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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 1, 2019 9:36:36 GMT -5
So AEW has a bit of a problem when it comes down to Adam Page
He is a great talent and I think someone they can make as a featured player moving forward. However, they have a little problem at hand with him and the AEW championship. Making him the inaugural AEW champ is not a bad move but if they only make him a transitional champ to say someone like Mox or Omega than they possibly f*** him up early and kill some of his main event push. Making him the first champ is a good way to go but I also think if they want him to be seen on the level of Cody, Omega, Mox etc than he would need a few successful title defenses under his belt. Giving him the title is not enough imo
Now if they don't give him the title, how much of a back seat does he take? Is he can pursuit mode against Jericho to get the win at some point? Chasing the title may be a better option for him as it continues to build him and allows the fans to keep getting a relationship with him. I like him as a talent but I think in the pursuit of trying to show the world how talented he is, they could f*** him up to and his main event push would get stalled for a good while and have to be started over at a later point
What you think?
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Post by clifford on Jul 1, 2019 9:44:58 GMT -5
I've no problem with him being in the first match to crown their first champion. Dude is young, is a great worker and is undoubtedly one of the company's future top stars.
But you have 2 shows to build him up as a top star worthy of this place in the main event of All Out to the audience, who may not know him as much as the hardcore fans do, and you stick him in a 10 minute four way and vs. Kip Sabian? come on guys.
I think he's in the main event at All Out to lose to Jericho tbh. Having a name as big as Jericho as the champ going into the tv debut is a smart move. He can put up a great losing effort and still be seen as a threat to the world title.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 1, 2019 9:59:18 GMT -5
Let's be real here. Hangman Page is a marginal guy. If he hadn't lucked into a spot in the Bullet Club he'd be an undercard ROH dude grateful to get the occasional shot at the TV title there. As far as him winning the title, I can't remotely see it happening. He should be their IC/US/TV/NA level champ right now. Even comparing him to Marty Scurrl, the other junior Elite member of the past few years, Page pales in comparison. Scurll has had some legit great matches.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 1, 2019 10:02:09 GMT -5
I've no problem with him being in the first match to crown their first champion. Dude is young, is a great worker and is undoubtedly one of the company's future top stars. But you have 2 shows to build him up as a top star worthy of this place in the main event of All Out to the audience, who may not know him as much as the hardcore fans do, and you stick him in a 10 minute four way and vs. Kip Sabian? come on guys. I think he's in the main event at All Out to lose to Jericho tbh. Having a name as big as Jericho as the champ going into the tv debut is a smart move. He can put up a great losing effort and still be seen as a threat to the world title. Pretty my exact thoughts. I love the dude. He has been steadily improving each year and looks to be breaking out at the perfect time. Has a good look, he's confident on the mic, and is pretty damn solid in the ring. That said, the match placement for him has been less than ideal for him. Though, DoN you could say PAC pulling out was a big part of that. The four-way though, didn't do a great job of showcasing him and instead was used to create interest in Jungle Boy and MJF. Excited to see what he brings down the line though.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 1, 2019 10:05:02 GMT -5
Let's be real here. Hangman Page is a marginal guy. If he hadn't lucked into a spot in the Bullet Club he'd be an undercard ROH dude grateful to get the occasional shot at the TV title there. As far as him winning the title, I can't remotely see it happening. He should be their IC/US/TV/NA level champ right now. Even comparing him to Marty Scurrl, the other junior Elite member of the past few years, Page pales in comparison. Scurll has had some legit great matches. I disgaree. I wouldn't exactly call him a marginal guy. He was getting over in Japan after being a lower card guy over the years and you was starting to see his talent bloom However, he is attached to the hip with Cody and the Bucks. Marty can go out on his own and be fine but Page needs that little bit of help but I wouldn't say he is a charity case either. He has talent no doubt and would be an ROH champ
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Post by sportatorium on Jul 1, 2019 10:23:39 GMT -5
They could very well put the belt on Jericho & have Hangman chase him when TV starts. If they build Page the way Omega was built in NJPW, then he’ll be fine. All of the top tier guys elevated him long before he got the IWGP title there. Hangman will be just fine IMO.
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Post by 4real on Jul 1, 2019 10:26:18 GMT -5
I’m pretty happy with his push right out of the gate to be honest. This push has immediately made him seem like a big player. I don’t think he’s getting the title but he’ll be in the position to be in the title scene going forward so that can only be a good thing for him.
Imagine MJF is costing him the belt so that will be his first feud maybe.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 1, 2019 10:37:02 GMT -5
He's not ready to main event regularly, but he could get there if he keeps performing well and they give us reasons to care about him.
Jericho, the heel, is the right call for AEW's first champion. And a lot of you who know me know that Jericho hasn't been my favorite for a good long time.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 1, 2019 10:42:29 GMT -5
He's not ready to main event regularly, but he could get there if he keeps performing well and they give us reasons to care about him. Jericho, the heel, is the right call for AEW's first champion. And a lot of you who know me know that Jericho hasn't been my favorite for a good long time. Yeah, Jericho makes a lot of sense going into TNT Dynamite or whatever. Known guy, changing style keeps him fresh, can be used to get guys like Page and maybe Darby over eventually.
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Post by salz4life on Jul 1, 2019 10:58:21 GMT -5
Imagine MJF is costing him the belt so that will be his first feud maybe. I actually think this is going to happen. It makes sense as it gives AEW a high profile first champion they can advertise and it gives to up and coming guys a chance to shine with each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 13:31:29 GMT -5
I don't even know that he needs the belt really. I could see him being the Tommy Dreamer of AEW where he is the "heart and soul" of the company but never necessarily top guy.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 1, 2019 13:32:19 GMT -5
I’m pretty happy with his push right out of the gate to be honest. This push has immediately made him seem like a big player. I don’t think he’s getting the title but he’ll be in the position to be in the title scene going forward so that can only be a good thing for him. Imagine MJF is costing him the belt so that will be his first feud maybe. I really hope their first ever title match doesn't have a screwy finish.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jul 1, 2019 14:03:15 GMT -5
I’d rather Jericho be the first champ only because it’s easier to set up your stories with the heel established as the guy to beat and the face chasing him. But if they do go with Page, let him win some early feuds, so long as they are built up and the challenger looks like a threat.
PPV’s back in the day used to be a nice mixture of title matches, attempts to settle personal grudges, and matches with no real story except that two guys are fighting and we want to see who will win. AEW will hopefully have all three on their major shows.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 1, 2019 14:06:15 GMT -5
Jericho just beat Omega cleanly. No way MJF costs Page the match. Just job him and then do the MJF feud later with MJF calling him a failure, etc. Again, Page and MJF is a nice IC title level feud for these guys. I didn't say Hangman was a total jobber or anything, but right now he's not a serious main eventer.
Incidentally how do they book Omega/Moxley at this PPV? Now that they have time limit draws I think we need one there because I can't tell you who I'd put over.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 1, 2019 14:10:40 GMT -5
Jericho just beat Omega cleanly. No way MJF costs Page the match. Just job him and then do the MJF feud later with MJF calling him a failure, etc. Again, Page and MJF is a nice IC title level feud for these guys. I didn't say Hangman was a total jobber or anything, but right now he's not a serious main eventer. Incidentally how do they book Omega/Moxley at this PPV? Now that they have time limit draws I think we need one there because I can't tell you who I'd put over. Omega is probably the option for me right He can recover from back to back singles L's but I rather keep him afloat as well considering he is still the guy of the promotion
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Post by eJm on Jul 1, 2019 14:13:06 GMT -5
Honestly I don’t think I’ve seen a first time champ that’s a really solid win/win situation like Page/Jericho is.
If Jericho wins, you have Kenny gunning for him, potential first time matches with guys like Havoc and an underdog feud with Jungle Boy they’ve been teasing that only benefits everyone.
If Page wins, MJF is right there from the start, Cody could work with him, Moxley and others.
Like there’s no established heel and face dynamic but there’s enough there you can make work.
I know Jericho’s probably going to win and it makes more sense but the groundwork is there for a surprise.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 1, 2019 17:27:03 GMT -5
If Jericho wins, the one bad outcome would be Page plummeting down the card into irrelevance. This match should be his “coming out party” no matter who gets the title.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 1, 2019 19:11:40 GMT -5
I think the problem with Page right now is that their plans involving PAC blew up in AEW's face. I have to assume the plan was for Page to beat PAC thus beating a top champion to prove he was world champion material. The fact he got this title match by winning a pre-show battle royal against a bunch of low card, and comedy guys, doesn't really make it feel like he's earned it. This was also the same match involving Billy Gunn, Michael Nakazwa, Orange Cassidy, and Glacier; and with all due respect to each one, they're not world title material. It just looks even worse when you consider Jericho earned his place by beating AEW's ace.
Honestly some of their booking feels overthought. Like the Fyter Fest pre-show tag three way for a shot at a potential bye in the tournament. But what that really means is that if the winning team earns that bye, they've actually wrestled one more match to win the tournament than anyone else. It doesn't really feel like a benefit.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 1, 2019 19:17:18 GMT -5
I think the problem with Page right now is that their plans involving PAC blew up in AEW's face. I have to assume the plan was for Page to beat PAC thus beating a top champion to prove he was world champion material. The fact he got this title match by winning a pre-show battle royal against a bunch of low card, and comedy guys, doesn't really make it feel like he's earned it. This was also the same match involving Billy Gunn, Michael Nakazwa, Orange Cassidy, and Glacier; and with all due respect to each one, they're not world title material. It just looks even worse when you consider Jericho earned his place by beating AEW's ace. Honestly some of their booking feels overthought. Like the Fyter Fest pre-show tag three way for a shot at a potential bye in the tournament. But what that really means is that if the winning team earns that bye, they've actually wrestled one more match to win the tournament than anyone else. It doesn't really feel like a benefit. Well if you believe reports the original plan for All Out was Omega vs Pac to be the first champ but your point is still pretty valid. They need to do better using time to build up Page. Outside of one small segment where Cody said he may be the most talented of the Elite they have done nothing to build him up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 19:32:06 GMT -5
The main thing that bugs me is that he really just hasn't been put in a position in AEW to show why exactly we're supposed to care about him.
Like, I really haven't seen his work elsewhere. That goes for a lot of people in AEW but people like Jungle Boy, they're instantly wowing me. Adam Page just comes off as some random personality-free midcarder based on his work thus far.
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