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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 21:17:02 GMT -5
Or is this AEW not understanding the importance of a pre-show aspect regarding getting people to watch the show.
For starters, the Librarians... I think it's established that the Librarians are "go away heat", to the point where I'm going to rename the old "X-Pac Heat", "Librarian Heat". I hate their gimmick, I hate their wrestling, and I hate everything about them. Again; not everyone watches Being the Elite.
Secondly... why are there fat people in gimp masks running around? Is there a purpose to this?
And, finally, what's with all the goofy stuff happening during this part of the event that doesn't transpire during the actual card? I mean, Fyter Fest started out with them going hog wild on the whole Fyre Festival memetics with references aplenty. I know it's to make sure that the main card allows for the wrestling to be the emphasis, and it's probably also them trying to stretch their creative muscles to show that they're not just going to be all about "workrate" and the boring stuff, yet I believe it's the goal of AEW right now to not present themselves as "WWE through a Filter" considering that this is the part of the event that you're supposed to convince people to invest money and time into the show.
I dunno. Right now, I personally feel like this is the dumping ground for AEW's failed ideas or garbage, which means you're better off killing another hour before the main card begins.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 14, 2019 21:37:41 GMT -5
Fight For The Fallen pre-show was pretty good.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 14, 2019 21:38:21 GMT -5
Think they are just experimenting very hard but I can see if you are a person who has never watched the product before you'd be confused as hell what the f*** you are supposed to be watching
They have to find a nice sweet spot between advancing stuff on the main show and getting the comedy in
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2019 21:46:02 GMT -5
Most are not waiting until a pre-show to decide if they're ordering a PPV or not. I really, really do not buy that.
Beyond that, though, the Fyter Fest one was pretty obviously catered to the crowd there, with Double or Nothing's seemingly meant as a bit of a grab bag of misfit personalities to get a bunch of folks on the show, some of whom like Orange Cassidy got over more than others.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 14, 2019 22:05:50 GMT -5
The Librarian was fine last night. Perfect lower card role. And I enjoyed the pre show when I was at Double or Nothing. Nothing out of the park but 2/3 have been solid in my opinion and the one that wasn't still had a good match on it.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 14, 2019 22:09:36 GMT -5
If the Librarians have go away heat, why did the crowd start shushing when Avalon was among the goobers breaking up Jericho and Page? I think people are exaggerating when they talk about this act killing crowds and stuff, because they've always gotten some ridiculous chant or reaction from the crowd in every appearance, and acts with "X-Pac heat" don't really get that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 22:13:46 GMT -5
If the Librarians have go away heat, why did the crowd start shushing when Avalon was among the goobers breaking up Jericho and Page? I think people are exaggerating when they talk about this act killing crowds and stuff, because they've always gotten some ridiculous chant or reaction from the crowd in every appearance, and acts with "X-Pac heat" don't really get that. I know it's subjective, but seriously; my disdain for the Librarians can only be matched by R-Truth right now, and R-Truth will always hold a spot as my most hated thing in wrestling. They don't kill crowds, but they sure as heck kill my interest.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2019 22:17:00 GMT -5
If the Librarians have go away heat, why did the crowd start shushing when Avalon was among the goobers breaking up Jericho and Page? I think people are exaggerating when they talk about this act killing crowds and stuff, because they've always gotten some ridiculous chant or reaction from the crowd in every appearance, and acts with "X-Pac heat" don't really get that. Yeah, I get that there are plenty of people who dislike the Librarians, and I can totally get why, but the crowds have played along with it at both Fyter and Fight. The anti-reading chants have been pretty damn funny.
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Post by markymark on Jul 14, 2019 22:17:18 GMT -5
The latest buy in had the least amount of comedy relief by far, its such a shame that the women tag match was a trainwreck, the AEW women division needs help so badly, the Joshis cant carry it all by themselves.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2019 22:31:04 GMT -5
The latest buy in had the least amount of comedy relief by far, its such a shame that the women tag match was a trainwreck, the AEW women division needs help so badly, the Joshis cant carry it all by themselves. Shit happens, unfortunately, and an injury sidelined that. I won't say they need it *badly*, given Nyla's coming along nicely, and Brandi finally confirming she is a heel ought to give some direction to the women, but obviously, Aja Kong and the other joshi can't be here forever. I wonder if Aja will put over the other Kong, since I could see Nyla wanting to go after her for revenge for the Fatal Four Way, which seemed to anger Nyla more than the others. It'd also be a nice way to help shape Nyla into the beast she can be. Hmm.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 14, 2019 23:04:56 GMT -5
I still think there's zero point to AEW having a women's division since most of the potential viewers are either 1) People who followed these guys in NJPW, 2) People who followed ROH, 3) Lapsed WWE fans from the past few years or 4) Old WCW fans that might be interested in TNT having wrestling again. Really none of those groups are interested in the women, aside from maybe some lapsed WWE fans. There's also that troubling notion that I feel the women's division in AEW is a vehicle to get Brandi Rhodes over, and that is going to SUCK.
The reality is that while guys like Omega and the Bucks may be great wrestlers, they have zero business having any creative, booking, or talent signing input in a wrestling organization. They have poor taste in silly comedy and even worse taste in wanting to sign the biggest bunch of indie weirdo jobbers known to man.
Think about WWE's preshow stuff. Tonight they had Nakamura/Balor for the IC on the preshow (!) and also Nese/Gulak for the cruiser title. Those are actual wrestling matches. Otherwise the announcers went over the card. Compare that to the freaks and geeks battle royale, Nakazawa/Jebailey, the Librarians crap, etc. I would say I would wish TNA would make a comeback since they at least have a semblance of a real roster, but then I see they actually main evented that Callihan/Blanchard crap at a PPV. Maybe someone should give MLW a decent TV deal? That was at least an okay show from what I've seen. Nothing great, but it didn't embarrass me as a fan.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 14, 2019 23:37:02 GMT -5
I still think there's zero point to AEW having a women's division since most of the potential viewers are either 1) People who followed these guys in NJPW, 2) People who followed ROH, 3) Lapsed WWE fans from the past few years or 4) Old WCW fans that might be interested in TNT having wrestling again. Really none of those groups are interested in the women, aside from maybe some lapsed WWE fans. There's also that troubling notion that I feel the women's division in AEW is a vehicle to get Brandi Rhodes over, and that is going to SUCK. The reality is that while guys like Omega and the Bucks may be great wrestlers, they have zero business having any creative, booking, or talent signing input in a wrestling organization. They have poor taste in silly comedy and even worse taste in wanting to sign the biggest bunch of indie weirdo jobbers known to man. Think about WWE's preshow stuff. Tonight they had Nakamura/Balor for the IC on the preshow (!) and also Nese/Gulak for the cruiser title. Those are actual wrestling matches. Otherwise the announcers went over the card. Compare that to the freaks and geeks battle royale, Nakazawa/Jebailey, the Librarians crap, etc. I would say I would wish TNA would make a comeback since they at least have a semblance of a real roster, but then I see they actually main evented that Callihan/Blanchard crap at a PPV. Maybe someone should give MLW a decent TV deal? That was at least an okay show from what I've seen. Nothing great, but it didn't embarrass me as a fan. There is a lot wrong in one post which i'm sure someone would go over it so I will just nitpick a few points. You might not like it,but their fanbase do.You know why no one will give MLW a deal?Because they dont draw. You can be embarassed all you want,that doesnt change the fact that "silly comedy"(Which BTE was built upon) and "weirdos" are bringing interest. You can say they have no business in creative,booking and talent relations but BTE,All In and the success of all AEW shows contradict.All you said just shows you are way behind the times and have no idea what AEW is going for.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 15, 2019 2:17:36 GMT -5
I still think there's zero point to AEW having a women's division since most of the potential viewers are either 1) People who followed these guys in NJPW, 2) People who followed ROH, 3) Lapsed WWE fans from the past few years or 4) Old WCW fans that might be interested in TNT having wrestling again. Really none of those groups are interested in the women, aside from maybe some lapsed WWE fans. There's also that troubling notion that I feel the women's division in AEW is a vehicle to get Brandi Rhodes over, and that is going to SUCK. The reality is that while guys like Omega and the Bucks may be great wrestlers, they have zero business having any creative, booking, or talent signing input in a wrestling organization. They have poor taste in silly comedy and even worse taste in wanting to sign the biggest bunch of indie weirdo jobbers known to man. Think about WWE's preshow stuff. Tonight they had Nakamura/Balor for the IC on the preshow (!) and also Nese/Gulak for the cruiser title. Those are actual wrestling matches. Otherwise the announcers went over the card. Compare that to the freaks and geeks battle royale, Nakazawa/Jebailey, the Librarians crap, etc. I would say I would wish TNA would make a comeback since they at least have a semblance of a real roster, but then I see they actually main evented that Callihan/Blanchard crap at a PPV. Maybe someone should give MLW a decent TV deal? That was at least an okay show from what I've seen. Nothing great, but it didn't embarrass me as a fan. You really, really, really do not like women's wrestling, do you?
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Post by eJm on Jul 15, 2019 2:18:57 GMT -5
Most are not waiting until a pre-show to decide if they're ordering a PPV or not. I really, really do not buy that. Yeah, that’s like saying most boxing fans order a PPV right as the undercard gets announced when we all know most casual boxing fans can’t even name a match on the undercard. I get that they’re lackluster and it has to improve but at the same time...the last two “controversial” ones have come on shows that were free to Americans anyway. So even if you thought that part of the show sucked, there’s literally no harm in watching the rest of it anyway because you are paying diddly squat for it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 15, 2019 3:18:02 GMT -5
If the Librarians have go away heat, why did the crowd start shushing when Avalon was among the goobers breaking up Jericho and Page? I think people are exaggerating when they talk about this act killing crowds and stuff, because they've always gotten some ridiculous chant or reaction from the crowd in every appearance, and acts with "X-Pac heat" don't really get that. Yeah, I get that there are plenty of people who dislike the Librarians, and I can totally get why, but the crowds have played along with it at both Fyter and Fight. The anti-reading chants have been pretty damn funny. I personally think they found some footing at Fight for the Fallen. They had the crowd in the palm of their hands, got some of the biggest boos of the night, and got Sonny Kiss way over because they wanted to see Avalon get his ass kicked. It was a great short little match that showed The Librarians current inability to work together and got Kiss way over. They're fine and people are blowing them out of proportion and the Bucks are rolling with it obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 3:42:41 GMT -5
They don't do house shows or are on TV yet so the buy ins are their only opportunity at throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. I expect the buy ins to be less crap once they're on TV.
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Post by eJm on Jul 15, 2019 3:46:51 GMT -5
They don't do house shows or are on TV yet so the buy ins are their only opportunity at throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. I expect the buy ins to be less crap once they're on TV. If they're still this much of a mishmash by the time they're on TNT, then we can be concerned. But even with others saying how much WWE's pre-shows have improved, that took a long time to happen and even then, it's still thrown together at the last minute so it doesn't feel like it matters much anyway.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 15, 2019 7:16:58 GMT -5
They don't do house shows or are on TV yet so the buy ins are their only opportunity at throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. I expect the buy ins to be less crap once they're on TV. If they're still this much of a mishmash by the time they're on TNT, then we can be concerned. But even with others saying how much WWE's pre-shows have improved, that took a long time to happen and even then, it's still thrown together at the last minute so it doesn't feel like it matters much anyway. I hardly see how it improved when one match is 205 which almost no one watches and the other match had 0 build.
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Post by eJm on Jul 15, 2019 7:18:40 GMT -5
If they're still this much of a mishmash by the time they're on TNT, then we can be concerned. But even with others saying how much WWE's pre-shows have improved, that took a long time to happen and even then, it's still thrown together at the last minute so it doesn't feel like it matters much anyway. I hardly see how it improved when one match is 205 which almost no one watches and the other match had 0 build. I mean the matches are good and sort of based on stuff in the WWE canon and not just “Here’s Miz vs. Barrett because they have nothing else to do for the show!”
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Jul 15, 2019 18:55:27 GMT -5
I've really enjoyed all the Buy Ins, even the one for Fyter Fest, despite me not caring about video games beyond collecting Pokemon plushies. And I find it interesting how much people didn't care for the battle royale at the one preceding Double or Nothing. I don't watch WWE exclusively, but it's the only promotion I watch with any sense of regularity, and I don't watch the Youtube show, so I was unfamiliar with the majority of participants. But the match did a great job of introducing them to me.
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