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Post by Perfect Timing on Jul 15, 2019 13:06:07 GMT -5
Tatanka was out of place in 1996 let alone 2006.
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Post by nickcave on Jul 15, 2019 14:07:42 GMT -5
I would say Ultimate Warrior, Jake Roberts and Roddy Piper in WWF 1996. I remember this was a height of the New Generation era and they were pushing Bret, Shawn, Razor, Diesel. It seemed weird that all of these guys only were around a few months.Piper had his Goldust feud due to Razor leaving for WCW, Jake Roberts had the Lawler making fun of Jake's Alcoholism feud and Warrior's second run was notable for being Triple H's first WrestleMania opponent. The fact that the main event of the first PPV officially to be branded "New Generation" King of the Ring 1994 was Roddy Piper vs. Jerry Lawler shows how shallow that branding actually was.
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Post by Venti on Jul 15, 2019 16:18:02 GMT -5
I would say Ultimate Warrior, Jake Roberts and Roddy Piper in WWF 1996. I remember this was a height of the New Generation era and they were pushing Bret, Shawn, Razor, Diesel. It seemed weird that all of these guys only were around a few months.Piper had his Goldust feud due to Razor leaving for WCW, Jake Roberts had the Lawler making fun of Jake's Alcoholism feud and Warrior's second run was notable for being Triple H's first WrestleMania opponent. 1996 was a weird time for the WWF roster now that I think of it, because you had gimmicks like TL Hopper, Spark Plugg Holly, and The Goon at the same time as Stone Cold Steve Austin, Brian Pillman, Mankind, etc.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jul 15, 2019 23:05:00 GMT -5
The British Jeansdog in 1999 felt ridiculously out of place. It was literally like 14 months prior to that he was main eventing house shows in tag matches in the WWF So much changed so quickly
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Post by realist on Jul 16, 2019 1:47:57 GMT -5
The British Jeansdog in 1999 felt ridiculously out of place. It was literally like 14 months prior to that he was main eventing house shows in tag matches in the WWF So much changed so quickly I always say that one of the main problems with WWE is that it feels like nothing ever changes from a production standpoint. Go back and look at the 1996 and 1999 versions of Summerslam. It looks and feels like a completely different company in just a three year span. Now, go back and look at the 2008 and 2018 Summerslam. Everything is the exact same from a production standpoint.
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Post by malloc on Jul 18, 2019 18:01:59 GMT -5
The stalker angle really had no good possible ending regardless, and they still managed to pick the worst possible choice. Lol The only thing that would have worked was if he'd unmasked and said he didn't give a crap about UT's wife, he was doing it to get UT's attention. "I got your attention now, dead man?" been a when since I watched it but wasnt that what he was kind of saying with whole "make me famous" thing in the promo?
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Post by adamclark52 on Jul 19, 2019 13:28:22 GMT -5
The Scott Hall and nWo in the WWF doesn’t look right
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Post by adamclark52 on Jul 19, 2019 13:31:10 GMT -5
Kerry Von Erich in the WWF. If they let him just be Kerry (I believe they did either his first or last couple of months), then he could have stood out more than he did. But they covered him in tassles and had him run around crazy, essentially making him an Ultimate Warrior knockoff while the real Warrior was still on the roster. As a kid I thought the Ultimate Warrior and the Texas Tornado were the same guy. I think Texas Tornado stopped appearing on Superstars around the same time the Warrior started appearing and I thought they just put makeup and tassles on Texas Tornado.
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Post by Shark on Jul 19, 2019 20:56:05 GMT -5
Maybe I need to watch stuff from 1997 WWF (I need to resubscribe to The Network soon), but it seemed like The Patriot was a bit out-of-place during that time. It almost seemed like he was brought in mainly to feud with Bret Hart, who had the anti-American angle going on at the time. After that, he got injured and was never seen again. The problem with him was that there were other, more established guys that were so much more over than he was. Guys like Austin and Shamrock and Undertaker were taking up arms against the Harts and a guy like the Patriot just couldn't compete with them.
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 28, 2019 15:00:12 GMT -5
As far as Harley Race in the WWF goes, I thought he did okay with what he was given. He might've been an NWA guy at heart, but since it was the twilight of his career and there were major and up and coming stars(Roddy Piper, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior), there was little for him to work with. Him as King of The WWF was a slight nod to his wrestling pedigree and he played that role pretty well and got moderately over as a result.
If he wrestled for the company a decade earlier, he probably would've been a good fit and possible challenger to Bruno Sammartino's WWWF championship. Maybe even getting a brief run in the process.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 28, 2019 15:51:30 GMT -5
The only thing that would have worked was if he'd unmasked and said he didn't give a crap about UT's wife, he was doing it to get UT's attention. "I got your attention now, dead man?" been a when since I watched it but wasnt that what he was kind of saying with whole "make me famous" thing in the promo? Yeah, but then they double downed on the Sara stalking angle in the weeks after King of the Ring. He built a creepy shrine to Sara and starting to get into situations where his fascination with Sara was to his detriment.
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Post by efarns on Oct 28, 2019 16:25:19 GMT -5
Ric Flair's initial WWF tenure produced some awesome things, like the Rumble he won, but some of it also felt like a major mismatch. I think it'd have helped if he had a Horsemen-like setup in order to threaten Hogan physically in the manner he was more accustomed to, and because WWF didn't really do a lot of that style of stable, mostly having manager-centric ones, so it'd stand out. As it is, he seemed to be a hard sell for a lot of WWF diehards at the time, and the Hogan/Flair feud wasn't impressing in house show sells. Shame, because some of it was really a lot of fun. He had to be G Rated in The WWF. The intimate set in JCP lent itself to Flair's "come up to the hotel and party with us" persona that was really integral to his gimmick. The WWF put wrestlers in the spotlight, the audience in the dark, and that interaction was minimized.
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Post by malloc on Oct 28, 2019 17:30:22 GMT -5
been a when since I watched it but wasnt that what he was kind of saying with whole "make me famous" thing in the promo? Yeah, but then they double downed on the Sara stalking angle in the weeks after King of the Ring. He built a creepy shrine to Sara and starting to get into situations where his fascination with Sara was to his detriment. Aye, I get what your saying. If they had built on the whole make me famous thing instead of "I fancy your wife" it would have been much better. But they wanted to bury him because he was to enthusiastic and was not "humble" enough. Wrestling is so stupid sometimes.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Oct 28, 2019 19:41:46 GMT -5
Dusty in WWF for me was never a good fit. It was obvious Vince didn't like him or have any idea how to portray him. Nah, he was over like crazy. Dusty was over like rover to my family and showing up in WWF only made us cheer him harder.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Oct 29, 2019 8:27:50 GMT -5
Sid in ECW good thing it didn’t last
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Post by realist on Oct 29, 2019 8:34:41 GMT -5
Sid in ECW good thing it didn’t last I loved Sid in ECW just because it exposed the fans. He was the epitome of everything that those so called "smart fans" should have hated about the business. Instead, he got a monster pop the second that he walked to the ring.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 29, 2019 8:36:44 GMT -5
Sid in ECW good thing it didn’t last I loved Sid in ECW just because it exposed the fans. He was the epitome of everything that those so called "smart fans" should have hated about the business. Instead, he got a monster pop the second that he walked to the ring. Eh, I don't think that's entirely fair. Sure, they could have double standards, but it was also a total, "what in the hell?" moment. It'd be like if you went to see MLW and the Rock showed up.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 29, 2019 9:05:56 GMT -5
I loved Sid in ECW just because it exposed the fans. He was the epitome of everything that those so called "smart fans" should have hated about the business. Instead, he got a monster pop the second that he walked to the ring. Eh, I don't think that's entirely fair. Sure, they could have double standards, but it was also a total, "what in the hell?" moment. It'd be like if you went to see MLW and the Rock showed up. And to be fair, if there was ever was a wrestler that could make you drop your cynicism and just want to see him kick ass immediately regardless of where he came from, its Sid.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 29, 2019 10:06:26 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think that's entirely fair. Sure, they could have double standards, but it was also a total, "what in the hell?" moment. It'd be like if you went to see MLW and the Rock showed up. And to be fair, if there was ever was a wrestler that could make you drop your cynicism and just want to see him kick ass immediately regardless of where he came from, its Sid. Right. He's basically better in every way 911.
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Post by auph10imitated on Oct 29, 2019 10:21:59 GMT -5
I would say Ultimate Warrior, Jake Roberts and Roddy Piper in WWF 1996. I remember this was a height of the New Generation era and they were pushing Bret, Shawn, Razor, Diesel. It seemed weird that all of these guys only were around a few months.Piper had his Goldust feud due to Razor leaving for WCW, Jake Roberts had the Lawler making fun of Jake's Alcoholism feud and Warrior's second run was notable for being Triple H's first WrestleMania opponent. 1996 was a weird time for the WWF roster now that I think of it, because you had gimmicks like TL Hopper, Spark Plugg Holly, and The Goon at the same time as Stone Cold Steve Austin, Brian Pillman, Mankind, etc. 1995 was a weird time for WCW because it was a who's who of ex WWF talent - Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Earthquake, Big Boss Man, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, The Nasty Boys, Brutus Beefcake, Lex Luger, Haku, Hawk, Jimmy Hart, Bobby Heenan, Mean Gene, IRS, Kamala, Sensational Sherri... 1996 was a weird time for WWF because it was a who's who of ex WCW talent - Vader, Stunning Steve Austin, Cactus Jack, Dustin Rhodes, Brian Pillman, Johnny B Badd, Jean Paul Levesque, Too Cold Scorpio, Ron Simmons, Alexandra York, Barry Windham, Michael PS Hayes...
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