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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 22:52:22 GMT -5
You have these edgy, spooky heels with a cult (?) or magic (?) or something (?) gimmick who come out there with random video game references everywhere that make no sense unless you're aware of their previous gimmick, and one of them is named Evil Uno and looks like Ralphus got ahold of Sin Cara's gimp suit gear. The act is just such a confused mess that they didn't even bother to try and explain.
I'm positive they're going to go to the finals of the tournament but I really, really want them to just abandon this shit. Have the Best Friends squash them and then try retooling these guys into something less embarrassing. Though then again having super underwhelming options as potential inaugural champions seems to be becoming a theme in AEW.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 13, 2019 22:53:37 GMT -5
Boys are so dookie they made me make the SSB lose the titles in my EWR diary. Just on principle.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 13, 2019 22:55:05 GMT -5
They just need more direction and a purpose, their gear looks like shit. I like their whole minion shtick but they don't seem like they have any clue what they wanna be and that's not good when the company is pushing you
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 13, 2019 23:02:44 GMT -5
I didn't quite understand the freak out some people were having about them in the show thread, thought they were just fine in the match, but I agree that AEW needs to get people invested in why these guys are doing what they're doing. For a promotion that's done a hell of a job building up relative unknowns, they've glossed over these guys too much, which isn't a great idea given they've got a gimmick that needs some explanation. Hard to expect the crowd to care about them enough when they can't really know what their story is.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 13, 2019 23:03:17 GMT -5
They're talented. It hurts them that they have been non existent in the states for a few years so pretty much nobody knows how Uno and Dos became Evil Uno and Stu Grayson.
Stu looks fine, but they have to work on Uno's look. If they were still the face Smash Bros and he had his old tights thatd be one thing but this version of Evil Uno looms sloppy.
I also dont think putting them in a three way was a good idea... especially since Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus are hella over
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Post by Dub H on Jul 13, 2019 23:05:25 GMT -5
Put me in the "They are talented but they need direction" camp.
Evil Uno needs a more thematic gear(his current one makes no sense) and focus more on the "Big Cheating Bully" that his character is.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 13, 2019 23:05:35 GMT -5
I didn't quite understand the freak out some people were having about them in the show thread, thought they were just fine in the match, but I agree that AEW needs to get people invested in why these guys are doing what they're doing. For a promotion that's done a hell of a job building up relative unknowns, they've glossed over these guys too much, which isn't a great idea given they've got a gimmick that needs some explanation. Hard to expect the crowd to care about them enough when they can't really know what their story is. Kind of in the same boat, I can get Uno aesthetically not looking great but he did and sold every move he took in that match just fine. His senton was also nuts. Stu also showed some impressive power. I just think the gimmick is so blindingly directionless people can't get past it, and I can't blame them.
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Post by eJm on Jul 13, 2019 23:05:42 GMT -5
I didn't quite understand the freak out some people were having about them in the show thread, thought they were just fine in the match, but I agree that AEW needs to get people invested in why these guys are doing what they're doing. For a promotion that's done a hell of a job building up relative unknowns, they've glossed over these guys too much, which isn't a great idea given they've got a gimmick that needs some explanation. Hard to expect the crowd to care about them enough when they can't really know what their story is. Pretty much this. Didn’t read the show thread but yeah, they did their job well. It’s harder to do it for these PPV format shows because TV’d help them get over way better as you don’t need them to appear outside of promos so I don’t blame them for putting them out there as soon as. It is a misstep but not offensive.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 13, 2019 23:14:55 GMT -5
I didn't quite understand the freak out some people were having about them in the show thread, thought they were just fine in the match, but I agree that AEW needs to get people invested in why these guys are doing what they're doing. For a promotion that's done a hell of a job building up relative unknowns, they've glossed over these guys too much, which isn't a great idea given they've got a gimmick that needs some explanation. Hard to expect the crowd to care about them enough when they can't really know what their story is. Pretty much this. Didn’t read the show thread but yeah, they did their job well. It’s harder to do it for these PPV format shows because TV’d help them get over way better as you don’t need them to appear outside of promos so I don’t blame them for putting them out there as soon as. It is a misstep but not offensive. I also think starting them out in a triple threat wasn't the best plan; that kind of match is great if you're A Boy and His Dinosaur or Evans/Angelico: those are teams that that can be defined by their offense (though obviously ABahD also have the very obvious gimmicks and size differential helping them stand out), which is often perfect for the format, but the crowd needed a proper introduction to Dark Order, and putting them into a match format that revolves around "everyone get your shit in!" wasn't the right call, for me. I say it's far from unsalvageable, the two are way too talented for that, but this is where a promotion needs to do its job and promote properly, not everybody's going to come in and click right away with an audience with no explanation/background given.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 13, 2019 23:17:12 GMT -5
Their tag team finisher is REALLY good, which got enough of a reaction to help them in their future work. They have some shit to iron out but I don't think it's that.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 13, 2019 23:17:19 GMT -5
These guys look like dudes who should be doing jobs for the Bouncers on ROH TV. Think about that statement.
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Post by deadzeppelin on Jul 13, 2019 23:19:23 GMT -5
Really? I actually thought they were pretty damn good in that match. I was impressed. I think they just need a little more refining and they'd be great. It honestly felt like the crowd just needs time to get to know them
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 13, 2019 23:20:01 GMT -5
These guys look like dudes who should be doing jobs for the Bouncers on ROH TV. Think about that statement. Don’t do them like that, lmao
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Post by eJm on Jul 13, 2019 23:20:10 GMT -5
Pretty much this. Didn’t read the show thread but yeah, they did their job well. It’s harder to do it for these PPV format shows because TV’d help them get over way better as you don’t need them to appear outside of promos so I don’t blame them for putting them out there as soon as. It is a misstep but not offensive. I also think starting them out in a triple threat wasn't the best plan; that kind of match is great if you're A Boy and His Dinosaur or Evans/Angelico: those are teams that that can be defined by their offense (though obviously ABahD also have the very obvious gimmicks and size differential helping them stand out), which is often perfect for the format, but the crowd needed a proper introduction to Dark Order, and putting them into a match format that revolves around "everyone get your shit in!" wasn't the right call, for me. I say it's far from unsalvageable, the two are way too talented for that, but this is where a promotion needs to do its job and promote properly, not everybody's going to come in and click right away with an audience with no explanation/background given. Absolutely. In my scenario, I would have had the feed get interrupted and their faces be shown or something and nobody knows what’s going on. You can do the teases on “The Road to” shows and debut them at All Out or TNT as the viewers have enough to know they’re coming and then you can have them squash some fools or interrupt a match to cause chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 23:24:48 GMT -5
They aren't bad...they're good wrestlers and have good team chemistry. I think they'll benefit when TV starts and their characters can flesh out a little bit more. That match was solid. Uno does probably need a new name and look, but I think we're being overly critical of them.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Jul 13, 2019 23:31:39 GMT -5
Evil Uno was so damn bad, lol. Awful look and his in ring style made 0 sense to the point where everything he did felt like a contradiction of the last thing he did.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 13, 2019 23:49:38 GMT -5
I think they'll look much better in a straight up tag match honestly. While Stu can (could?) Do some crazy stuff, Uno is much better with story telling. I don't think this was the match for that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 0:03:07 GMT -5
This is the trap I was always afraid AEW would fall into and is the same one WWE and alot of other companies fall into. This gimmick does not mesh with the rest of the show When I look at those guys I go back to The difference being you both understood what Mil and the rest of them were and there was no conflict with the world they were apart of. The Dark Order makes no sense because their is no explaination about who or what they are and they clash with the rest of the show...everyone else seems fairly grounded but then here comes this...cult? , the undead? idk and that seems to apply to just about everyone else.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 14, 2019 0:11:59 GMT -5
A woman's spooky perverts
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Post by Cyno on Jul 14, 2019 0:16:54 GMT -5
I didn't quite understand the freak out some people were having about them in the show thread, thought they were just fine in the match, but I agree that AEW needs to get people invested in why these guys are doing what they're doing. For a promotion that's done a hell of a job building up relative unknowns, they've glossed over these guys too much, which isn't a great idea given they've got a gimmick that needs some explanation. Hard to expect the crowd to care about them enough when they can't really know what their story is. Agreed. I think they should've saved them until the TV show considering their gimmicks. That sorta thing would benefit a lot more from a regular TV show versus sporadic PPV shows and internet vignettes.
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