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Post by King Boo on Aug 30, 2019 14:42:11 GMT -5
They're in desperate need of a casting staff overhaul. Or just let the people who cast OTT do it, because that was a really interesting group that was out of the norm for the regular show. I went back and watched it when I first got All-Access, and was pleasantly surprised by it. Kemi's accusation is pretty indicative of the problem: She said (and I have every inclination to believe her) that in one of her DR sessions, they were instructing/trying to get her to "act like a sassy black woman". That's....pretty terrible. But honestly, and I'm trying to tread real light here...but they keep casting people who either are over the top stereotypes, or are willing to act like it. It's insulting and by now, makes for really lazy and terrible television They need to stop pushing people to be the star of the show with favorable edits and whatnot. Last season was nauseating they way they shoved Swaggy down everyone's throats....Swaggy who was gone like, 3-4 weeks in. He was clearly the guy they had pegged to be a thing last summer, and when the game didn't play along, we got that garbage I heard Kemi say this when it first happened and I can 100% believe it's true. I think part of it is that Allison Grodner seems to favor people who, if you watch the feeds, are sort of awful. She wants to make them the favorites and I don't get it, particularly when they'll have someone actually likable.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 30, 2019 14:46:43 GMT -5
Kemi's accusation is pretty indicative of the problem: She said (and I have every inclination to believe her) that in one of her DR sessions, they were instructing/trying to get her to "act like a sassy black woman". That's....pretty terrible. But honestly, and I'm trying to tread real light here...but they keep casting people who either are over the top stereotypes, or are willing to act like it. It's insulting and by now, makes for really lazy and terrible television They need to stop pushing people to be the star of the show with favorable edits and whatnot. Last season was nauseating they way they shoved Swaggy down everyone's throats....Swaggy who was gone like, 3-4 weeks in. He was clearly the guy they had pegged to be a thing last summer, and when the game didn't play along, we got that garbage I heard Kemi say this when it first happened and I can 100% believe it's true. I think part of it is that Allison Grodner seems to favor people who, if you watch the feeds, are sort of awful. She wants to make them the favorites and I don't get it, particularly when they'll have someone actually likable. And I get that not everyone is going to be Mr Rogers level of wholesome, but watching people act like complete garbage and turning a blind eye to outright racism,misogyny and threats of violence is awful. Giving those people an edit that completely hides that shit? That's deplorable. There needs to be a line beyond "Julie lectures people via interview"
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Post by King Boo on Aug 30, 2019 14:52:26 GMT -5
I heard Kemi say this when it first happened and I can 100% believe it's true. I think part of it is that Allison Grodner seems to favor people who, if you watch the feeds, are sort of awful. She wants to make them the favorites and I don't get it, particularly when they'll have someone actually likable. And I get that not everyone is going to be Mr Rogers level of wholesome, but watching people act like complete garbage and turning a blind eye to outright racism,misogyny and threats of violence is awful. Giving those people an edit that completely hides that shit? That's deplorable. There needs to be a line beyond "Julie lectures people via interview" They want it both ways. They want the scandalous intrigue of the awfulness, but not any of the responsibility or attention that comes with it. So they cast crappy people and use it in ways they think will help them, but do very little by way of confronting it head-on when it gets bad enough. It's like it's half-measures or something. Even with Julie confronting Jack in his exit interview... that was half-hearted and makes it almost seem as though they did it because they felt they had to.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 30, 2019 15:00:34 GMT -5
And I get that not everyone is going to be Mr Rogers level of wholesome, but watching people act like complete garbage and turning a blind eye to outright racism,misogyny and threats of violence is awful. Giving those people an edit that completely hides that shit? That's deplorable. There needs to be a line beyond "Julie lectures people via interview" They want it both ways. They want the scandalous intrigue of the awfulness, but not any of the responsibility or attention that comes with it. So they cast crappy people and use it in ways they think will help them, but do very little by way of confronting it head-on when it gets bad enough. It's like it's half-measures or something. Even with Julie confronting Jack in his exit interview... that was half-hearted and makes it almost seem as though they did it because they felt they had to. Oh, no question. "People are angry. Better have Julie kinda scold them" Last season was actually an anomaly. I liked most of the cast. Had the correct person won the game, it might have been perfect.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Aug 30, 2019 17:17:44 GMT -5
A problem with this season, imo anyway, has been that the most likable people are also playing some of the worst (or at least most boring) games. The ones I don't care for as much are the ones who are probably earning it more. Like Tommy - I don't care for him, mostly because he's always "on" - but he's probably playing the best game of anyone there. He "should" win, based on his game so far. Though everyone's gotten much more tolerable after Jack left. Jack was the dirt worst. Yeah, Tommy has played a solid game, and you could make a strong argument for Cliff as well. In terms of likability, I said it earlier, but Nicole is easy to root for. Her problem is that she's done nothing of note all summer. She hasn't won anything, she hasn't made an major moves socially...she's just....there. If she can do something.... anything noteworthy going forward and somehow makes it to the end? She's likable enough that a jury might be inclined to give her the 'W'. *Thinks about the last few juries and how salty/childish they were* Or not. She's also I believe only had the chance to play veto once or two all season, it's hard to tell if she is actually as bad at comps as she appears to be since most of the HOH's are either entirely favorable to athlete's or just luck based. Steve,Andy and Kaycee come to mind as people who went the majority of the season without winning comps but were really good at the endgame stuff
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 18:19:28 GMT -5
Yeah, Tommy has played a solid game, and you could make a strong argument for Cliff as well. In terms of likability, I said it earlier, but Nicole is easy to root for. Her problem is that she's done nothing of note all summer. She hasn't won anything, she hasn't made an major moves socially...she's just....there. If she can do something.... anything noteworthy going forward and somehow makes it to the end? She's likable enough that a jury might be inclined to give her the 'W'. *Thinks about the last few juries and how salty/childish they were* Or not. She's also I believe only had the chance to play veto once or two all season, it's hard to tell if she is actually as bad at comps as she appears to be since most of the HOH's are either entirely favorable to athlete's or just luck based. Steve,Andy and Kaycee come to mind as people who went the majority of the season without winning comps but were really good at the endgame stuff From what I read recently, Nicole hasn’t played in a Veto competition since Week 1.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Aug 31, 2019 11:54:52 GMT -5
Also, has an "older" houseguest (a.k.a. the 1 middle aged person stuck inside a house of young adults) ever won a season of Big Brother US? Other than the celeb seasons, the oldest winners were Dick from BB8 and Adam from BB9, but they managed to fit in with the young crowd since they were, let's say, young-at-heart (which is totally not code word for "immature" ). This is so random, but this just reminded me that Adam got busted for drugs at a strip mall literally 4 or 5 miles from where I live. How privy I am to such an, um, unique piece of BB history.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:02:58 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Tommy won Veto. f***.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 31, 2019 19:18:30 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Tommy won Veto. f***. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Damn it. So does Nicole go up as a pawn?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 20:28:08 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Tommy won Veto. f***. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Damn it. So does Nicole go up as a pawn? {Spoiler}Cliff already volunteered the other day, and Jackson absolutely loves Nicole these days, so it’ll probably be Cliff.
Jessica should go even if it’s a tie, but you never know what to expect in BB.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Aug 31, 2019 20:47:47 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Hola Jessica is a bit unlucky both Veto and HOH were worst case results. Tommy/Chrissie were itching to take their shot at Jack/Holly and Nicole/Cliff who want a f4 with Holly/Jackson would have put up Tommy/Chrissie. Jackson was the worst case HOH result. And Tommy winning POV was also worst case scenario because Nicole wanted to keep Jessica,and Holly see's Tommy as a threat and a Jessica/Tommy final nominations after a Chrissie veto might have resulted in her staying.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 2:21:03 GMT -5
I'm watching Holly and Jackson fight on the feeds right now. This chick has got to go. GET OOOOUUUUUUUUT! GET OUT! GET THE F OUT!! She's 100% dependant on Jackson. She's a weak woman. Anyone but her. Anyone. ANYONE. I don't care who wins as long as it's not her.
Okay end rant. Sorry guys lol.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Sept 1, 2019 11:27:23 GMT -5
I'm watching Holly and Jackson fight on the feeds right now. This chick has got to go. GET OOOOUUUUUUUUT! GET OUT! GET THE F OUT!! She's 100% dependant on Jackson. She's a weak woman. Anyone but her. Anyone. ANYONE. I don't care who wins as long as it's not her. Okay end rant. Sorry guys lol. You'll hate me for this, but Holly is . . . actually my dark horse pick to win right now?!? Like, I'm not a big Holly fan or something, and she still has that Gr8ful stench to her name, but she's been one of the most ingratiating players in the house, managed to make inroads with the outsiders, covered herself and Jackson nicely during the Six Shooters fallout, and hasn't been a slouch in the comps either. It's always really frustrating in showmances how the woman is always written off as the coattail rider.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 20:14:52 GMT -5
Jessica is embarrassingly bad at this game.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Sept 2, 2019 17:07:06 GMT -5
I'm watching Holly and Jackson fight on the feeds right now. This chick has got to go. GET OOOOUUUUUUUUT! GET OUT! GET THE F OUT!! She's 100% dependant on Jackson. She's a weak woman. Anyone but her. Anyone. ANYONE. I don't care who wins as long as it's not her. Okay end rant. Sorry guys lol. You'll hate me for this, but Holly is . . . actually my dark horse pick to win right now?!? Like, I'm not a big Holly fan or something, and she still has that Gr8ful stench to her name, but she's been one of the most ingratiating players in the house, managed to make inroads with the outsiders, covered herself and Jackson nicely during the Six Shooters fallout, and hasn't been a slouch in the comps either. It's always really frustrating in showmances how the woman is always written off as the coattail rider. She is a pretty impressive player and gameplay wise would be better then the show's last few winners,that said probably only got cast to help Katherine win
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Post by King Boo on Sept 2, 2019 18:05:24 GMT -5
Jessica is embarrassingly bad at this game. And yet she's the one to credit with the baller move of the season by getting Jack out. You wouldn't think haha
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 19:52:03 GMT -5
Jessica is embarrassingly bad at this game. And yet she's the one to credit with the baller move of the season by getting Jack out. You wouldn't think haha I was having this conversation last night. Jessica was absolutely terrible the first five weeks, then she has one god-tier week, and immediately goes back to being one of the worst players of all-time. I don’t have a clue what happened for that one week of gameplay, but she’s been a completely different person every other week. I’ve legitimately never been more dumbfounded by a Big Brother player than I’ve been with hoe Jess has turned 100% against Nicole.... because Nicole told her about an alliance Jessica wasn’t included in. To the point where even this week Jess goes to Nicole and says “I feel like someone in this house has been playing me.” And Nicole goes “Who? Me?” and she confirmed it. The one person in the house that’s always been her friend, and it’s the person she somehow trusts the least! She’s an atrocious Big Brother player, and a borderline moron.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 2, 2019 20:17:57 GMT -5
And yet she's the one to credit with the baller move of the season by getting Jack out. You wouldn't think haha I was having this conversation last night. Jessica was absolutely terrible the first five weeks, then she has one god-tier week, and immediately goes back to being one of the worst players of all-time. I don’t have a clue what happened for that one week of gameplay, but she’s been a completely different person every other week. I’ve legitimately never been more dumbfounded by a Big Brother player than I’ve been with hoe Jess has turned 100% against Nicole.... because Nicole told her about an alliance Jessica wasn’t included in. To the point where even this week Jess goes to Nicole and says “I feel like someone in this house has been playing me.” And Nicole goes “Who? Me?” and she confirmed it. The one person in the house that’s always been her friend, and it’s the person she somehow trusts the least! She’s an atrocious Big Brother player, and a borderline moron. Yeah, she's completely clueless
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 4, 2019 6:53:45 GMT -5
I like Kemi, but the level of stanning on Twitter for her is getting to be a bit much. She got a raw deal, but she was gone after like 4 weeks.
And as much as I like Nicole, the "she should win" talk is dumb. I've said this before, but to repeat: She's awesome as a person, and I adore her for it, but from a game standpoint, she's done absolutely nothing even close to deserve winning a half million. Yes, most of the cast has been terrible, but outside of Jess, everyone else has a legit claim to win the game at this point.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 5, 2019 6:55:25 GMT -5
I like Kemi, but the level of stanning on Twitter for her is getting to be a bit much. She got a raw deal, but she was gone after like 4 weeks. And as much as I like Nicole, the "she should win" talk is dumb. I've said this before, but to repeat: She's awesome as a person, and I adore her for it, but from a game standpoint, she's done absolutely nothing even close to deserve winning a half million. Yes, most of the cast has been terrible, but outside of Jess, everyone else has a legit claim to win the game at this point. Not being a shithead isn't a qualification for winning lol. In reality unless something drastically changes, Jackson is going to look like the can't miss winner, these idiots left him in the game to long for being a physical threat and now he's winning everything. Shithead or not by the end of this it's gonna be super hard for any of them to say their 1 or 2 wins should beat his like 8.
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