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Post by sfvega on Jan 21, 2020 20:19:17 GMT -5
If someone from Barstool is voting, that makes your shit look suspect anyhow. I thought anyone was an upgrade over the uppity old timers in the BWAA. They chose one of the only groups I respect even less. How do they go down from here? Give Carrot Top a vote? David Duke? Pete Rose?
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Post by Cyno on Jan 21, 2020 23:15:10 GMT -5
Since the days of Ruth, the all-time players not getting unanimous votes has more to do with the writers having some stupid bias, self-righteous gatekeeping, or wanting to get 15 minutes of (in)fame more than any comment on how great a player was. If anything, this says how much of a freak occurrence it was for Mariano Rivera to actually break through all the stupid shit that plagues the voting population of the BBWAA to get that unanimous vote.
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 21, 2020 23:18:03 GMT -5
Since the days of Ruth, the all-time players not getting unanimous votes has more to do with the writers having some stupid bias, self-righteous gatekeeping, or wanting to get 15 minutes of (in)fame more than any comment on how great a player was. If anything, this says how much of a freak occurrence it was for Mariano Rivera to actually break through all the stupid shit that plagues the voting population of the BBWAA to get that unanimous vote. Shit, IIRC, Mo wasn't going to get unanimous either until the last minute. The BBWAA is on some bullshit.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 21, 2020 23:28:52 GMT -5
Yeah, about the "Steroids Era"...Selig, the media, and fans all looked the other way while these genetically enhanced monsters launched baseballs into parking lots.
The home run chase of '98 saved baseball, where another strike would have absolutely destroyed it. Bonds and Clemens should be in. And if/when Rocket goes in, he should go in as a Blue Jay. Dude had a couple incredible years there.
And good for Jeter. He was clutch at short and at the plate. But I was a Nomar fan. Who I met, and is a really cool guy.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 22, 2020 8:16:53 GMT -5
FWIW, I do feel this sign stealing fiasco is more egregious than the PEDs were in terms of players having an unfair advantage. Am I happy that McGwire, Clemens and Bonds were on that stuff? Not really. But their physical boosts didn’t help them make contact, not in the way Bregman and company allegedly knew what was coming from the pitcher. They still needed timing and a keen eye. So that puts me in the pro Big Mac/Barry camps, because they would be fantastic power hitters regardless.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2020 9:00:03 GMT -5
Yeah, about the "Steroids Era"...Selig, the media, and fans all looked the other way while these genetically enhanced monsters launched baseballs into parking lots. The home run chase of '98 saved baseball, where another strike would have absolutely destroyed it. Bonds and Clemens should be in. And if/when Rocket goes in, he should go in as a Blue Jay. Dude had a couple incredible years there. And good for Jeter. He was clutch at short and at the plate. But I was a Nomar fan. Who I met, and is a really cool guy. Right. There's absolutely no f***ing way that the writers had no idea. Turning around now and screwing these guys over because public perception changed for a little while (most people don't give a rat's ass now days) is completely asinine. As for Jeter: There was no hitter in my lifetime as a Sox fan that made me piss myself more in big moments. When the game was on the line and he stepped to the plate, you *KNEW* that bastard was going to get the ball breaking big hit.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 22, 2020 12:10:33 GMT -5
FWIW, I do feel this sign stealing fiasco is more egregious than the PEDs were in terms of players having an unfair advantage. Am I happy that McGwire, Clemens and Bonds were on that stuff? Not really. But their physical boosts didn’t help them make contact, not in the way Bregman and company allegedly knew what was coming from the pitcher. They still needed timing and a keen eye. So that puts me in the pro Big Mac/Barry camps, because they would be fantastic power hitters regardless. Pitchers will no doubt rather face a guy on the juice then someone who knows what pitch is coming. These are professional players, a “scrub” will hit anything and everything if he knows what the pitch is
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 22, 2020 13:01:10 GMT -5
Luis Rojas to be next Mets manager.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 22, 2020 13:44:16 GMT -5
Since the days of Ruth, the all-time players not getting unanimous votes has more to do with the writers having some stupid bias, self-righteous gatekeeping, or wanting to get 15 minutes of (in)fame more than any comment on how great a player was. If anything, this says how much of a freak occurrence it was for Mariano Rivera to actually break through all the stupid shit that plagues the voting population of the BBWAA to get that unanimous vote. Yea, I fully expected someone to say Mo was a failed starter or bring up the 2001 World Series as a way to say he shouldn't get in unanimous It's not the fact you don't think the person is a HOF player because you'd be an idiot otherwise, it is your moral basis of well such and such didn't get in unanimous so this person shouldn't either I think as younger writers get in tho some of that will start to fade. Which is why A-Rod has a better chance of getting in as opposed to 10-15 years ago.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 22, 2020 14:06:15 GMT -5
I don't think it matters all that much if someone is elected unanimously to the hall. Someone being elected, especially on the first ballot, if fair enough.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 22, 2020 14:33:02 GMT -5
I don't think it matters all that much if someone is elected unanimously to the hall. Someone being elected, especially on the first ballot, if fair enough. Ideally, it shouldn't matter what year you get in or how you got in but there is a peasantry that is associated with it since the Hall is almost a ranking tier of its own - Your best of the best get in 1st time and they highly exceed the total - Great players that aren't in the S tier but no doubt deserve a look at being part of the 1% greatest ever - Others that may fall short of being great all around in some way but the total overall numbers gets them in At the end of the day, to even be on the ballot and be in the discussion is some crazy shit. Even those that don't get in are still in the 5% tier of careers that players wish they could have
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Post by fw91 on Jan 22, 2020 15:31:56 GMT -5
Luis Rojas to be next Mets manager. why doesn’t he have the Alou name? Bad blood with the family?
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 22, 2020 17:22:28 GMT -5
Speaking of all this shit going on with Jeter going into the Hall and the Astros stuff...I can't remember specifics, but the story of the Astros scout who told the team that Jeter was going to be a superstar, and if they don't draft him, he'll quit.
And Houston didn't. And the scout walked. That guy knew his shit. 😊
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jan 22, 2020 17:36:51 GMT -5
Speaking of all this shit going on with Jeter going into the Hall and the Astros stuff...I can't remember specifics, but the story of the Astros scout who told the team that Jeter was going to be a superstar, and if they don't draft him, he'll quit. And Houston didn't. And the scout walked. That guy knew his shit. 😊 It was Hall of Famer Hal Newhouser, who was a scout for the Astros, who said to draft him. Astros were concerned about Jeter's signing bonus.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 22, 2020 22:42:15 GMT -5
Speaking of all this shit going on with Jeter going into the Hall and the Astros stuff...I can't remember specifics, but the story of the Astros scout who told the team that Jeter was going to be a superstar, and if they don't draft him, he'll quit. And Houston didn't. And the scout walked. That guy knew his shit. 😊 It was Hall of Famer Hal Newhouser, who was a scout for the Astros, who said to draft him. Astros were concerned about Jeter's signing bonus. Yeah, Newhouser is the guy credited with discovering Jeter for all of MLB. Newhouser flat out told the Astros that they'd build championship teams around Jeter if they were to take him. Houston didn't listen to him, meanwhile Steinbrenner was concerned that Jeter would go to Michigan, and the Yankees scouts told him "The only place Jeter is going is to Cooperstown." One franchise listened to their scouts and built a dynasty.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 24, 2020 22:32:33 GMT -5
Ryan Zimmerman returns to the Nationals on a 1 year deal.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 25, 2020 23:22:43 GMT -5
I don't think it matters all that much if someone is elected unanimously to the hall. Someone being elected, especially on the first ballot, if fair enough. I think the problem more than anything is if youre a HOF voter what's your actual reason NOT to vote for Derek Jeter? I think he's overrated but he's a slam dunk HOFer . Same thing with Larry Walker. 5 years ago 10% of voters thought he was HOF worthy and now 77% do, what changed? The whole thing is idiotic.
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Post by sfvega on Jan 26, 2020 14:30:36 GMT -5
Now Mike Fiers is in hot water about DMs with an underage girl, and is getting skewered by Astros fans. Man, sports fandom is skeevy as f***. You've got a guy who blew the whistle coming off very questionable, and weird fans piling on as if this is some sort of karma. Just really gross all around.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 9:29:38 GMT -5
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 27, 2020 14:55:03 GMT -5
Castellanos to the Reds: And now Heyman says they're considering moving Senzel. I’m proud of the Giants for not making that move. Seems like the kind of middle(slightly above probably)-tier addition that only wins a bad team a couple meaningless games and keeps you from getting that sweet sweet higher draft pick. Giants are straight up rebuilding after doing next to nothing all offseason and letting MadBum walk for peanuts. Good for them. Hopefully Zaidi truley knows what he’s doing in this situation. I like his track record.
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