it's not effectively telling that. If it's not selling the show, it's failing to draw money. So what is it effective at beyond WWE having steps and following those steps. If it is making people want to catch the show less and cooling off its main event, that's a bad thing. And if everyone's left sitting around scratching their heads reading your post and trying to find ways to parse it that aren't what you mean it's possible you're not presenting your case well or that your case is full of holes.
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Post by ssdrivin on Mar 20, 2019 21:50:03 GMT -5
I see some mentions of "being heel by breaking kayfabe" or "she's just using real life to get over" and stuff, but the question occurs to me...
Is it Ronda Rousey (the WWE wrestler) being a heel if she's now being, or pretending to be, Ronda Rousey (the real life MMA fighter) in all this kayfabe-breaking stuff?
I mean, like, if an actor in your favourite drama show had a massive rant on Twitter or in an interview or something about how the TV industry and all its fans are so crappy and everyone should go suck rocks, who's speaking there? The actor, right? That's not, I dunno, Walter White speaking, it'd be Bryan Cranston (hypothetically), so it wouldn't be making Walter White seem like a dick, but the actor.
So if we transpose that onto this situation, and we assume just for a moment (as I'm sure we're supposed to) that Ronda is breaking character and speaking from the point of view of the actress/sportsperson Ronda, we're... no longer in WWE-land, and so she's no longer playing Ronda (the WWE wrestler), so she's not being a heel, she's just being kind of a douche?
I think I just meta'd myself into a meta. Why is this even a thing that needs to be considered, when this could've all just been a regular angle? I'm confused.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 20, 2019 22:14:06 GMT -5
I see some mentions of "being heel by breaking kayfabe" or "she's just using real life to get over" and stuff, but the question occurs to me... Is it Ronda Rousey (the WWE wrestler) being a heel if she's now being, or pretending to be, Ronda Rousey (the real life MMA fighter) in all this kayfabe-breaking stuff? I mean, like, if an actor in your favourite drama show had a massive rant on Twitter or in an interview or something about how the TV industry and all its fans are so crappy and everyone should go suck rocks, who's speaking there? The actor, right? That's not, I dunno, Walter White speaking, it'd be Bryan Cranston (hypothetically), so it wouldn't be making Walter White seem like a dick, but the actor. So if we transpose that onto this situation, and we assume just for a moment (as I'm sure we're supposed to) that Ronda is breaking character and speaking from the point of view of the actress/sportsperson Ronda, we're... no longer in WWE-land, and so she's no longer playing Ronda (the WWE wrestler), so she's not being a heel, she's just being kind of a douche? I think I just meta'd myself into a meta. Why is this even a thing that needs to be considered, when this could've all just been a regular angle? I'm confused. Yeah you got it actually. Gotta remember the third Ronda Rousey which was given birth to the second this went meta kayfabe. That's the character that pretends she's real by posing as Real Rousey but speaking as the actor who plays WWE Rousey. Meta Rousey killed this feud dead artistically, which is where the disappointment comes from.
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Post by ssdrivin on Mar 20, 2019 22:20:03 GMT -5
Yeah you got it actually. Gotta remember the third Ronda Rousey which was given birth to the second this went meta kayfabe. That's the character that pretends she's real by posing as Real Rousey but speaking as the actor who plays WWE Rousey. Meta Rousey killed this feud dead artistically, which is where the disappointment comes from. I don't think there's this many intersecting universes in most popular scifi, lol. You're right though, I think, that would make three Rondas. My head hurts all of a sudden...
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 20, 2019 22:28:09 GMT -5
I see some mentions of "being heel by breaking kayfabe" or "she's just using real life to get over" and stuff, but the question occurs to me... Is it Ronda Rousey (the WWE wrestler) being a heel if she's now being, or pretending to be, Ronda Rousey (the real life MMA fighter) in all this kayfabe-breaking stuff? I mean, like, if an actor in your favourite drama show had a massive rant on Twitter or in an interview or something about how the TV industry and all its fans are so crappy and everyone should go suck rocks, who's speaking there? The actor, right? That's not, I dunno, Walter White speaking, it'd be Bryan Cranston (hypothetically), so it wouldn't be making Walter White seem like a dick, but the actor. So if we transpose that onto this situation, and we assume just for a moment (as I'm sure we're supposed to) that Ronda is breaking character and speaking from the point of view of the actress/sportsperson Ronda, we're... no longer in WWE-land, and so she's no longer playing Ronda (the WWE wrestler), so she's not being a heel, she's just being kind of a douche? I think I just meta'd myself into a meta. Why is this even a thing that needs to be considered, when this could've all just been a regular angle? I'm confused. Remember when Kevin Spacey made that bizarre video as his House of Cards character trying to blend the liens between reality and fiction, and everyone said "Hey this weird and creepy but like in a bad way? And also bad. Don't this."? This shit is complicated and fundamentally pretty dumb.
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Post by ssdrivin on Mar 20, 2019 22:39:58 GMT -5
Remember when Kevin Spacey made that bizarre video as his House of Cards character trying to blend the liens between reality and fiction, and everyone said "Hey this weird and creepy but like in a bad way? And also bad. Don't this."? This shit is complicated and fundamentally pretty dumb. I'm not familiar with it, but the assessment you give of it sounds about right. It's probably possible to do this in a way that doesn't fundamentally suck, but it takes a lot of skill, a lot of goodwill, a lot of understanding, and a lot of luck. WWE has a severe lack of these things...
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