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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 11, 2019 21:40:48 GMT -5
The commentary, I hate it more than anything,. Way too much focus on catchphrases and T shirt slogans. Its as formulaic and unoriginal as video game commentary. It's just awful, they ignore reality of the situation. The reactions are pathetic and they telegraph near falls so you know whether or not it's a near fall or not.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 21:51:21 GMT -5
The commentary is probably number 1 on my list.
I know they have a LOT of problems but if I could change just ONE, it would be the commentary. Especially Michael Cole.
NXTs commentary is great and adds to the spectacle of what you’re watching. I don’t think half of those “5 star matches” would be as good if Michael Cole was commentating instead of Mauro. That’s my opinion.
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Post by mcstoklasa on May 11, 2019 22:04:14 GMT -5
"Hey reigns/cena sure is getting booed a lot. Should we go with it and turn them heel?"
"........ Nah."
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on May 11, 2019 22:09:56 GMT -5
That so much time is devoted to people standing in the ring, talking about fighting... and people backstage talking about fighting... and people in prerecorded segments that are talking about fighting... that it feels like the actual wrestling has become an afterthought.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on May 12, 2019 0:30:43 GMT -5
I hate how little I care about a company I’ve watched for over 30 years.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 12, 2019 0:31:44 GMT -5
Vince McMahon. Lars Sullivan. The lack of anything resembling a storyline.
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Post by Clint Bobski on May 12, 2019 2:16:39 GMT -5
From a personal point of view - I started watching the company in 1992 - I survived the New Generation era, the reign of terror, the guest hosts - but now I'm hanging on by a thread, I don't give a crap the MITB is coming up, I used to watch highlights on Youtube (can't get access to Raw and Smackdown) but for a month now I haven't even bothered with that, I saw last week's Raw top 10 and knew I wasn't missing anything it's sad that there is so many of the roster I like, including some of them as current champions. But the current WWE is just so hard to enjoy I also recently cancelled my network subscription for the first time since it came to the UK I genuinely do hope they win me back over again, but at the moment it doesn't feel likely. I'm exactly the same and started watching at the same time as you. I only keep my Network subscription to watch old PPVs and the WCW archive, I rarely watch the new stuff or any of the ridiculous material they put on there as exclusives. I do genuinely think that there is a contempt for the fanbase, particularly those who don't subscribe to Vince's grand plan.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on May 12, 2019 2:45:33 GMT -5
The lack of continuity.
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Post by metylerca on May 12, 2019 3:00:39 GMT -5
Lars. Sullivan.
And Ulrich.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on May 12, 2019 3:41:20 GMT -5
Their (attempted) aggressive colonisation of the industry.
I don't enjoy the WWE product very much for a number of reasons and haven't done for years, which is fine, I just don't watch it very often. But Vince McMahon doesn't want anyone else to be able to promote wrestling, so a lot of the alternatives have been ruined or crushed. WWE gobbling WCW and ECW made me stop watching wrestling for years, and then the independents started to gain momentum and it became quite exciting again, until WWE started sniffing around. Now they've got their hands all over Evolve - which is for all intents and purposes now a WWE farm territory - and are picking promotions like PWG clean of talent, stockpiling wrestlers and leaving them to languish on some NXT house show loop for months.
What really hurts me is the expansion into the UK/European scene, where they've infiltrated Progress and ICW and got a lot of the best talent tied down. Progress' monthly Dome shows in London that I used to go to with my friends disappeared, and the booking became increasingly pedestrian. Perhaps it's a coincidence, but I doubt it. The Progress roster in particular has been depleted because anyone who gains some momentum gets snatched, and now with the UK Performance Center they don't even have to wait until a promising wrestler is trained. I've been to the last few WXW shows in London and always looked forward to seeing Walter's matches because they always delivered, but where was he for the most recent one? Having a dark match at Royal Rumble Axxess against f***ing Danny Birch. The indys who aren't in bed with WWE have had their booking ruined because WWE has signed wrestlers to non-exclusive contracts but are still dictating where they can and can't work.
Now NJPW is becoming more and more popular in the west and not content with just ruining wrestling in North America and Europe, there are now mutterings about NXT Japan. And to be totally honest, if it does happen then I hope it fails.
I mean, I have a laundry list of things I don't like about it - the garish presentation, the camerawork that makes me want to vomit, a product that is at best tedious and contrived, the fact that there's far too much of it to keep track of, the endless buzzwords, the embarrassing attempts to turn it into some global entertainment brand, the self-congratulation, the Saudi propaganda, the fact that Stephanie McMahon still puts herself on television - but this is the one that rankles with me the most. I'm aware this probably makes me sound like the worst kind of "smark" douchebag, but they've taken my wrestling away.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 4:06:58 GMT -5
More than anything I think just how little respect they have for their audience. They know people don't give a shit about a Reigns or a Lars, but push them anyway. They know people care about Rusev, doesn't matter, he's not doing anything. They know contract signings are a bunch of boring played out repetitive bullshit but who cares, you people will lap it up anyway. Meanwhile they seem to think their audience are completely brain dead and need every single thing explained to them every single time, down to writing everyone to constantly clunkily use whatever the current buzzwords are to explain a point because they think people will be confused if a single person talks like a human being about it. Like how this year they suddenly can't shut the f*** up about the Money in the Bank Contract Ladder Match.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 12, 2019 6:42:21 GMT -5
It’s not even wrestling and hasn’t been for years. It’s just a show about bad comedy with a mediocre authority figure in which everything goes wrong and he’s trying to fix it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 12, 2019 6:44:23 GMT -5
How friggin' sterile everything feels. Seeing the same people doing the same things every week. Three person announce teams trampling all over each other and spouting overproduced garbage. How they have to be dragged kicking and screaming into changing things up. KEVIN DUNN. Vince's obsession with celebrities and mainstream attention. Face turns where the turnee loses the parts of their gimmick that made them popular in the first place. The disconnect between NXT and the main roster. Ask the mainstream how they feel about rasslin and why Rock don’t even do cameos anymore.
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Post by willywonka666 on May 12, 2019 7:43:51 GMT -5
Predictability.
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Post by Nickybojelais on May 12, 2019 10:50:55 GMT -5
I agree with virtually every post in this thread.
But what I hate the most is that you have a genre where you have a blank canvas to create something compelling, action packed and exciting. Yet all their team of 18,000 writers manage to create is the most boring, stale and paint by numbers show on television.
They used to say "anything can happen in WWE"...so how come virtually nothing happens on Raw and Smackdown anymore?
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Post by Hit Girl on May 12, 2019 11:38:18 GMT -5
Practically all of the things listed trace back to Vince. As long as he's around, nothing will change. When he's gone, I'll reconsider my decision to not watch the product.
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Post by The Ichi on May 12, 2019 11:47:45 GMT -5
The smark fans who do nothing but complain. *sigh* And what about the fans who have stated, multiple times, that they are just tired of the same boring shit week after week? The product is dull. Numbers are dropping. Morale is dying for fans AND WWE employees. People's complaints are legitimate. If you enjoy this overproduced repeating garbage...good for you. But the things people are listing here are real problems. The WWE is making lifelong fans, not just smarks, turn away. Smarks will watch no matter what to critique and criticize the product. The fans who want to be entertained, and who have ridden the bad times with the good, are the ones checking out. That tells you that the product today is trash. I agree with you, but you should really consider not watching anymore if it's reached that point for you.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 12, 2019 11:59:12 GMT -5
Everyone made great points.
So I'll say, how they pretend to be good people. How charitable they are. Then segment after segment on how charitable they are. Forget the ring boys molested in the early 90s. Forget running shows the same day as competitor's PPVs in the same city. Forget not allowing competitors to run the the same buildings. Forget taking glee in ruining other people's lives and creating a monopoly. Forget taking Saudi Arabia's propaganda money. Forget who Mother McMahon gave a fortune to and got a job with. Forget extending Luke Harper's and Revival's contracts because of injuries they got working for you. Forget all the wrestlers who felt so much pressure to tour and wrestle while hurt that they took enough pain killers to die in their hotel rooms, while you then used their deaths in an angle for TV. Forget pushing a racist.
Forget all of it, because they're so charitable.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 12, 2019 13:21:39 GMT -5
The feeling that I've already seen it all and WWE is incapable of doing anything new anymore.
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Post by wakko on May 12, 2019 13:30:59 GMT -5
They hardly tell stories in the ring anymore. And when they do, it's between two people have generic personalities. No one really stands out anymore. I have stated in other threads, but almost everyone is interchangeable.
That is the one thing the Attitude Era did right. Everyone had characters that you could tell apart. Bring that back.
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