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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 15, 2019 11:49:36 GMT -5
The Muppet Show
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 15, 2019 12:35:02 GMT -5
Looks like the final two episodes will be Fraggle Rock and a look at the other Henson programs prior to his passing (Muppet Babies, Muppet Babies and Monsters, The Jim Henson Hour, etc)
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jun 12, 2019 19:10:07 GMT -5
Fraggle Rock + The Dark Crystal
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jun 13, 2019 9:42:10 GMT -5
Looks like the next episode will be a look at the final Jim Henson projects as well as his passing
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 13, 2019 22:28:06 GMT -5
The ending to that last episode had my heart already tearing in two.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 13, 2019 22:31:24 GMT -5
This has been excellent so far.
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Post by Paul on Jun 13, 2019 22:38:32 GMT -5
This has been excellent so far. Agreed! He makes really terrific videos and these have been some of the best he's ever done. |
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Post by eJm on Jun 27, 2019 19:04:56 GMT -5
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jun 27, 2019 19:08:28 GMT -5
Okay, so the next episode is his final works. I miscounted.
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Post by Paul on Jun 27, 2019 22:08:32 GMT -5
Muppet Babies was a terrific, fun, imaginative show and I would totally buy the series if they'd put it out on DVD.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 27, 2019 23:31:54 GMT -5
Muppet Babies was a terrific, fun, imaginative show and I would totally buy the series if they'd put it out on DVD. the problem was always the licence issues. Marvel, Lucas, Muppets, and possibly Toei had claim to it... I mean... now it's much easier since 3 of those things are owned by Disney... but still... >_> Labryinth is legitimately one of my favorite movies of all time... |
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Post by mrtuesday on Jun 28, 2019 0:44:01 GMT -5
Muppet Babies was a terrific, fun, imaginative show and I would totally buy the series if they'd put it out on DVD. the problem was always the licence issues. Marvel, Lucas, Muppets, and possibly Toei had claim to it... I mean... now it's much easier since 3 of those things are owned by Disney... but still... >_> Labryinth is legitimately one of my favorite movies of all time... It's mostly the use of live-action movie clips. Yes, Indiana Jones and Star Wars were used, and Disney owns that. But there were several other movie clips used that would cost a lot for a home media release. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 28, 2019 0:45:52 GMT -5
the problem was always the licence issues. Marvel, Lucas, Muppets, and possibly Toei had claim to it... I mean... now it's much easier since 3 of those things are owned by Disney... but still... >_> Labryinth is legitimately one of my favorite movies of all time... It's mostly the use of live-action movie clips. Yes, Indiana Jones and Star Wars were used, and Disney owns that. But there were several other movie clips used that would cost a lot for a home media release. Yeah that was part of my point they used a lot of video clips in it and it'd be hard to cut around it. But Indians Jones is used IN the intro. |
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jul 14, 2019 13:25:23 GMT -5
Finale:
The Final Jim Henson Hour
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Post by Convoy on Jul 14, 2019 15:39:16 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to be useless for the rest of the day after watching that. I remember watching certain clips of his funeral over the years (mostly Big Bird's appearance), but to have it summarized and have Jim's final year recapped was something else.
What a brilliant mind that was gone too soon.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2019 17:05:40 GMT -5
Now that this is completed, I do want to say that I love that the series obviously touched on some less than flattering aspects of Jim, along with the good, but didn't seem to dwell on them to demonize him, nor sweep it under the rug to deify him. Jim Henson was a special person, but he was still a person.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2019 17:29:04 GMT -5
"Jim was looking at things he had done, instead of looking forward"
*I get an ad for the new Lion King*
Hmm.
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Post by Paul on Jul 14, 2019 18:06:39 GMT -5
"Jim was looking at things he had done, instead of looking forward" *I get an ad for the new Lion King* Hmm. Ha! That's a pretty funny coincidence... Remember when Disney made great original hand-drawn animated movies that were loved by everyone? Sigh. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 22:45:32 GMT -5
Anyone wondering about how the Disney deal fell apart might wanna read (yup) Disney War. I think Henson took offense to Eisner making cracks about the Sesame Street Muppets to heart as those characters were made to service a non-capitalist goal in mind, which didn't jive with Michael Eisner's approach to consumerism and the feeling that if there was profit to be had, there was going to be profit, dammit. As for Katzenburg, well... Jeffrey was difficult to just about everyone, and even Eisner became the brunt of this as Katzenburg felt slighted about Eisner not promoting him due to Wells's death years later, causing the rift that created DreamWorks Studios.
Interestingly, although to be fair, this was more about Jim Henson as a person and not the Jim Henson Studio, the franchise as a whole went through a rough patch without him. The Muppets Christmas Carol and later Muppet Treasure Island were well regarded by filmgoers (arguably the former moreso), although they didn't exactly break the bank, and were both Brian Henson's first filmgoing forays (though, I think a lot of people are now going to not look at him as fondly given The Happytime Murders). The 90s ended with Muppets From Space, that was Tim Hill's directorial debut, which followed similar trends, box-office wise, but unlike the other films, deviated heavily from the structure, as it focused far less on songs being the structure for bridging segments and establishing shots and emphasized more on the character arc, being Gonzo wondering who he was and where he came from.
The early 2000s can easily be considered the "dark ages" for the series. While Kevin described the late 80s and The Jim Henson Hour being the low point for the studio, that was when Henson was alive. I'm talking for the intellectual property as a whole. The first two films of the 90s were released as part of the Walt Disney deal, even if everything had soured, but Muppets from Space was something that they had to work with Columbia Pictures in order to produce. After this, came two unfortunate projects in 2002; a direct-to-video film entitled "Kermit's Swamp Years", which was a retelling of a young Kermit as he had to rescue his brothers from a sadistic science teacher, and the repugnant "It's a Very Muppet Christmas Movie", which decided to take what people complained about The Jim Henson Hour and went "You wanna see us aim lower?! How about this!" I mean, once you see shoehorned NBC references and cameos, not to mention a very unfunny sequence where Fozzie Bear is being harassed by Not Whovillians and Not Steve Irwin, and the idea of Kermit doing a Triumph the Insult Dog skit, it dawns on you on what is happening and that this is going on for another 50 minutes. Following this, "The Muppets Wizard of Oz", which was a made-for-TV film in 2005, was in development around the time after Disney finally got the assets to the property, which is the last part of the story I'm going to get to. Uh... the movie follows exactly how "Very Muppet Christmas" goes; too many pop culture references, and while there was always mingling between the celebrities and the Muppets in various projects, the problems between the recent projects had been that there was an emphasis to have the celebrity overshadow the Muppets and act as if they were just part of the scenery rather than be important to the world in which they lived in. Not much happened to the series until 2011 when the first major film was released, which was followed by a sequel, some additional projects, and that infamous TV series where they tried to recycle "The Office" and make Kermit & Miss Piggy's relationship a selling point. So, you can say, it's been mostly good for the IP, depending on your viewpoint.
Anyway, just my two cents.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jul 15, 2019 8:17:17 GMT -5
All I can think after watching this is aren’t we lucky? Those of us of a certain age, say born 1975 or later, yes, we came into a world of strife, of anger, of confusion, but we had such creative geniuses - Walt Disney’s previous work, Jim Henson, Dr. Seuss, Charles Schultz - all creating, all guiding, all encouraging. Giving a vision that was fun and hopeful without being unrealistic. And think of how each one of us lucky enough to grow up then were inspired to be creative by this work.
I’ve seen examples even recently of those who missed it. I was sitting for some kids, I want to say in 1995 or so, and I put on Muppet Christmas Carol to watch with them and they loved it, but they were like “What are these muppet things?” After a few minutes, I realized they had never seen Muppet movies before. Sesame Street, sure, but they couldn’t connect that to this. And I was just stunned that they could grow up without Henson. And he had been gone only five years at that point.
What’s my point? We have to make sure if we have kids or know kids that we pass on what we have learned, what we loved, what helped make us our best to help these kids today better for tomorrow. That’s the Henson legacy right from the Muppet Movie - life’s like a movie, write your own ending, keep believing, keep pretending, we will find out what we have set out to do, with the lovers, the dreamers, and you.
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