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Post by KofiMania on Jul 13, 2019 11:35:41 GMT -5
Exonerated? She either had texts on her phone or she didn't. Unless she's actually Kevin Nash and she texted herself She responded to said texts for months. Without raising a stink. These things can be avoided if after first text she said stop and went to hr Yes it may sound that simple but there are many reasons that those who are being harassed fear either confronting the harasser or reporting them to higher-ups.
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Post by eJm on Jul 13, 2019 12:41:11 GMT -5
She responded to said texts for months. Without raising a stink. These things can be avoided if after first text she said stop and went to hr Yes it may sound that simple but there are many reasons that those who are being harassed fear either confronting the harasser or reporting them to higher-ups. Like, say, I don’t know...a working culture of this stuff going under the radar or being accepted way to easier than it should.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 13, 2019 14:11:00 GMT -5
Exonerated? She either had texts on her phone or she didn't. Unless she's actually Kevin Nash and she texted herself She responded to said texts for months. Without raising a stink. These things can be avoided if after first text she said stop and went to hr This is Fox News we’re talking about, this type of behavior was tolerated and encouraged for years, see Bill Oreilly and Roger Ailes. What good would it have done for her to go to hr?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jul 13, 2019 14:17:01 GMT -5
Exonerated? She either had texts on her phone or she didn't. Unless she's actually Kevin Nash and she texted herself She responded to said texts for months. Without raising a stink. These things can be avoided if after first text she said stop and went to hr O’Reilly harassed females for YEARS under the same regime. What makes you think this case would have been handled differently? On the other hand, if someone complained about Shep Smith I think the network would have him out on his ass by the end of the day and would strongly condemn his actions. But that’s just my opinion.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 13, 2019 16:13:56 GMT -5
Yes it may sound that simple but there are many reasons that those who are being harassed fear either confronting the harasser or reporting them to higher-ups. Like, say, I don’t know...a working culture of this stuff going under the radar or being accepted way to easier than it should. Yeah, and as we saw here, Tyrus' "punishment" was being removed from McHenry's show but also getting his own show.
Fox News has a culture of misogyny with no shame or interest in improving as a workplace for women. The only way they actually take action is to get their sponsors to pull ad space. Maybe.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 13, 2019 16:14:17 GMT -5
Exonerated? She either had texts on her phone or she didn't. Unless she's actually Kevin Nash and she texted herself She responded to said texts for months. Without raising a stink. These things can be avoided if after first text she said stop and went to hr Have you been following the news much over the past year or so regarding sexual harassment?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2019 16:57:17 GMT -5
Maybe one day we'll have a thread about sexual harrassment that don't have someone discarding empathy so they can victim blame and nitpick actions with self-applied 'logical actions' like it's the B plot of a Star Wars movie.
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Post by Juice on Jul 13, 2019 23:59:44 GMT -5
I’m not buying the victim feared crap. O’Reilly is still way more powerful and influential than Brody’s f***ing clay. In post #metoo when everyone is encouraged to stop abuse, people need to take immediately.
Fox News is shit but they are shit several times over and if they could still get away with it Bill would still be doing the 360 or whatever the hell his show was.
Tyrus got away with it cause she literally responded “haha haha haha” to his texts. Furthermore how’s he supposed to know he’s harassing her with that response?
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Post by Juice on Jul 14, 2019 0:01:25 GMT -5
I’m a victimim of repeated abuse and sexual assault, in my childhood before y’all start attacking me for having a logical solution to her problem l.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jul 14, 2019 0:08:44 GMT -5
I’m not buying the victim feared crap. O’Reilly is still way more powerful and influential than Brody’s f***ing clay. In post #metoo when everyone is encouraged to stop abuse, people need to take immediately. Fox News is shit but they are shit several times over and if they could still get away with it Bill would still be doing the 360 or whatever the hell his show was. Tyrus got away with it cause she literally responded “haha haha haha” to his texts. Furthermore how’s he supposed to know he’s harassing her with that response? On what planet besides Planet Funk is "Keep being negative and I’ll send you another dick pic." not blatant harassment?
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Post by Juice on Jul 14, 2019 0:13:02 GMT -5
I’m not buying the victim feared crap. O’Reilly is still way more powerful and influential than Brody’s f***ing clay. In post #metoo when everyone is encouraged to stop abuse, people need to take immediately. Fox News is shit but they are shit several times over and if they could still get away with it Bill would still be doing the 360 or whatever the hell his show was. Tyrus got away with it cause she literally responded “haha haha haha” to his texts. Furthermore how’s he supposed to know he’s harassing her with that response? On what planet besides Planet Funk is "Keep being negative and I’ll send you another dick pic." not blatant harassment? The one where she replies with laughter instead of better stop right now cause you’re harass me and I’ll report you.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 14, 2019 0:16:19 GMT -5
Hello, me from 7 years ago? Yes? You know that G-Rilla fella people are fighting about on the board? Yeah, the one who a few people are saying is the worst wrestler ever, what up? Brother, you ain't gonna believe the shit that's gone down.
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Post by eJm on Jul 14, 2019 0:16:22 GMT -5
I’m not buying the victim feared crap. O’Reilly is still way more powerful and influential than Brody’s f***ing clay. In post #metoo when everyone is encouraged to stop abuse, people need to take immediately. Just because a movement is in place to deal with a matter does not mean it makes it easier for everyone to come out and say they’ve been abused. We’re just going through big scandals now that were in the news years ago (one case over a decade ago) and nobody did anything about it then and the only reason stuff’s happening now is because evidence was found or people spoke out. All situations are different and it’s honestly insulting to those still going through this stuff to just say they need to deal with it when there’s so many factors at place. Again, besides the point. Bill fell because he was too high profile to keep by that time. You have to remember he paid a TON of money in settlements even before MeToo was a thought in Tamara Burke’s head and before it picked up in this decade. Nothing was done then because it wasn’t a big story then. It became a big story, advertisers dropped out so he had to go. It’s literally as simple as that. Nothing has happened since at Fox News to show they’re actually taking this more seriously outside of press statements and the passing of Roger Ailes. Even the people in Fox News were saying it’s going too far even after all this was happening which doesn’t show me or anyone else that it isn’t still going on. Are you serious with this? I’m sorry you went through the abuse you have but any human being who has had to keep in any kind of abuse will tell you the easiest way to deal with it is to laugh it off. Because then you hope that person will leave you alone. I’ve been that person in my last relationship, others on here have been and I know way too many damn people who’ve had that happen. It’s not that simple at all. And if you’re a man (because 99% of the time, it’s men) who doesn’t know boundaries, you’re not going to recognize a situation is awkward because of that, you’re going to keep going because you get a kick out of the control.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jul 14, 2019 0:20:40 GMT -5
On what planet besides Planet Funk is "Keep being negative and I’ll send you another dick pic." not blatant harassment? The one where she replies with laughter instead of better stop right now cause you’re harass me and I’ll report you. That's not how it works at all. Especially with coworkers, with such a massive size difference, at a workplace so notorious about its lax treatment of harassment that both a major motion picture and a major TV miniseries are being released about it within the next 6 months
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Post by Pensacola Tableheads on Jul 14, 2019 0:40:46 GMT -5
There's no good defense for behavior like Brodus'. Ever.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 14, 2019 1:17:02 GMT -5
It also doesn't help that the whole schtick that Tyrus had was not being politically correct. It's easy to imagine her thinking this could all backfire if she came out with it and either make her life miserable or lead to her losing her job. Even if we think that it would be simple and he'd be cut loose, it probably wasn't that straight forward in her head. It never is when you're a victim. When I was sexually abused by a family member, I never talked about it partially because I thought they'd disown me. Looking back, I know that's ridiculous but it was a real fear at the time.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 14, 2019 1:24:56 GMT -5
I’m not buying the victim feared crap. O’Reilly is still way more powerful and influential than Brody’s f***ing clay. In post #metoo when everyone is encouraged to stop abuse, people need to take immediately. Fox News is shit but they are shit several times over and if they could still get away with it Bill would still be doing the 360 or whatever the hell his show was.Tyrus got away with it cause she literally responded “haha haha haha” to his texts. Furthermore how’s he supposed to know he’s harassing her with that response? Steve Doocy was named along with Roger Ailes in the Gretchen Carlson suit, and he's still there. So, she'd know that at least one is still there, and Fox News doesn't give a shit.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 14, 2019 10:20:20 GMT -5
I’m not buying the victim feared crap. O’Reilly is still way more powerful and influential than Brody’s f***ing clay. In post #metoo when everyone is encouraged to stop abuse, people need to take immediately. Fox News is shit but they are shit several times over and if they could still get away with it Bill would still be doing the 360 or whatever the hell his show was. Tyrus got away with it cause she literally responded “haha haha haha” to his texts. Furthermore how’s he supposed to know he’s harassing her with that response? She was a new arrival at a network that regularly craps on #metoo having already burned her bridges elsewhere. The Fox gig is likely her last shot at being a mainstream tv personality so when Tyrus started being a creep she was faced with the choice of kicking up a fuss immediately and risk getting canned, or try to laugh it off in the hopes he'd stop, he didn't. He got worse. How was he to know he was being inappropriate? It's the 21st century, he knew damn well what he was doing was crossing a line but he ploughed ahead because he's a gross cretin. He saw himself as the star and fox news has a long history of protecting it's stars and management, no matter what. He thought he could get away with it and he probably has as they gave him a new gig. As for Bill O'Reilly, Fox moved heaven and earth to protect him, they only relented after a massive advertiser withdrawal as the scale of his actions came to light, the culture was so toxic it was jeopardizing Newscorp's interests overseas. His firing wasn't a signal that such behaviour wouldn't be tolerated, it was a sign that it'd take a huge public outcry to get any action taken, otherwise it's business as usual.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 14, 2019 11:11:12 GMT -5
I’m a victimim of repeated abuse and sexual assault, in my childhood before y’all start attacking me for having a logical solution to her problem l. Nah dude you're not being attacked for anything, but I'm gonna get real a second here: being a victim does not make you immune to bad views and to utterly lacking in empathy toward other victims. The stuff you're bringing up right now is Sexual Harrassmment 101-level material. Especially somehow the idea that people being encouraged to act means that when they don't act it's fake. Like that is so blatantly and objectively not how some people work. Gonna repeat something I mentioned earlier in the thread; Fox as a network has been openly critical and dismissive of the entire #MeToo movement, and the politics of what they're presenting on screen is likely to echo ideals that guide the management of the company. Operating under the assumption everyone is helpful and immediately going to do the right thing is flawed from the start anywhere but especially at a place like Fox News, and using that flawed assumption as leverage to then dismiss victims' stories is a load of shit. If the world actually operated under that fairness then these sorts of power abuses wouldn't be a problem in the first place. And again, like. "Logical solution". There's so much context and subtext in that statement there that just. Man. It's cold.
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Post by corndog on Jul 14, 2019 12:00:59 GMT -5
Since the whole "#metoo" movement, I don't like the accused is automatically guilty before anything comes out(as several accused ended up not guilty, but still shamed before the facts came out), so I tend to wait for more information. But this is pretty cut and dry here, and of course Fox News does nothing but split them up.
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