Caring About Match Outcomes vs. "Just Enjoying the Show"

[Crappler El 0 M]

do you care about story outcomes in TV shows or movies? do you care about outcomes in sports?

[Dub H]

I get what you mean now.

There can definitely be matches where who you want to win loses and its enjoyable:

Ex: Asuka vs Becky Lynch.Becky was the favorite and people still liked the story. Or (personally) Dolph vs Ambrose ,or Ambrose vs AJfor the title,I wanted Dolph/Ambrose to win but the history was still really good.

A issue WWE has is that winning and losing are a giant tell.And people either lose all the time or win all the time.And WWE has almost no good will.

For example when Asuka lost to Charlotte,people already knew that was the end of Asuka,both times. And WWE proved then correct. I think other companies like NJPW have a much bigger good will in regards of that.

[ssdrivin]

Jun 6, 2019 20:26:47 GMT -5 Dub H said:

I get what you mean now.

There can definitely be matches where who you want to win loses and its enjoyable:

Ex: Asuka vs Becky Lynch.Becky was the favorite and people still liked the story. Or (personally) Dolph vs Ambrose ,or Ambrose vs AJfor the title,I wanted Dolph/Ambrose to win but the history was still really good.

A issue WWE has is that winning and losing are a giant tell.And people either lose all the time or win all the time.And WWE has almost no good will.

For example when Asuka lost to Charlotte,people already knew that was the end of Asuka,both times. And WWE proved then correct. I think other companies like NJPW have a much bigger good will in regards of that.

You mention Dolph, he's one example of a guy who I've generally always found to be pretty dull and often unlikable, so in many matches I would want him to get squashed in a few minutes so we can move right along to something else.

But occasionally, just occasionally, they'll have him win (edit: in a match that's not just a generic midcard nothing). And y'know what? Sometimes I actually kinda like that, because that sometimes means "we're actually going to put some effort into this guy now, he's just been hanging around, but he should really be going somewhere" and I might actually begin to like him again. It's that thing where you have some serial jobber that seems to be coming out of their cocoon, they get a new gimmick, they look like they're rising up... and then WWE gets bored three weeks later, shrugs, and puts them right back where they were before, rendering the whole exercise a total waste of everybody's time, effort, and investment. So in that sense, sometimes I do enjoy seeing Dolph (who, going into the match, I could consider the guy I want to see go away) take the win, if it looks like it's actually going to mean something, even if he's winning against a guy who I like way better right now. But WWE tends to waste that, so it notches up a loss for a guy I liked against this dumb jobber who (but for three weeks of promise) has never done anything worthwhile and who's now pointlessly boring again. It makes my guy look bad and betrays my benefit of the doubt as a viewer, so I don't trust WWE to do that any more.

[Juice]

Telling the OP same thing I’ve said about Game of Thrones. It wasn’t the outcome that kept us from enjoying it, it was the journey to it.