|
|
Post by Eddie Brock on Apr 26, 2019 0:00:12 GMT -5
I just rewatched Friday The 13th Parts 3-8 on Prime, and it got me thinking. Why did New Line go through with another sequel, rather than giving us Freddy vs. Jason asap? I still think it was pointless and totally unnecessary to do a ninth movie only to set up FvJ when it could've been completely avoided altogether.
Why go through with an entire film that doesn't even feature Jason, except for the very beginning and end, and ends up with Jason being dragged down into hell? I mean wasn't he already dead at the end of Part 8?
It actually ended with no surprise or tease of him alive. What makes matters worse is that he's just up and walking after being melted away by toxic waste with no explanation as to how he managed to come back to life this time. At least the other sequels showed him being brought back to life before he starts killing again and to top it all off Part 9 was terrible.
So what if FvJ had been released instead in 1993 and Part 9 never happened at all would it be better 10 years earlier?
|
|
Paul
Vegeta
Posts: 9,239 
|
Post by Paul on Apr 26, 2019 0:01:03 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that they originally wanted to do it in 1987/88 as Friday The 13th VII.
|
|
Juice
El Dandy
Wrong? Oh he can tell ya about being wrong.
I'm the one who raised you from perdition.
Posts: 8,172
|
Post by Juice on Apr 26, 2019 0:16:25 GMT -5
I believe it was a rights issue based on distribution. I cannot remember exactly but it’s covered in various documentaries including never sleep again.
|
|
|
|
Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 26, 2019 0:43:05 GMT -5
Honestly, reading and looking at a good chunk of the scripts for FvJ I think we ended up with the best possible outcome.
|
|
hassanchop
Grimlock
Who are you to doubt Belldandy?
Posts: 14,770
|
Post by hassanchop on Apr 26, 2019 2:04:21 GMT -5
I remember one of the original scripts involved Jason's motivation for fighting Freddy was because he molested Jason as a little boy while working as a camp counselor at Crystal Lake, and he was the one that got him drowned so he wouldn't tell. And it was his mother that lead the angry mob killing of Freddy, which also gives another motivation why she killed the camp counselors because they remind her of Krueger. Another script had a weird New Nightmare meta narrative where every title in the Nightmare and Friday franchises were just movies and we see the real Freddy and Jason.
|
|
|
|
Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 26, 2019 15:05:44 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that they originally wanted to do it in 1987/88 as Friday The 13th VII. While I loved the movie we got in 03, both characters were in their prime and each coming off their hottest movies to date in 87/88 (Jason Lives and Dream Warriors). I could easily see a version of The New Blood that still uses most of the same characters but manages to weave Freddy into the plot seamlessly. |
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Apr 26, 2019 16:47:23 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that they originally wanted to do it in 1987/88 as Friday The 13th VII. While I loved the movie we got in 03, both characters were in their prime and each coming off their hottest movies to date in 87/88 (Jason Lives and Dream Warriors). I could easily see a version of The New Blood that still uses most of the same characters but manages to weave Freddy into the plot seamlessly. Instead, they downgraded to Jason vs. (an imposter) Carrie. |
|
|
|
Post by wildojinx on Apr 26, 2019 17:08:52 GMT -5
In 1993, the slasher film genre wasnt very big, even Jason Goes to Hell isnt well-liked by most of the fanbase, and New Nightmare was outside the main continuity and had a different tone (it pretty much had to to work). 2003 was probably the best time as it could cash in on 80s nostalgia and still have enough modern elements to hook in the younger audience.
|
|
|
|
Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 26, 2019 18:05:29 GMT -5
While I loved the movie we got in 03, both characters were in their prime and each coming off their hottest movies to date in 87/88 (Jason Lives and Dream Warriors). I could easily see a version of The New Blood that still uses most of the same characters but manages to weave Freddy into the plot seamlessly. Instead, they downgraded to Jason vs. (an imposter) Carrie. Honestly, take away the whole telekinesis subplot and you could still have Tina as the heroine that's haunted by Freddy. Just send the family to Crystal Lake in the hopes that some time away will help her nightmares. Boom, there's your movie. |
|
|
|
Post by Tenshigure on Apr 26, 2019 18:18:28 GMT -5
In 1993, the slasher film genre wasnt very big, even Jason Goes to Hell isnt well-liked by most of the fanbase, and New Nightmare was outside the main continuity and had a different tone (it pretty much had to to work). 2003 was probably the best time as it could cash in on 80s nostalgia and still have enough modern elements to hook in the younger audience. I'd say move it further back into like '98 when movies like Scream and I Know What You Did Last Summer revived the genre. By late 2003, we were getting over the campy slasher films and headed straight into "torture porn" like House of 1000 Corpses, Saw, and Hostel. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 10:33:41 GMT -5
Wes Craven coming back to do New Nightmare was what essentially threw off their plans for FvJ.
They made Jason X to keep the rights at New Line (along the way, the head of New Line who was a supporter of these movies resigned, which delayed Jason X's American release) and then that movie bombed which probably killed a proper continuation of it all into Freddy vs. Jason. The new folks at New Line, in addition to the director they hired for FvJ, decided to recast Jason and freshen it all up as a "sequel in spirit" to those original franchises -- not horribly inconvenient to Freddy at that point, but definitely for Jason and the Friday the 13th continuity.
In a way, New Line chose to side with Freddy (their baby) over Jason (their step-baby) whenever possible.
|
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Apr 29, 2019 10:45:39 GMT -5
Wes Craven coming back to do New Nightmare was what essentially threw off their plans for FvJ. They made Jason X to keep the rights at New Line (along the way, the head of New Line who was a supporter of these movies resigned, which delayed Jason X's American release) and then that movie bombed which probably killed a proper continuation of it all into Freddy vs. Jason. The new folks at New Line, in addition to the director they hired for FvJ, decided to recast Jason and freshen it all up as a "sequel in spirit" to those original franchises -- not horribly inconvenient to Freddy at that point, but definitely for Jason and the Friday the 13th continuity. In a way, New Line chose to side with Freddy (their baby) over Jason (their step-baby) whenever possible. Almost like Jason was...inVading New Line and needed to be put in his place? /On the other hand, Jason isn't one to join any alliances... |
|
