MolotovMocktail
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 17, 2019 22:12:22 GMT -5
For those of you mentioning commentary, I want to add that they should have a true face/heel dichotomy. When Heenan and Monsoon went at it back in the day, with each clearly on one side or the other, they truly became an extension of the match that was going on in the ring.
Also, they're starting to announce the Fight for the Fallen card when they still need to build to Double or Nothing. This has the danger of booking matches for the sake of it, where I'd rather they use the aftermath of Double or Nothing to set up the feuds that will determine how Fight for the Fallen shapes up and plays out, and then hopefully rolls into a slick TV format off of that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 22:51:51 GMT -5
- Guys who look like they can fight. Cody did say he was looking for "hosses" so I hope they can deliver. Dusty, Hansen, Funk, Vadee, Race.. all those guys brought immediate legitimacy. This, I think, is the most important thing that their current plan LACKS. It's essentially a bunch of 170-210 lb. dudes right now. Size isn't everything, but when your average television viewer sees the Young Bucks on their screen they're going to chuckle about the fact that these little guys are wrestlers. Yeah, they can deliver in their matches, but visual perception on a television show is important. They need some wrestlers who, you know, look like wrestlers. Don't: - Insider/smarky/dirt sheet references, pandering an angles. It's just annoying. Didnt help WCW in 00-01, wont help here. Honestly I'm kind of tired of hearing the Bucks even talk about developing "creative" for the shows. It just scream edgelord indy shit to me. They're already doing skits talking about some of the wrestlers also having office jobs, etc. So it's not looking good for this one. - Spot fests, no selling and all that. Probably my biggest fear with this group. I'm sooo pumped for this, and I want it to dominate, but I absolutely couldn't get behind this kind of product. All that brings is cringe worthy neckbeard this is awesome chants. Safe to say there is going to be plenty of spot fests. It's 2019 pro wrestling, run by the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 23:43:11 GMT -5
- Homemade stars, within a year of it kicking off lets have a few wrestlers who are currently unknown pushed as the faces of AEW, guys who’ve never been in WWE or NJPW. Like DDP and Goldberg were for WCW or what AJ should have been for TNA. Ideally a main eventer, a midcarder, a tag team and a woman wrestler who can all fit the above criteria.
- A ‘voice of reason’ commentator who cheers for the faces and a weasel who cheers for the heels. Not whatever the hell Cole and Graves are told to be these days.
Don’t want:
Attitude era dudes looking for a last payday and ECW alumni can steer clear too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 1:01:39 GMT -5
Want:
Luchasaurus Pricella Kelly Ex WWE guys like Barrett, Ryback, Swagger proving they can still go. Big signings like Ambrose. Over the top gimmicks. A steel cage ladder match Colt Cabana Blood Cody haunted by the ghost of his father Midget wrestling That guy that just requested his release in WWE that guy Johnny Elite Pyro Wrestlers as employees Awesome nu metal theme music. Actually just hire Jim Johnstone Carlito Crossover with the cast of Glow Live tv Next day on Hulu Taping at malls, nightclubs, and springbreak A really fat guy Snitsky Weird supernatural shit Elimination Chamber of horrors match Charlie Haas A drag queen gimmick A luchadore loses his mask only to reveal another mask Pet mascots (like Damian, koko’s bird) A wrestler that’s an alien A wrestler that’s a robot Nonsense celebrity cameos Grace Helbig backstage interviewer A fued over a hat 3 members of the spirit squad Matches that matter instead of matches that are good Heel turns on every show Under the ring is another smaller ring Someone drives a hearse An invisible wrestler time machines Abe Lincoln A guy in a gorilla suit
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Apr 18, 2019 1:39:59 GMT -5
100% agree, and I'd say theres an insanely high chance we wont have to worry about that. I will say that I do hope there are some old timers hanging around back to agent and produce. Cornette is my pipe dream, but even though I'm a huge Corny mark, I can see why that might not be the best idea. I think Cornette might explode if he works with them for too long! I'd be amazed if we don't get DDP as an agent.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Apr 18, 2019 1:40:55 GMT -5
I'd like a more realistic product where there's no magic camera backstage that always catches something before it happens or hears evil people going over a plan.
I really don't want a cinematic backstage universe where people are going to other dimensions and people are "killed".
I'd like clear cut good guys and bad guys even if they are good but have their faults. I'm not sure that's going to happen seeing how Cody has said faces and heels are dead, but he needs to remember this is a business built on good vs evil and conflict. Even in ECW, you had good guys and bad guys.
I also hope we can avoid the evil owner/gm/CEO crap and just have someone more like Regal is in NXT. But going by the stuff with Brandi and Allie I think we're already heading down that path we've been on a million times before.
Cody and Brandi need to make sure they don't become the Triple H and Stephanie of AEW.
They want a hoss so I'd like to give Ryback a shot. Sure he won't even be as over as he was from a face side of things in WWE, but as an evil big guy who isn't booked like a joke, he might be alright.
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Apr 18, 2019 1:54:13 GMT -5
Absolutely agree with everyone saying no heel authority figure. It has been played to death and serves no real purpose. Take the hint Brandi!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 1:57:35 GMT -5
Don't: Put any Khans on screen iname any capacity.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Apr 18, 2019 7:02:08 GMT -5
Also, they're starting to announce the Fight for the Fallen card when they still need to build to Double or Nothing. This has the danger of booking matches for the sake of it, where I'd rather they use the aftermath of Double or Nothing to set up the feuds that will determine how Fight for the Fallen shapes up and plays out, and then hopefully rolls into a slick TV format off of that. This is actually kind of something they have addressed in their booking to some extent, the first three (and so far only three shows with matches announced) are all shows where it makes sense that you don't need previous matches to build for. The first is the debut show (which even has some history and storyline going into the matches), the second show is a crossoever event with a fighting game tournament/convention that has the excuse of being a friendly hosted by a vacation, and Fight for the Fallen is a charity show that should showcase matches for the benefit of victims of gun violence. Basically until All In 2 and TV starts, AEW can keep using smoke and mirrors and give shows reasons to be (tournaments to crown champions, crossover shows) to get names and matches out there in preparation for having a place to build feuds that will be explicitly aimed at gaining an audience (TV).
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Post by Dub H on Apr 18, 2019 8:15:04 GMT -5
I dont want buzzwords. Please just let the commentary react naturally to things.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Apr 18, 2019 8:28:32 GMT -5
Don't:
Joey Ryan's penis.
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Post by markymark on Apr 18, 2019 10:31:31 GMT -5
Dont: Vince Russo Hulk Hogan Dixie Carter Brandi Rhodes being the first AEW women champ.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 18, 2019 14:50:17 GMT -5
Do: logical booking, where wrestlers can go up and down the card in ways that are exciting and usually make sense. Don’t: evil authority figures. Dario Cueto was the last great one. He maxed out what can be done with that idea. And WWE beat the concept to death. Do: try to get a women’s division at least on par with WWE’s and isn’t the afterthought ROH’s sometimes feels like. Don’t: bash other companies and try to push a “we hate Vinnie Mac” narrative.. Didn’t work for TNA, and it’ll make AEW feel bush league. Do: strap rockets to MJF and Sonny Kiss.
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Post by thetower52 on Apr 18, 2019 15:10:26 GMT -5
This. Second this happens I’m out
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Post by FHgrad99 on Apr 18, 2019 15:18:30 GMT -5
Here are some of mine.
Wants:
-A neutral authority figure. Their own "Jack Tunney," if you will. A guy who only shows up and makes announcements when needed but isn't a key part of the show every week.
-Announcers that focus on calling the action in the ring and not spend a ton of time talking about whatever else is going on.
-Shorter promos. You don't need 20 minutes to make your point.
-Simpler storylines. Don't confuse the viewer.
-More actual in-ring work instead of spot-fests. Get back to using ring psychology.
Don't want:
-Bringing in controversial people just to be "edgy." Enzo and Cass are two prime examples of this.
-Celebrity involvement in storylines. I'd rather not see wrestlers trying to have a match with somebody who has never wrestled a match in their life.
-Vince Russo's booking. When has he ever come up with an easy to follow storyline.
-Pointless heel/face turns. If you're going to turn somebody have a reason to turn them and a plan in place for after the turn happens. Don't repeat the one month face turn for Elias or the short-lived Braun Strowman heel turn from last year.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 18, 2019 15:21:30 GMT -5
Also, don’t: have your champions constantly lose in non title matches, at least not as frequently as WWE treats their champions these days. Make me care about the wins and losses.
Do: Build up stars with the occasional squash match. Not to where they’re most of the show like in the 80s, but they’ve still got some value now and then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 11:35:52 GMT -5
I hope they put some extra effort towards music. From entrance themes, music beds and stuff, makes all the difference to me when the soundtrack is good. Corny stuff like "Warriors Cry" is fine for BTE but for AEW I hope they have someone with a keen ear for cool indie music and stuff they can use. Not necessarily expensive licensed music, but something classier than cheap "rasslin'" music.
I think they should use a documentary style for storyline segments. Similar to BTE where we see the (kayfabe) goings on in wrestlers' lives between shows I.E. guys training for big matches, rivals getting into confrontations during house shows, interview segments and stuff, but also provide opportunities for the classic style of wrestling promo and live interview segments during shows ala Mean Gene and Hogan.
The presentation should primarily be "big league." I think there's room for comedy, like Joey Ryan's dick stuff isn't a dealbreaker to me, but comedy shouldn't be the overall vibe and it should be clear that the comedy is more of an attraction, and the serious business is the meat and potatoes of it. Kenny Omega should primarily be the "best bout machine," Jericho should be the violent elder statesman that he is now, Adam Page is "the Hangman," and so on and so forth.
Strong emphasis on characters, consistency, and world building storytelling. I wanna see feuds where guys learn to hate each other, characters interacting with each other regardless of who they're locked in a storyline with. Clear villains and heroes that give fans a reason to invest in winners and losers and not "let's go this guy/let's go that guy" dynamics.
I agree with others too on commentary, I don't really care if there's a heel and a face on commentary, but commentary absolutely needs to sell the stories, and not be ambivalent about everything. If a guy is cheating all the time, make it clear that he's an asshole, reward good behavior and admonish the bad guys with no room for interpretation.
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Post by anglarite on Apr 19, 2019 12:13:45 GMT -5
Do: Hire Luis Fernandez-Gil Cindy Lauper in the Hall of Fame Give the titles importance If you commit, commit If it doesn't work, change it in the better Engaging storylines
Don't: Overbook Push untalented people for their looks on the expense of actual talented people
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Post by government mule on Apr 23, 2019 17:26:45 GMT -5
I don't want smarky in-jokes or pretentiousness when watching the show. I'd turn off straight away if all I see is Cody/Bucks/Omega high-fiving each other and giving it large about how they're the voice of the people blah blah blah, not to mention just hot potatoing the main title between them and their mates and creating lots of Jeff Jarrett type ego's. This is my main fear for this project.
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Post by markymark on Apr 23, 2019 18:50:37 GMT -5
Dont ever hire Dale Oliver, he mostly produced generic and bad theme songs.
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