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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 23, 2020 19:00:42 GMT -5
For one, it's just kinda funny to say that outside of the years he won 8 playoff games, he never won any playoff games. Take away his 4 playoff losses and he's undefeated in the playoffs. Neither of those ideas make sense to actually do. Why compare Luck to HOF QBs of different eras? Luck played in the post-Peyton and Brady rule changes, in the era of inflated QB numbers. If you compare Cam's first 8 seasons as a passer and Marino's, they're not incredibly far off. The difference is Marino was quite a bit better than his peers as a passer and Cam was 16th in the league in passing his only All Pro season. It's like comparing Reggie Miller's 3PA/3PM averages to Eric Gordon star 7th man on an average Rockets squad today. Inflated numbers per era doesn't mean better. Two of those guys are in the argument for greatest of all time, and two of them definitely are not. I was primarily comparing Luck’s TD to INT ratio, which was Skip’s main talking point. I would never compare general passing stats as they don’t compare. Of the HoF QBs, only Montana had a better ratio than Luck (Young had roughly the same ratio as Luck and the rest had a worse ratio).
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Post by sfvega on Jan 23, 2020 19:21:11 GMT -5
For one, it's just kinda funny to say that outside of the years he won 8 playoff games, he never won any playoff games. Take away his 4 playoff losses and he's undefeated in the playoffs. Neither of those ideas make sense to actually do. Why compare Luck to HOF QBs of different eras? Luck played in the post-Peyton and Brady rule changes, in the era of inflated QB numbers. If you compare Cam's first 8 seasons as a passer and Marino's, they're not incredibly far off. The difference is Marino was quite a bit better than his peers as a passer and Cam was 16th in the league in passing his only All Pro season. It's like comparing Reggie Miller's 3PA/3PM averages to Eric Gordon star 7th man on an average Rockets squad today. Inflated numbers per era doesn't mean better. Two of those guys are in the argument for greatest of all time, and two of them definitely are not. I was primarily comparing Luck’s TD to INT ratio, which was Skip’s main talking point. I would never compare general passing stats as they don’t compare. Of the HoF QBs, only Montana had a better ratio than Luck (Young had roughly the same ratio as Luck and the rest had a worse ratio). That's still not accurate era to era. The bar is your peers. Not that I'd expect Skip Bayless to make a cogent point. Good QBs used to have a 2:1 or 3:1 TD:INT ratio. In 2018 alone, 4 QBs had 25 or more TD passes and a 5:1 TD:INT and Mahomes came damn close to having 50 TDs and a 5:1 ratio as well. QBs are more accurate now, but defenses are much more hamstrung and WRs are more specialized. QB and WR ability and timing have improved at a rate higher than defenders' skill to defend. They are already at a disadvantage, but the way the game is called and legislated has also had an artificial increase in these overall numbers. It isn't so much a case of like in men's tennis where we just coincidentally have the X number of best QBs ever playing all at the same time. But even "average" QBs put up numbers even in TD:INT that are comparable to all-time greats. I'd bet Kirk Cousins' numbers look a lot like Joe Montana's in TD:INT.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 23, 2020 21:42:25 GMT -5
For one, it's just kinda funny to say that outside of the years he won 8 playoff games, he never won any playoff games. Take away his 4 playoff losses and he's undefeated in the playoffs. Neither of those ideas make sense to actually do. Why compare Luck to HOF QBs of different eras? Luck played in the post-Peyton and Brady rule changes, in the era of inflated QB numbers. If you compare Cam's first 8 seasons as a passer and Marino's, they're not incredibly far off. The difference is Marino was quite a bit better than his peers as a passer and Cam was 16th in the league in passing his only All Pro season. It's like comparing Reggie Miller's 3PA/3PM averages to Eric Gordon star 7th man on an average Rockets squad today. Inflated numbers per era doesn't mean better. Two of those guys are in the argument for greatest of all time, and two of them definitely are not. I was primarily comparing Luck’s TD to INT ratio, which was Skip’s main talking point. I would never compare general passing stats as they don’t compare. Of the HoF QBs, only Montana had a better ratio than Luck (Young had roughly the same ratio as Luck and the rest had a worse ratio). Skip has a hatred boner for Luck Since he said RG3 should have been the number 1 pick and will have a better career, that shit did not happen and he's just been shitting on luck since
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 23, 2020 23:05:31 GMT -5
And Antonio Brown has turned himself in.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 23, 2020 23:06:27 GMT -5
I mean if Namath is in for being a NY QB with a ring and not much else... Broadway Joe has more INTs than TDs. Dude is in because he guaranteed Super Bowl III. And in other news...Antonio Brown has turned himself in.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 24, 2020 0:06:37 GMT -5
And Antonio Brown has turned himself in. First intelligent thing he has done in the past year. As much I dislike him, I am glad that this resolved itself this way. Honestly, based on the warrant issued for him the cops would eventually have stormed his house guns out, so this could have ended very badly.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 24, 2020 11:26:29 GMT -5
apnews.com/8a88d4d188c04751d9731a49081d5d3cThe Saints owner/owners that are devoutly catholic tried to use their power and influence to help catholic priests cover up their pedophilia sex crimes... That is a very bad look for the Saints and the NFL.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 24, 2020 11:30:52 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhxDfz2QaRo&feature=emb_err_watch_on_ytThis is very painful to watch, Lamar Jackson in the pro bowl accuracy competition. He got beat by WR's at this......but if you watch is footwork you can see why he's not an accurate passer and the way his upper body moves, he's going to have career long struggles with this stuff.
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Post by BRV on Jan 24, 2020 12:06:30 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhxDfz2QaRo&feature=emb_err_watch_on_ytThis is very painful to watch, Lamar Jackson in the pro bowl accuracy competition. He got beat by WR's at this......but if you watch is footwork you can see why he's not an accurate passer and the way his upper body moves, he's going to have career long struggles with this stuff. It's not even that his throws are wildly inaccurate, they're also not even close to being spirals. Some of those deep balls come wobbling down to earth like dying birds. Between this showing and his performance in the Ravens' woeful playoff loss, it's becoming readily apparent that Lamar Jackson still has a ton to work on as a passer.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 24, 2020 14:32:21 GMT -5
apnews.com/8a88d4d188c04751d9731a49081d5d3cThe Saints owner/owners that are devoutly catholic tried to use their power and influence to help catholic priests cover up their pedophilia sex crimes... That is a very bad look for the Saints and the NFL. As more trickles out about this it keeps looking worse.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 24, 2020 14:58:46 GMT -5
And Antonio Brown has turned himself in. The more I think about it, the more I suspect CTE, particularly from Vontaze Burfict’s hit in the playoffs. The judge ordered a mental health evaluation, and while it can’t be diagnosed, we may get some more explanation.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 24, 2020 15:13:24 GMT -5
And Antonio Brown has turned himself in. The more I think about it, the more I suspect CTE, particularly from Vontaze Burfict’s hit in the playoffs. The judge ordered a mental health evaluation, and while it can’t be diagnosed, we may get some more explanation. Yeah, I always hate to suspect this kind of thing on people because there's no actual way to confirm it while he's still alive, but he went from relatively incident free to complete douchebag after that hit.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 24, 2020 15:14:49 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhxDfz2QaRo&feature=emb_err_watch_on_ytThis is very painful to watch, Lamar Jackson in the pro bowl accuracy competition. He got beat by WR's at this......but if you watch is footwork you can see why he's not an accurate passer and the way his upper body moves, he's going to have career long struggles with this stuff. It's not even that his throws are wildly inaccurate, they're also not even close to being spirals. Some of those deep balls come wobbling down to earth like dying birds. Between this showing and his performance in the Ravens' woeful playoff loss, it's becoming readily apparent that Lamar Jackson still has a ton to work on as a passer. It's why some people were quick to say "Let's see him do it when it matters" in the midst of all the ballwashing during the regular season. When the playoffs hit, teams figure you out and unless you're able to adapt, you're screwed
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Post by sfvega on Jan 24, 2020 15:14:58 GMT -5
And Antonio Brown has turned himself in. The more I think about it, the more I suspect CTE, particularly from Vontaze Burfict’s hit in the playoffs. The judge ordered a mental health evaluation, and while it can’t be diagnosed, we may get some more explanation. I was thinking about that this morning. Dude's behavior is erratic and impulsive. He could just be a jackass. He could just be unstable. Or he could have some serious brain damage that will get worse as he ages. Luckily for him, Burfict has never had a brain to damage otherwise he would probably be in the same boat.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 16:18:09 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhxDfz2QaRo&feature=emb_err_watch_on_ytThis is very painful to watch, Lamar Jackson in the pro bowl accuracy competition. He got beat by WR's at this......but if you watch is footwork you can see why he's not an accurate passer and the way his upper body moves, he's going to have career long struggles with this stuff. He has a bright future but yeah he needs to fix that and has not improved as much as the Ravens wanted to hype it up Still a great season and will be MVP but until he beats people with his arm, he will be f***ed because people are going to take their chances with him running and crowding the line
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 24, 2020 16:23:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I wonder if AB isn't just a delusional narcissistic dickhead. We're always quick to say trauma or CTE or mental problems, but what if he just has a team of enablers filling his head with this insane shit?
Not everybody is crazy or sick. There are still a lot of honest to god genuine assholes out there.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 24, 2020 17:17:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I wonder if AB isn't just a delusional narcissistic dickhead. We're always quick to say trauma or CTE or mental problems, but what if he just has a team of enablers filling his head with this insane shit? Not everybody is crazy or sick. There are still a lot of honest to god genuine assholes out there. From everything that came out of Pittsburgh, it is pretty obvious that he was more than a handful prior to the injury. He just got worse in the last couple of years.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 18:47:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I wonder if AB isn't just a delusional narcissistic dickhead. We're always quick to say trauma or CTE or mental problems, but what if he just has a team of enablers filling his head with this insane shit? Not everybody is crazy or sick. There are still a lot of honest to god genuine assholes out there. He was a bit of a headcase but Football has def worsened him The Burfict hit is what everyone points too as as turning point. He went from Diva to just out his mind these last few years
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Post by sfvega on Jan 24, 2020 19:08:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I wonder if AB isn't just a delusional narcissistic dickhead. We're always quick to say trauma or CTE or mental problems, but what if he just has a team of enablers filling his head with this insane shit? Not everybody is crazy or sick. There are still a lot of honest to god genuine assholes out there. He was a bit of a headcase but Football has def worsened him The Burfict hit is what everyone points too as as turning point. He went from Diva to just out his mind these last few years Yeah, Brown went from being a guy who thought highly of himself (far from the 1st WR to do that, even at his uppity-est) to a guy who is completely out of control. Whether that is him just losing all self-control or brought on by head trauma is anyone's guess. That's why this issue is so tricky. Nobody knows. Even if he cared enough to have a doctor or a neurologist, this stuff is incredibly complicated and new and specialized. None of us know where he really lies. It's all conjecture. And I'm tempted to say you can't count it down to one concussion, because there are so many sub-concussive hits that doctors are saying are the real problem and what makes football so dangerous and impossible to police from a head trauma standpoint. But then again, the case of Arron Sears kinda flies in the face of my theory.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 19:15:32 GMT -5
He was a bit of a headcase but Football has def worsened him The Burfict hit is what everyone points too as as turning point. He went from Diva to just out his mind these last few years Yeah, Brown went from being a guy who thought highly of himself (far from the 1st WR to do that, even at his uppity-est) to a guy who is completely out of control. Whether that is him just losing all self-control or brought on by head trauma is anyone's guess. That's why this issue is so tricky. Nobody knows. Even if he cared enough to have a doctor or a neurologist, this stuff is incredibly complicated and new and specialized. None of us know where he really lies. It's all conjecture. And I'm tempted to say you can't count it down to one concussion, because there are so many sub-concussive hits that doctors are saying are the real problem and what makes football so dangerous and impossible to police from a head trauma standpoint. But then again, the case of Arron Sears kinda flies in the face of my theory. He was a diva in an era where that is getting phased out but it was doable because come gametime you knew he was probably the best player on the field but now, he can't stay on the field I don't think that one hit f***ed him over but it probably was the straw that broke everything. This is erratic and wild behavior and with brain science still being new you can't call it. The best someone could hope for is he actually went to a hospital and let them give him every test but he's not going to do that This is one of those fine lines where he is aware of what he is doing so he's not "crazy" but he's got issues that only can be resolved if he ask for help
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