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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 15, 2019 1:47:46 GMT -5
Welcome to TV mutli-mans bay-bee.
I might just love New Japan multi-mans.
I don't think it'd be a bad idea to throw a squash or two on each episode using local talent. Jungle Boy and Marko Stunt aren't going to be able to eat every pin. It will be interesting to see how AEW shapes its lower and midcards based on the roster they have. We know who the main eventers are, but the roles the rest are going to be playing are sort of up in the air, as it were. I could be wrong, but I want to say they've intimated that'll be the plan, a significantly smaller standing roster than like WWE, but that they'd bring in people as needed for one-offs, etc, which feels like a non-kayfabe destroying way of saying jobbers will be a thing, local or otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 2:32:13 GMT -5
It's sad when people feel the need to come up with "excuses" for why a show draws a large crowd.
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Post by Muskrat on Jun 15, 2019 3:51:41 GMT -5
Apparently the queue peaked at about 72,500. That’s f***ing insane
EDIT: Nothing about AEW’s success makes sense. This is ridiculous, and I am so intrigued to see where it goes from a business perspective. And so f***ing excited as a fan
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 5:56:42 GMT -5
I don't think it'd be a bad idea to throw a squash or two on each episode using local talent. Jungle Boy and Marko Stunt aren't going to be able to eat every pin. It will be interesting to see how AEW shapes its lower and midcards based on the roster they have. We know who the main eventers are, but the roles the rest are going to be playing are sort of up in the air, as it were. I could be wrong, but I want to say they've intimated that'll be the plan, a significantly smaller standing roster than like WWE, but that they'd bring in people as needed for one-offs, etc, which feels like a non-kayfabe destroying way of saying jobbers will be a thing, local or otherwise. I hope so. One thing that's ruined WWE for me is that it feels like I've seen most matches numerous times. I think it would be a good thing to have one or two squashes. It won't take up too much time and it shows off the winners strengths. I find that much more compelling than watching two guys who've wrestled plenty of times have another long drawn out match with no story or consequence.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jun 15, 2019 6:05:01 GMT -5
Whoa Mr Negative. Yeah AEW aren't on WWE's level. WWE has a 35 year head start in terms of being a national company. I don't think you'll find many saying AEW are as big as WWE The bottom line is this; for the first time in over a decade, there is another prominent US national wrestling company that is getting its audience, building its own identity and most importantly, showing the leg work and getting deals unseen even by the WWF in its prime (Yes, WWF had Channel 4 in the UK at one point showing PPVs but the whole Royal Rumble 2000 fiasco f***ed that up). Even if the honeymoon period is shorter than most, that's a reason to get excited. Sorry, on what basis is an unspecified timeslot on ITV4 (best known as the #1 place to watch Minder in 2019), with an unspecified rights fee, a deal "unseen by the WWF in its prime"?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 6:08:35 GMT -5
The bottom line is this; for the first time in over a decade, there is another prominent US national wrestling company that is getting its audience, building its own identity and most importantly, showing the leg work and getting deals unseen even by the WWF in its prime (Yes, WWF had Channel 4 in the UK at one point showing PPVs but the whole Royal Rumble 2000 fiasco f***ed that up). Even if the honeymoon period is shorter than most, that's a reason to get excited. Sorry, on what basis is an unspecified timeslot on ITV4 (best known as the #1 place to watch Minder in 2019), with an unspecified rights fee, a deal "unseen by the WWF in its prime"? Has it even been announced it's on ITV4 yet?
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Post by eJm on Jun 15, 2019 6:24:50 GMT -5
The bottom line is this; for the first time in over a decade, there is another prominent US national wrestling company that is getting its audience, building its own identity and most importantly, showing the leg work and getting deals unseen even by the WWF in its prime (Yes, WWF had Channel 4 in the UK at one point showing PPVs but the whole Royal Rumble 2000 fiasco f***ed that up). Even if the honeymoon period is shorter than most, that's a reason to get excited. Sorry, on what basis is an unspecified timeslot on ITV4 (best known as the #1 place to watch Minder in 2019), with an unspecified rights fee, a deal "unseen by the WWF in its prime"? I mean, you mentioned it. A free view deal (which Cody has said is happening (I know, not exactly iron clad but nobody is denying it’s happening)) on a channel that, again, is in the Top 20 most watched in the country is better than a big name PPV deal on Channel 4 that is quickly dropped because the WWF couldn’t stop themselves showing Mae Young’s boobs on the air without telling a channel that has to follow guidelines that it’s the case.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jun 15, 2019 7:01:03 GMT -5
Sorry, on what basis is an unspecified timeslot on ITV4 (best known as the #1 place to watch Minder in 2019), with an unspecified rights fee, a deal "unseen by the WWF in its prime"? I mean, you mentioned it. A free view deal (which Cody has said is happening (I know, not exactly iron clad but nobody is denying it’s happening)) on a channel that, again, is in the Top 20 most watched in the country is better than a big name PPV deal on Channel 4 that is quickly dropped because the WWF couldn’t stop themselves showing Mae Young’s boobs on the air without telling a channel that has to follow guidelines that it’s the case. But none of that makes it a better deal, or even a good one. YouTube has a bigger audience than any TV channel, but streaming your shit for free on there isn't a better deal than being paid by a TV channel. TNA and WOS both have/had their shows on freeview. It's not a revolutionary thing.
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Post by eJm on Jun 15, 2019 7:05:34 GMT -5
I mean, you mentioned it. A free view deal (which Cody has said is happening (I know, not exactly iron clad but nobody is denying it’s happening)) on a channel that, again, is in the Top 20 most watched in the country is better than a big name PPV deal on Channel 4 that is quickly dropped because the WWF couldn’t stop themselves showing Mae Young’s boobs on the air without telling a channel that has to follow guidelines that it’s the case. But none of that makes it a better deal, or even a good one. YouTube has a bigger audience than any TV channel, but streaming your shit for free on there isn't a better deal than being paid by a TV channel. TNA and WOS both have/had their shows on freeview. It's not a revolutionary thing. I don’t know what your first point has to do with being on an actual channel that was more watched than Challenge is. Because, again, that’s where it is. Also, Challenge was filling a spot that it had in between shows and whilst it did work for a bit, TNA’s own incompetence in the UK ruined that. And yes, I will acknowledge it seems to be doing better on 5Star and good for them. And WoS was pretty much ITV’s way of rebooting an IP for Saturday Nights without figuring out how to modernize it so of course it was going to fail from the start.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jun 15, 2019 9:10:46 GMT -5
But none of that makes it a better deal, or even a good one. YouTube has a bigger audience than any TV channel, but streaming your shit for free on there isn't a better deal than being paid by a TV channel. TNA and WOS both have/had their shows on freeview. It's not a revolutionary thing. I don’t know what your first point has to do with being on an actual channel that was more watched than Challenge is. Because, again, that’s where it is. Also, Challenge was filling a spot that it had in between shows and whilst it did work for a bit, TNA’s own incompetence in the UK ruined that. And yes, I will acknowledge it seems to be doing better on 5Star and good for them. And WoS was pretty much ITV’s way of rebooting an IP for Saturday Nights without figuring out how to modernize it so of course it was going to fail from the start. That's all shifting the goalposts. AEW's weekly show doesn't have a name yet, let alone a timeslot. So comparisons between TNA's slot on Challenge (which wasn't awful IIRC) or WoS's quality are completely non-existant. The point is the reach of a channel is not the sole deciding factor as to what is or isn't a good TV deal, or everyone would just put their stuff on YouTube and Facebook. Nor is a wrestling show being on free to air TV in the UK a unique concept. TNA was last night. The World Boxing Super Series was shown on ITV4 last year. This year it's on Sky Sports. That's not a downgrade. A dedicated sports audience and a paying broadcaster > People looking for Columbo reruns.
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Post by eJm on Jun 15, 2019 10:03:43 GMT -5
I don’t know what your first point has to do with being on an actual channel that was more watched than Challenge is. Because, again, that’s where it is. Also, Challenge was filling a spot that it had in between shows and whilst it did work for a bit, TNA’s own incompetence in the UK ruined that. And yes, I will acknowledge it seems to be doing better on 5Star and good for them. And WoS was pretty much ITV’s way of rebooting an IP for Saturday Nights without figuring out how to modernize it so of course it was going to fail from the start. That's all shifting the goalposts. AEW's weekly show doesn't have a name yet, let alone a timeslot. So comparisons between TNA's slot on Challenge (which wasn't awful IIRC) or WoS's quality are completely non-existant. The point is the reach of a channel is not the sole deciding factor as to what is or isn't a good TV deal, or everyone would just put their stuff on YouTube and Facebook. Nor is a wrestling show being on free to air TV in the UK a unique concept. TNA was last night. The World Boxing Super Series was shown on ITV4 last year. This year it's on Sky Sports. That's not a downgrade. A dedicated sports audience and a paying broadcaster > People looking for Columbo reruns. It’s not, I’ll concede that and it all depends on how ITV promotes it which, considering there were a lot of DoN ads on ITV prime time, the signs are good. I also don’t think saying what WoS was is moving the goalposts as much as admitting in hindsight what it was. We got excited about it as wrestling fans but outside of Jeff Jarrett, nobody in the backend knew much about wrestling so crafted a weird pseudo reality TV concept from it rather than make it a wrestling product. I’d honestly say right now, considering the dropping ratings of football on Sky Sports and WWE dropping like a crater in the past few years, yeah, paid TV is a bit more of a downgrade. They’re just willing to pay more for it. Which is fine but it doesn’t have near the same audience.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 15, 2019 11:39:22 GMT -5
I wonder what's more expensive: three tickets combined to All In, Double or Nothing, and All Out or one ticket to Wrestlemania around the same relative part of the arena/stadium. Are we talking face value or not? Strictly face value.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 15, 2019 11:45:39 GMT -5
Are we talking face value or not? Strictly face value. Then the AEW shows win this very easily.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 15, 2019 12:33:02 GMT -5
I can't. Others, however...
I just feel like pointing out that it actually wouldn't require a lot of vacation time. The shows are on the weekend. It seems like it would be pretty easy to only take one day off per show (the Friday before the show) to fly to the show, and then fly back either the Sunday or Monday, since All In/DoN/All Out are all on holiday weekends. That means that a hypothetical person that were to fly in to all three shows would really need to only use a grand total of three vacation days to make them all. Hell, I flew out after work on Friday for Double or Nothing and didn't need to use any vacation days.
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Post by eJm on Jun 19, 2019 17:10:27 GMT -5
From this week's Road to Fyter Fest episode, Brandi announced the Women's championship will be revealed in Chicago.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 19, 2019 17:29:30 GMT -5
It's referred to as the AEW Women's World Championship, so finally there's a major women's championship that's given the World tag.
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Post by zero744 on Jun 19, 2019 18:51:02 GMT -5
The question I have is how do they plan on doing weekly TV with nothing but clean finishes? On some level the point of weekly TV is to have some indecisive things going on that result in future rematches. I do wonder when they will get around to discussing an entire slate of dates for TV. I dare say they should think outside the box in a way WCW used to. WWE to me is really neglecting smaller markets when it comes to TV. WCW would run TV in Casper, Wyoming or Boise, Idaho, etc. Find places with decent sized buildings that don't often get a major wrestling program. Sheboygan or bust!
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 20, 2019 7:15:51 GMT -5
I didn’t know what thread to put it in but it sounds like Riho is actually moving to the US soon. Could be whatever but I think that’s pretty close to indicating she’s gonna go with AEW, maybe ask for a contract that lets her work SEA since she loves it so much. But hey, if true that’s a fantastic get for them, she’s kind of a prodigy. Bittersweet for me—def buying tickets for her last Gatoh show.
I wonder (and quietly hope) if this ruins my prediction my prediction them of trying to land Giulia.
Btw unrelated but Shigehiro Iris just joined Stronghearts. I’d be shocked if he didn’t show up in AEW given he’s pretty awesome, loves foreign countries and knows Kenny lol
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Post by Dub H on Jun 20, 2019 8:03:51 GMT -5
I didn’t know what thread to put it in but it sounds like Riho is actually moving to the US soon. Could be whatever but I think that’s pretty close to indicating she’s gonna go with AEW, maybe ask for a contract that lets her work SEA since she loves it so much. But hey, if true that’s a fantastic get for them, she’s kind of a prodigy. Bittersweet for me—def buying tickets for her last Gatoh show. I wonder (and quietly hope) if this ruins my prediction my prediction them of trying to land Giulia. Btw unrelated but Shigehiro Iris just joined Stronghearts. I’d be shocked if he didn’t show up in AEW given he’s pretty awesome, loves foreign countries and knows Kenny lol If i'm not mistaken it was reported many times that Riho was interested in going full time to AEW
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 20, 2019 8:32:45 GMT -5
I didn’t know what thread to put it in but it sounds like Riho is actually moving to the US soon. Could be whatever but I think that’s pretty close to indicating she’s gonna go with AEW, maybe ask for a contract that lets her work SEA since she loves it so much. But hey, if true that’s a fantastic get for them, she’s kind of a prodigy. Bittersweet for me—def buying tickets for her last Gatoh show. I wonder (and quietly hope) if this ruins my prediction my prediction them of trying to land Giulia. Btw unrelated but Shigehiro Iris just joined Stronghearts. I’d be shocked if he didn’t show up in AEW given he’s pretty awesome, loves foreign countries and knows Kenny lol If i'm not mistaken it was reported many times that Riho was interesting of going full time to AEW She was on a five show trial deal to see if she liked working in/living in the US while she figured out whether to work the US or south east Asia. She apparently liked her DoN experience.
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