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Post by eJm on Jul 4, 2019 16:21:17 GMT -5
I mean, the last time a blockbuster had a majority black cast, it made a billion dollars and was in theatres for so long, some had it there until October, well after Infinity War left theatres. So of course Disney’d like to have that again. I mean,I don't think casting a black person will have the same effect a A WHOLE WORLD BUILDING focused around african culture. Oh of course not. But DISNEY don’t know that! |
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 4, 2019 16:25:29 GMT -5
I like the people objecting to this based on race trying to cover up their racism by saying it's about the hair color. Because, you know, hair dye doesn't exist. Yes. This seems to be the hill some are dying on. Really sad. |
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 4, 2019 16:37:40 GMT -5
I recently read the original Beauty and the Beast, written by Gabrielle-Suzanne Barbot de Villeneuve. It's always been so ingrained in my mind that she was a brunette who loved books that it was a shock that she was depicted as a blonde in the book.
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Post by r. on Jul 4, 2019 16:59:35 GMT -5
In my case, As I Said before, I see it as pandering. Define pandering. Sure. I was a bit broad. So Disney has had a long line of white princesses (For the longest Pocahontas was omitted from those lists) so, to me, this choice comes off as feeling guilty for that fact and going a route that says "Equality!" the loudest. Something I didn't notice was the people they swap out are by in large Red Heads. Maybe its the wrong hot take or I'm wording it wrong, but if I use Tiana as a fictitious example no one would be ok with whitewashing her, Just like no one was ok with the White Washing in Ghost in the shell. So how inversing it as I see it isn't really any better. I think the failed all-female Ghostbusters is a good barometer of how if you spend too much time placating every special category and then let politics leak into your story it becomes an unsalvagable mess. This shouldn't suffer from that hopefully. A shot for shot remake style thing will work fine. I'll repeat what I said on twitter my ire is not with a black lead my ire is with the need to do in the first place and not trying to make new things that can have them as well. |
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Post by eJm on Jul 4, 2019 17:09:24 GMT -5
Here’s the firm reality;
Original properties most of the time don’t make money. Studios don’t take risk because in the last few years, too many experiments and director pet projects have lost money or not done well so of course they’re going to do more of the stuff people know or existing IPs. Why wouldn’t they when the original stuff hasn’t shown to be that good and studios don’t want to lose control in case the budget goes out the window?
Heck, even when they DO work, what happens? They become the new franchise and everyone wonders about the (insert thing here) Cinematic Universe or whatever and then THAT becomes the thing people dislike because there’s so much of it.
Maybe this will change with the summer we’re having and maybe studios will take more risks. But a studio that doesn’t need to take risk right now? Disney. Because for all the bellyaching about superhero movies and live action remakes, two of the biggest grossing movies this summer were Endgame and Aladdin. So if you ARE going to keep doing these things, why not take a little gamble here and there? Most of these stories are public domain anyway so if people are so offended by it, just do their own. Take something from the original stories that are darker if you want, might as well.
It’s just weirder to be annoyed at the casting because, again, Mermaids don’t exist. If we want to get technical, Sailors confused them for Manatees so why aren’t we casting a Manatee as the Little Mermaid?
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 4, 2019 20:14:59 GMT -5
It feels like nothing more than them slapping a skin swap to make SJW's happy. Now before I get flame sticked I loved Spiderverse and I loved Domino in Deadpool 2. This, however, is a PR move and instead of not being lazy and either coming up with new stories with minorities as the leads or doing The Princess Frog which would highlight it greatly instead it's "Look how diverse we are!" Will she be any good regardless of that? probs. I'm guessing Prince Eric will be a Spanish, King Triton a Samoan and Ursula Asian. Good. Representation matters. Disney had predominantly white leads for how many decades? Please give your post a re-read and really think about this for a second. Disney were also, and I know some don't like to hear this, a company founded by a racist with a very dark history. Yeah, they've got a lot of making up to do in the form of casting decisions that will make ole Walt spin in his grave. |
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 4, 2019 23:24:31 GMT -5
Lord, I wish Disney would stop with these live action remakes.
They aren't even sure fire blockbusters anymore with the likes of Dumbo's performance in theaters and the sliding scale of quality has been tipping gradually ever more to straight up bad with these with every release practically.
People often talk about "bubbles" in regards to types of movies or a genre of movie, the bubble can't pop fast enough on these for me.
Re-release your old animated flicks on every format, and move on to some newer, fresher ideas so we have another generation of memorable Disney flicks rather than a reheating of your Greatest Hits from the past few decades.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 0:39:31 GMT -5
Is this girl a really bad actress? If not, I can't think of too many reasons to be upset about this casting choice besides racism.
Anyway, I probably wasn't going to see it either way, but casting Melissa McCarthy in anything is like slapping on a big 'DO NOT WATCH' sticker for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 0:46:17 GMT -5
Lord, I wish Disney would stop with these live action remakes. They aren't even sure fire blockbusters anymore with the likes of Dumbo's performance in theaters and the sliding scale of quality has been tipping gradually ever more to straight up bad with these with every release practically. People often talk about "bubbles" in regards to types of movies or a genre of movie, the bubble can't pop fast enough on these for me. Re-release your old animated flicks on every format, and move on to some newer, fresher ideas so we have another generation of memorable Disney flicks rather than a reheating of your Greatest Hits from the past few decades. I'm already in "oh yeah, that was a thing" mode with Aladdin, and it's still in theaters. I think. |
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 5, 2019 1:18:50 GMT -5
so why aren’t we casting a Manatee as the Little Mermaid? |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 5, 2019 3:56:15 GMT -5
Sure. I was a bit broad. So Disney has had a long line of white princesses (For the longest Pocahontas was omitted from those lists) so, to me, this choice comes off as feeling guilty for that fact and going a route that says "Equality!" the loudest. Something I didn't notice was the people they swap out are by in large Red Heads. Maybe its the wrong hot take or I'm wording it wrong, but if I use Tiana as a fictitious example no one would be ok with whitewashing her, Just like no one was ok with the White Washing in Ghost in the shell. So how inversing it as I see it isn't really any better. I think the failed all-female Ghostbusters is a good barometer of how if you spend too much time placating every special category and then let politics leak into your story it becomes an unsalvagable mess. This shouldn't suffer from that hopefully. A shot for shot remake style thing will work fine. I'll repeat what I said on twitter my ire is not with a black lead my ire is with the need to do in the first place and not trying to make new things that can have them as well. Well with Tiana, part of the story involves her race, so that's really apples and oranges. Ghostbusters... It's not like there were any Asian characters, it had the same makeup as the original team, 3 white, 1 black, and the studio wouldn't allow them to portray anyone as LGBTQ, so I'm not seeing any "special categories" besides, well, women. The film's mediocre and absolutely fails to live up to the original, but those are separate problems. I'd say, if they're going to do these remakes, which I think most of us are sick of, having a black lead is at least A change, they might work that in there somewhere, since all of these have had small changes. To be honest, it's more faithful to the setting of the Disney version. Judging by the tropical fish everywhere, and Sebastian being faux-Jamaican, the original is set in the Caribbean so it'd be logical to have a black cast. |
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jul 5, 2019 4:12:28 GMT -5
Eh, The Little Mermaid isn't even that good of a Disney film really.
Where is my live action Sword in the Stone??
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Post by eJm on Jul 5, 2019 5:11:20 GMT -5
Where is my live action Sword in the Stone?? There are plans for it so...soon I guess? |
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jul 5, 2019 6:22:51 GMT -5
Where is my live action Sword in the Stone?? There are plans for it so...soon I guess? Awesome news! I had no idea  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 6:52:03 GMT -5
Where is my live action Sword in the Stone?? They're probably waiting a long while to put space between it and that 2017 dud of a King Arthur movie. I feel like King Arthur and Robin Hood (oh boy ESPECIALLY Robin Hood) movies are played out in Hwood - of course my 2 favorite Disney movies are the ones whose live action versions would be the bombs based on those more recent film trends.  |
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Post by Ash Kingston on Jul 5, 2019 7:03:20 GMT -5
Ya know what? I'm just gonna guess that there aren't a lot of gingers in Hollywood who are also talented singers, and thus will stop being salty about this.
Personally, I'm waiting for the remake of the 101 Dalmations live action remake.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jul 5, 2019 7:55:53 GMT -5
Lord, I wish Disney would stop with these live action remakes. They aren't even sure fire blockbusters anymore with the likes of Dumbo's performance in theaters and the sliding scale of quality has been tipping gradually ever more to straight up bad with these with every release practically. People often talk about "bubbles" in regards to types of movies or a genre of movie, the bubble can't pop fast enough on these for me. Re-release your old animated flicks on every format, and move on to some newer, fresher ideas so we have another generation of memorable Disney flicks rather than a reheating of your Greatest Hits from the past few decades. I'm already in "oh yeah, that was a thing" mode with Aladdin, and it's still in theaters. I think. It's probably about to be eclipsed by Toy Story 4 and Far From Home, but Aladdin's currently the #3 movie of the year, behind only the two big Marvel releases. It's made almost $900 million worldwide, over $300 million in the US. It didn't have a huge opening but it's had really strong legs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 8:03:24 GMT -5
Nope. As I said, you'll love this... we're getting Melissa McCarthy. Typecast much? Ursula was patterned off and inspired by Divine, the drag queen icon and star of many a John Waters film given Menken and Ashman were into camp (and somewhat ironically as a tribute as he died before The Little Mermaid premiered). Just putting the "fatty falls down" performer in the role would not suffice. This ain't a knock on her, but most of her films stick her in that limited role. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 5, 2019 8:23:46 GMT -5
Nope. As I said, you'll love this... we're getting Melissa McCarthy. Typecast much? Ursula was patterned off and inspired by Divine, the drag queen icon and star of many a John Waters film given Menken and Ashman were into camp (and somewhat ironically as a tribute as he died before The Little Mermaid premiered). Just putting the "fatty falls down" performer in the role would not suffice. This ain't a knock on her, but most of her films stick her in that limited role. Yeah, shame too, I've seen her put out good performances when she isn't cast into those roles. Hell, she has a new film coming out set in the 70s centered around her and two other women taking over their husbands gangster activities after they go to jail called The Kitchen. Looks really damn good and from what little I've seen of her in it she plays it completely straight. As for the casting. /shrug It literally has zero to do with the plot. Yes, she was originally portrayed as a white woman. Like, literally ever film in early Hollywood. Now, if Pocahontas or Mulan were cast other than their races, then yeah that'd be screwed up. But their race is a key feature of their films. Mermaids are fictional beings, makes no difference what their race is. I mean, I'm not seeing it anyways since I couldn't care less about the live action remakes, though I did see Beauty and the Beast because, well, Hollywood crush on Emma Watson and the movie looked gorgeous. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 5, 2019 8:57:26 GMT -5
All I can say is, regardless of who you are, you should get roles if you have talent. Diversity is fine, just not only for the sake of diversity. Likewise, don't a-list cast for a-list's sake.
Think at least some people are cynical because they feel Disney is doing both. And they're not being imaginative (again, they try to be different with Maleficent....how'd that work?)
I'll fit in a bit about Melissa, if I may. I like her. Seems like she'd be very nice as a person. (She got me two autographs from a fan note, including one I didn't remember asking for). And she does have talent...but yeah, just gets typecast. A lot. Which has really hurt her career. Yet she doesn't seem to worry what people think about that, nor feel a pressure to be a good plus size role model. I get this from some of her quotes.
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