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Post by Dub H on Jul 15, 2019 18:13:03 GMT -5
This match is the only thing about them I've seen, but I was okay with it. Held their own fine, had a few flashes of excellence. I do agree that Uno needs better gear - way too '80s southern jobber - but if this is his normal entrance, with all the...uhm, disciples, then I say ramp it up a notch and play into the nature of it, without sexualizing it. Or go that way if that's the intention. But it feels like the prototype of a really cult classic gimmick and needs tweaking. Yeh go full on with the Creepers. Order Minions in tag matches to "soften" their opponents, Use then as meat shield when going outside of the ring. Have a minion suddenly jump in front of an attack to save him. Have a "ultimate sure death" finisher where all the minions are involved. Have then spy on other teams. Beat then around when things dont go your way
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 15, 2019 19:08:13 GMT -5
That one match got them over with me. They didn't get much shine but what they did get impressed me.
I do agree that Uno looks like a shitty indie monster heel with a name like Landfill in that gear. Needs a better everything.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 16, 2019 1:14:08 GMT -5
The one guy looks like a giant potato wearing a mask.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 3:13:45 GMT -5
I really want AEW to succeed, but to do that, they do need to display the ability to create and develop characters and introduce them to the audience in an effective way. The majority of the roster are just doing what they did elsewhere for years, without much of a difference. The Librarians and Dark Order are the initial AEW "originals," in terms of gimmicks. Not very confidence building examples.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 16, 2019 3:34:47 GMT -5
I really want AEW to succeed, but to do that, they do need to display the ability to create and develop characters and introduce them to the audience in an effective way. The majority of the roster are just doing what they did elsewhere for years, without much of a difference. The Librarians and Dark Order are the initial AEW "originals," in terms of gimmicks. Not very confidence building examples. I wouldn't exactly call The Dark Order originals, as they too have been doing this act in Canadian indies for a while. It's just that they were on exile from the US indy scene, so even the fans that follow the most popular alternate promotions (NJPW, ROH, Impact, Being the Elite, MLW, even GCW) wouldn't know them.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 16, 2019 22:37:04 GMT -5
When Uno first transitioned into Evil Uno on the indies he was a little slimmer, so the gear didn't look as bad on him. In part because it was made for his body shape and weight he had at that time (he was still a chubby dude, but not as big). But he's packed back on the pounds, as has been a struggle for the guy throughout his career and I feel for him as I know he's not the only wrestler or person to ever have that issue, and I'm pretty sure it's the same gear so you end up with a Hero/Ohno situation where it just...doesn't look as good as it's obviously kind of ill fitted to his body now.
Over all I think Uno and Stu are fine, their good wrestlers and they have a solid gimmick with distinct looks (in Uno's case, the mask). They just need time dedicated to them, like a bunch of people have been saying since their debut. I think this match was the first step in the right direction with that too.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 18, 2019 3:18:18 GMT -5
Any word on who the minions were exactly?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 18, 2019 3:41:21 GMT -5
I really want AEW to succeed, but to do that, they do need to display the ability to create and develop characters and introduce them to the audience in an effective way. The majority of the roster are just doing what they did elsewhere for years, without much of a difference. The Librarians and Dark Order are the initial AEW "originals," in terms of gimmicks. Not very confidence building examples. I dunno, one video package and one match did, as Darby Allin put it, more good for him than 5 years would have done on 205 Live, in his estimation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 4:29:13 GMT -5
I really want AEW to succeed, but to do that, they do need to display the ability to create and develop characters and introduce them to the audience in an effective way. The majority of the roster are just doing what they did elsewhere for years, without much of a difference. The Librarians and Dark Order are the initial AEW "originals," in terms of gimmicks. Not very confidence building examples. I dunno, one video package and one match did, as Darby Allin put it, more good for him than 5 years would have done on 205 Live, in his estimation. I may be mistaken, but for what it's worth, I've heard he makes his own video packages (he's skilled at that, aside from being a wrestler). That said, one of AEW's strengths from a production standpoint so far is that they have, in general, done solid video packages. I'd just like to see more examples of those in the future, and less "creativity" like the Librarians and Dark Order. Just my opinion.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 18, 2019 16:03:04 GMT -5
Any word on who the minions were exactly? I can't speak for who they are now with any level of confidence I admit, but I know on the indies they used to be people Uno helped train and other young boys from the area to help give them experience working a crowd and to an extent working a match (when they'd get involved in his matches) without throwing them out there in just heatless dark matches or squash matches and nothing else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 17:02:30 GMT -5
While far from the most pressing issue with this group, Stu could really use some muscle mass. I'm not usually too critical about that kind of stuff, but dude has the physique of a preteen boy and he walked out trying to puff out his non-existent chest like he thinks he's a hoss. Makes an already aesthetically questionable act look worse.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 18, 2019 17:40:30 GMT -5
While far from the most pressing issue with this group, Stu could really use some muscle mass. I'm not usually too critical about that kind of stuff, but dude has the physique of a preteen boy and he walked out trying to puff out his non-existent chest like he thinks he's a hoss. Makes an already aesthetically questionable act look worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 17:50:08 GMT -5
While far from the most pressing issue with this group, Stu could really use some muscle mass. I'm not usually too critical about that kind of stuff, but dude has the physique of a preteen boy and he walked out trying to puff out his non-existent chest like he thinks he's a hoss. Makes an already aesthetically questionable act look worse. He looks absolutely scrawny in action. He did at FFtF, anyway. Looked more like this version of himself:
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Post by Cyno on Jul 18, 2019 18:00:41 GMT -5
I dunno, one video package and one match did, as Darby Allin put it, more good for him than 5 years would have done on 205 Live, in his estimation. I may be mistaken, but for what it's worth, I've heard he makes his own video packages (he's skilled at that, aside from being a wrestler). That said, one of AEW's strengths from a production standpoint so far is that they have, in general, done solid video packages. I'd just like to see more examples of those in the future, and less "creativity" like the Librarians and Dark Order. Just my opinion. As stated before, the Dark Order was already doing that gimmick on the Canadian indy scene pre-AEW. And from what we've seen from AEW's creative process so far, they're more content to let folks have more creative freedom and do what worked for them in the indies and elsewhere with tweaks here and there vs. making new gimmicks for everyone McMahon-style. They also seem to take criticism in stride for now. Like with the Librarians, there are things that clearly didn't work. But instead of digging in their heels and keeping everything as is (or going full McMahon and doubling down on the things people don't like), they made adjustments. The Librarians at FFTF were way more positively received at heels than they were at DON or especially Fyter Fest.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 18, 2019 22:53:51 GMT -5
He looks absolutely scrawny in action. He did at FFtF, anyway. Looked more like this version of himself: You and I must have been viewing two different events then. Especially since one of the pictures I used was literally from a weekend before FFTF. Stu hasn't looked that thin in years.
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Post by Malibu Albino on Jul 19, 2019 9:36:14 GMT -5
I guess I get it, Stu is a small guy but there isn't really anything he can do about his height. His body is in incredible shape and that is enough for me to be convinced that he can wreck shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 10:52:34 GMT -5
He looks absolutely scrawny in action. He did at FFtF, anyway. Looked more like this version of himself: You and I must have been viewing two different events then. Especially since one of the pictures I used was literally from a weekend before FFTF. Stu hasn't looked that thin in years. He looks much better in the pictures you posted. I went back and watched the 3 way match again and yeah, he's pretty cut and has abs so maybe my preteen boy comment was off, but I definitely think adding some muscle mass would help the act look more legit--especially if he's going to stomp around like Kratos. Of course it's not at the top of my list of issues with them, but I was kind of giggling at him trying to come off like a big boy.
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Post by Derk! on Jul 19, 2019 11:09:59 GMT -5
The only issue I have with them is their gear, especially Evil Uno's. It was a great match and their finisher (as well the move they did before it) was amazing. Hopefully with TV coming up they have time to flesh out their characters.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jul 19, 2019 12:06:43 GMT -5
Funny how a year ago when these guys were announced for a Ring of Honor show (to face the Young Bucks) people were salivating at the thought.
Now they suck.
What happened? Evil Uno has looked like...one of us...for years, and has always been the mid-1970’s southern brawler of the two.
Was it that you guys had only heard they were awesome but had never seen them for yourselves?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 20:45:21 GMT -5
I'd just like to reiterate that these guys absolutely blow.
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