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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 13:47:37 GMT -5
Is there some sort of... reason... why they would pick Dallas as an assumed NJPW hotbed?
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Post by Muskrat on Apr 19, 2019 13:57:15 GMT -5
Is there some sort of... reason... why they would pick Dallas as an assumed NJPW hotbed? As someone else said, likely got a good deal due to the Mark Cuban connection. That’s really the only thing that makes sense. Hell, when they accidentally announced it as being at the American Airlines Arena that made more sense as far as attracting people to a fly in show.
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Post by thirteen3 on Apr 19, 2019 14:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by toodarkmark on Apr 20, 2019 18:48:26 GMT -5
Because when I think of people enjoying foreigners, I think of Dallas.
Also, people like to say the Elite leaving didn't matter, and they're just a tshirt company, but they draw. Proof is in the pudding.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 20, 2019 18:49:23 GMT -5
And it's Dallas. People don't understand that to this day, Dallas is still scorched earth for pro wrestling. It begrudgingly accepted WWE finally back some time, but that's as far as it is willing to extend any sort of care for the business. Ever wonder why you almost never hear about Dallas indies? By all rights, should be a hotbed given its location, but nope. Dallas wrestling is in the same place Fritz is, rotting in hell.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 20, 2019 18:55:13 GMT -5
Because when I think of people enjoying foreigners, I think of Dallas. Also, people like to say the Elite leaving didn't matter, and they're just a tshirt company, but they draw. Proof is in the pudding. If nothing else, they'd be promoting it worth a shit.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 20, 2019 19:05:09 GMT -5
Please let this end NJPW’s boner for the american market
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 20, 2019 19:23:38 GMT -5
When they announced they were running Dallas of all places with an arena that massive, I was puzzled.
I feel lack of advertising has been a major factor in the poor sales, but NJPW is just now establishing a presence in the US, and it’s going to take many more years for them to build up enough of a following here they could casually draw fans in the way WWE is able to. The MSG show was a net gain for them in terms of getting more new eyes (the ROH stuff aside) on their product, but New Japan’s still at a cult level of popularity compared to WWE.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 20, 2019 19:30:36 GMT -5
Because when I think of people enjoying foreigners, I think of Dallas. Also, people like to say the Elite leaving didn't matter, and they're just a tshirt company, but they draw. Proof is in the pudding. It is a major American city with a cosomopolitan crowd and a lot of money to spend. I don’t see any reason why it’s weird NJPW would run a show here, especially given one of their major North American homers is based here. They’re just asking for way too much money to attend while also running an enormous arena.
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Post by eJm on Apr 20, 2019 19:35:44 GMT -5
Because when I think of people enjoying foreigners, I think of Dallas. Also, people like to say the Elite leaving didn't matter, and they're just a tshirt company, but they draw. Proof is in the pudding. It is a major American city with a cosomopolitan crowd and a lot of money to spend. I don’t see any reason why it’s weird NJPW would run a show here, especially given one of their major North American homers is based here. They’re just asking for way too much money to attend while also running an enormous arena. I think both of these are right. NJPW probably got a good deal with Mark Cuban but saw Texas as a good wrestling hotspot. They also booked it in the wrong part of Texas whilst in a big arena. It won’t stop the American expansion (they sold out Madison Square Garden, of course they won’t stop) but it feels like a misfire if the wrong person got in their ear ala Cuban)
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 20, 2019 20:02:43 GMT -5
And it's Dallas. People don't understand that to this day, Dallas is still scorched earth for pro wrestling. It begrudgingly accepted WWE finally back some time, but that's as far as it is willing to extend any sort of care for the business. Ever wonder why you almost never hear about Dallas indies? By all rights, should be a hotbed given its location, but nope. Dallas wrestling is in the same place Fritz is, rotting in hell. I guess Dallas ain't going to rasslin. GOING TO NEW JAPAN PRO RASSLIN'!
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 20, 2019 20:21:41 GMT -5
Dallas wrestling is in the same place Fritz is, rotting in hell. I guess Dallas ain't going to rasslin. GOING TO NEW JAPAN PRO RASSLIN'! I took a shit then threw it at Fritz tombstone that’s rasslin Mike, Kerry, and Chris killed themselves now I don’t want to go to rasslin. f*** Glen Goza. I wish you would Goza away!
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 21, 2019 16:40:11 GMT -5
It is a major American city with a cosomopolitan crowd and a lot of money to spend. I don’t see any reason why it’s weird NJPW would run a show here, especially given one of their major North American homers is based here. And like I said earlier, Dallas should work as a wrestling hub. It has all the key ingredients. On paper, it works. But it just...doesn't. Here's a list of every WWE show that took place in Dallas between their local debut in 1984 to 1998: Many of those shows were headlined by Hogan and/or Andre. Piper, Savage, Kerry Von Erich and Warrior all were part of these shows, and WWE couldn't crack 10,000 until 14 years into their trying. Dozens of companies with some money tried to kickstart in Dallas in the years after World Class fell and all of them failed. The indy scene in the years since has been extremely erratic and spotty. No one seems capable of getting even a small stable foothold in the region, no matter their size. Dallas is just super-resistant to becoming a wrestling town again. Again, as I said, they finally accepted WWE (and even then, we all see how often the live Dallas crowds are not always the best - they aren't Corpus Christi, but they do sit on their hands when watching shows). How much of that is directly born out of the toxicity of World Class and the legacy it left to a lot of disillusioned locals? No telling. But for whatever the reasons, Dallas just refuses to embrace the business.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 21, 2019 19:30:52 GMT -5
And it's Dallas. People don't understand that to this day, Dallas is still scorched earth for pro wrestling. It begrudgingly accepted WWE finally back some time, but that's as far as it is willing to extend any sort of care for the business. Ever wonder why you almost never hear about Dallas indies? By all rights, should be a hotbed given its location, but nope. Is there anywhere in Texas anymore? I mean I know it's the size of Europe as a whole, but all I ever hear in terms of wrestling there is mediocre turnouts or places like Corpus "Why in the entirety of earth would you put a PPV here?" Christi. Like, I know most of the guys with American Indy experience have gone, but surely at least one person there could have let them know Chicago or Florida or something were better ideas,
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Post by toodarkmark on Apr 21, 2019 21:08:16 GMT -5
And it's Dallas. People don't understand that to this day, Dallas is still scorched earth for pro wrestling. It begrudgingly accepted WWE finally back some time, but that's as far as it is willing to extend any sort of care for the business. Ever wonder why you almost never hear about Dallas indies? By all rights, should be a hotbed given its location, but nope. Is there anywhere in Texas anymore? I mean I know it's the size of Europe as a whole, but all I ever hear in terms of wrestling there is mediocre turnouts or places like Corpus "Why in the entirety of earth would you put a PPV here?" Christi. Like, I know most of the guys with American Indy experience have gone, but surely at least one person there could have let them know Chicago or Florida or something were better ideas, This is connected to the owner of Axxs TV, Mark Cuban, who also owns the Dallas Mavericks and has a stake in the arena. They may not lose operation costs on the venture.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 22, 2019 4:50:42 GMT -5
Is there anywhere in Texas anymore? I mean I know it's the size of Europe as a whole, but all I ever hear in terms of wrestling there is mediocre turnouts or places like Corpus "Why in the entirety of earth would you put a PPV here?" Christi. Like, I know most of the guys with American Indy experience have gone, but surely at least one person there could have let them know Chicago or Florida or something were better ideas, This is connected to the owner of Axxs TV, Mark Cuban, who also owns the Dallas Mavericks and has a stake in the arena. They may not lose operation costs on the venture. So, they found a literal money Mark?
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Post by Raskovnik on Apr 22, 2019 5:33:01 GMT -5
And it's Dallas. People don't understand that to this day, Dallas is still scorched earth for pro wrestling. It begrudgingly accepted WWE finally back some time, but that's as far as it is willing to extend any sort of care for the business. Ever wonder why you almost never hear about Dallas indies? By all rights, should be a hotbed given its location, but nope. Forgive my ignorance on the matter, but what happened to make Dallas the way it presently is?
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 22, 2019 5:34:31 GMT -5
And it's Dallas. People don't understand that to this day, Dallas is still scorched earth for pro wrestling. It begrudgingly accepted WWE finally back some time, but that's as far as it is willing to extend any sort of care for the business. Ever wonder why you almost never hear about Dallas indies? By all rights, should be a hotbed given its location, but nope. Forgive my ignorance on the matter, but what happened to make Dallas the way it presently is? The Von Erichs happened. Their downfall soured many people on wrestling in general. Watching a family disintegrate can do that.
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Post by toodarkmark on Apr 22, 2019 7:47:09 GMT -5
This is connected to the owner of Axxs TV, Mark Cuban, who also owns the Dallas Mavericks and has a stake in the arena. They may not lose operation costs on the venture. So, they found a literal money Mark? No but they may not need to pay arena costs which is like finding money.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 22, 2019 9:24:42 GMT -5
So, they found a literal money Mark? No but they may not need to pay arena costs which is like finding money. Still, though, I lobby they book Mark Cuban in a match as "Money Mark".
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