Spider2024
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Post by Spider2024 on May 13, 2019 16:40:02 GMT -5
Occasionally in a movie or TV show, the trope of "it was all a dream" can bother us on some occasions, even though it shouldn't, because, you know, so what if a part of an already fictional story turned out to be intentionally fictional? It's like 'cheating in a fake fight', is that low? Like how Nostalgia Critic freaked out in a major way at the end of the movie "North".
Somehow the episode "Fresh Prince, the Movie" left me flat because the story Will told was building up and building up and then... nothing. Again, in kayfabe, that was the actual point of Will telling that story in the episode, completely fantasizing a fantastical story just so that he could distract a fellow poker player and take all his money. Still.
Also, the episode of The Simpsons where Bart digs a hole. Why was he digging the mysterious hole? No matter, because Bart was never actually digging any hole, Homer was just telling a tall tale for... reasons. Again, still. (Although I dislike that for the additional reason being that that particular episode is one of my main picks for the question 'When did The Simpsons start to suck for you?')
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 13, 2019 17:21:27 GMT -5
Without going too much into spoilers it spoils a big chunk of the movie Blood Freak. I mean it’s still an awesome movie, but I wish that device wasn’t included.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on May 14, 2019 9:32:06 GMT -5
Ooooh, I get to mention it first?! ROSEANNE!
I didn't seem to mind it quite as much as most people but I'm pretty sure the series ending was fairly hated. Also, thinking about it, it may not be a proper "dream" ending but I'd say it counts.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 14, 2019 9:52:19 GMT -5
I can't remember the last time I saw that type of ending in a movie or TV show, which is a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 10:03:06 GMT -5
I swear I saw something recently that did this, and it annoyed me somewhat..... but now I can't remember.
Was......was I dreaming about watching something about it all being a dream and then I woke up and forgot the dream?
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Post by Nosnorb on May 14, 2019 10:27:07 GMT -5
Any time. It is just such a cop out and usually means there is no character development for the protagonist, because everything happened in a few hours in his head.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 14, 2019 10:37:10 GMT -5
How about good uses of it? The best seem to be not literally "just a dream" but something similar in effect
Jacob's Ladder comes to mind.
I think Brazil used this at the end too but only to show that a happy ending was a delusion and not for the whole movie
The Matrix of course
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Post by HMARK Center on May 14, 2019 11:04:27 GMT -5
How about good uses of it? The best seem to be not literally "just a dream" but something similar in effect Jacob's Ladder comes to mind. I think Brazil used this at the end too but only to show that a happy ending was a delusion and not for the whole movie The Matrix of course The ending of Brazil is so devastating that the studio forced Gilliam to chop and edit together a happy ending version of it that got included on most of its TV airings, and it's just insane to watch when your first exposure to the film was the original ending.
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Post by bibboid on May 14, 2019 12:40:15 GMT -5
Married With Children retconned an entire season this way. Peggy and Marcie were never actually pregnant. Bud never transformed into Grandmaster B. It was a cheap, lazy way for the writers to get themselves out of the corner they wrote themselves into.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 14, 2019 13:20:03 GMT -5
Ooooh, I get to mention it first?! ROSEANNE! I didn't seem to mind it quite as much as most people but I'm pretty sure the series ending was fairly hated. Also, thinking about it, it may not be a proper "dream" ending but I'd say it counts. Well the whole series' existence pre-Conners is now just a dream, no?
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Post by Hit Girl on May 14, 2019 13:21:02 GMT -5
Dallas
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Post by James Fabiano on May 14, 2019 13:22:14 GMT -5
Married With Children retconned an entire season this way. Peggy and Marcie were never actually pregnant. Bud never transformed into Grandmaster B. It was a cheap, lazy way for the writers to get themselves out of the corner they wrote themselves into. TBF, Real Life Wrote The Script. Had Katey Sagal been okay, this part would probably have continued/stayed canon. But hey, we got Seven as a consolation prize! ;-) ;-) ;-) My vote is for the actual Brittas Empire series finale. They wasted the good one on the end of the Fegen/Norriss era, then when they had to do two more series, they needed something else.
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Post by Spider2024 on May 14, 2019 13:34:33 GMT -5
Married With Children retconned an entire season this way. Peggy and Marcie were never actually pregnant. Bud never transformed into Grandmaster B. It was a cheap, lazy way for the writers to get themselves out of the corner they wrote themselves into. TBF, Real Life Wrote The Script. Had Katey Sagal been okay, this part would probably have continued/stayed canon. But hey, we got Seven as a consolation prize! ;-) ;-) ;-) My vote is for the actual Brittas Empire series finale. They wasted the good one on the end of the Fegen/Norriss era, then when they had to do two more series, they needed something else. Yeah, I'm tempted to say that they retconned it all because they felt so terrible over the fact that she had miscarried. Like they couldn't in all consciousness do anything else, like in all those other TV shows where a major actor/actress dies IRL during the show's run, and some people say they pretty much need to end the show out of respect.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 14, 2019 13:42:50 GMT -5
A World Without Zinc
the fact it was a dream was obvious the whole time
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 14, 2019 14:05:02 GMT -5
Ooooh, I get to mention it first?! ROSEANNE! I didn't seem to mind it quite as much as most people but I'm pretty sure the series ending was fairly hated. Also, thinking about it, it may not be a proper "dream" ending but I'd say it counts. Well the whole series' existence pre-Conners is now just a dream, no? Since I recently did a re watch of Roseanne,and going by what Roseanne said in the last minutes of the original finale every thing from episode 5 or so of season 3 was the story Roseanne.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on May 14, 2019 14:08:25 GMT -5
Ooooh, I get to mention it first?! ROSEANNE! I didn't seem to mind it quite as much as most people but I'm pretty sure the series ending was fairly hated. Also, thinking about it, it may not be a proper "dream" ending but I'd say it counts. Well the whole series' existence pre-Conners is now just a dream, no? I think Dan waking up in the premier actually only made his death in the original series a dream. Past that, I assume everything else was the same since it continued as normal. I would assume the bit about the book could be explained away in that she either got turned down for publishing or just did it as a pipedream and form of therapy and never took it any further. That's just my interpretation, though.
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Post by DSR on May 14, 2019 21:45:23 GMT -5
When I used to read Word Up magazine.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 14, 2019 21:58:01 GMT -5
That episode of Family Guy where Stewie killed Lois. Just because you acknowledge that you're doing it, doesn't make it okay.
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Post by Shark on May 14, 2019 22:22:06 GMT -5
Twilight Breaking Dawn Part 2. They have a massive climactic battle where multiple main characters die and die brutal deaths and it is all undone because it's just a vision the bad guy has so everyone, except Maggie Grace, lives and we have the peaceful ending of the book. This annoyed me because the first time that the movies had any sort of tension or excitement or weight or stakes is all totally undone.
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Post by cjh on May 14, 2019 23:48:22 GMT -5
Married With Children retconned an entire season this way. Peggy and Marcie were never actually pregnant. Bud never transformed into Grandmaster B. It was a cheap, lazy way for the writers to get themselves out of the corner they wrote themselves into. Looking it up, it was 1/2 a season (first 11 episodes out of 26). I believe they actually planned to write a new Bundy child into the show, but when Katey Sagal suffered a miscarriage, they went with the dream scenario. The Grandmaster B character started as just a part of Al's dream, but it became real after Al gave the idea to Bud at the end of the dream reveal episode.
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