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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Jul 16, 2019 19:39:24 GMT -5
There are some good arguments for both here, but I'll have to say Triple H. I know his reign is viewed in some circles as this old school run akin to Flair in the '80s and, in a certain light, I can see that. He was positioned as a bastard heel who could be realistically beaten by any of his challengers yet always managed to escape with the belt in hand. Unfortunately, his reign featured narratives like "Triple H accuses Kane of murder and necrophilia and gets away with it" or "Triple H acts like a racist piece of shit to Booker T and gets away with it." Neither feud needed to go to those extremes for the drama but they did. They absolutely shouldn't have booked Triple H to go over in any of these feuds but they did. It's not hard to see why that would leave an irreversibly yucky taste in people's mouths.
Like, yeah, I'm sure there are bad things about Brock's reign you wouldn't have gotten in Triple H's, but I can't fault people for having such a negative emotional response to things like racism and Paul Levesque dry-humping in a casket that they can't look past it. I really can't.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 16, 2019 20:06:43 GMT -5
HHH by a wide margin
As annoying as Lesnar matches can be at times, At least he's not subjected us to matches as bad as the 2 HHH/Scott Steiner matches.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 16, 2019 21:18:21 GMT -5
Another point:
The big gold belt was still relatively new to WWE at the time. Booker, Rock, and Jericho were WCW champions. Help me if I get anything wrong here, but I guess Triple H was the first "WWE World Heavyweight Champion."
And as been stated before, they had to build up that title as a big deal, and yes...fairly quickly (haha). Putting it on HHH made the most sense at the time. Austin and Rock were gone. They weren't backing Jericho again. They didn't want it on a WCW or ECW guy in Booker and RVD. Undertaker was on SmackDown.
So you had the last major player from the Attitude Era take it. Kane was there, but he was never a mainstay in the main event the way Triple H was.
So, yeah...Triple H's reign was rough, and I say that as a fan. But you had to put it on somebody who would treat the belt like it was his reason for living. HHH did that. Probably way longer than he had to, but that belt seemed like a real prize.
Brock seems to not give a good god damn about the Universal title. He seems more like a child with his toys. You know, how if they see somebody playing with their toy, even if they don't play with it...nobody else can? Brock disappears for months, but when he comes back, he's like, "I want my toy back that I didn't give a damn about for months."
When somebody beat Triple H, they had to overcome Evolution and sledgehammer shots. And I assume, despite all of his other flaws, that Triple H never thought, "I'd really love to just hit a spinebuster twenty times and The Pedigree three times and win in less than five minutes." He does care about putting on a show for fans.
Brock just gives the impression that he really doesn't care, loves hitting two moves, and collecting a check for more money than most of us will ever see in our lives. I would still rather have somebody have a death grip on the belt and be involved every week than a guy who gets to sit home and get everything handed to him when he feels like coming to work.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 16, 2019 22:02:15 GMT -5
I never remember the timelines, was the Reign of Terror before or during Evolution? Cause I remember periods where Hunter's domination was annoying beyond belief but he was less so with Evolution cause they were an actual entertaining group with Flair and all. I do remember how I hated the Booker T and Steiner feuds but I'm not sure if it was during Evolution or not.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 16, 2019 22:42:07 GMT -5
I never remember the timelines, was the Reign of Terror before or during Evolution? Cause I remember periods where Hunter's domination was annoying beyond belief but he was less so with Evolution cause they were an actual entertaining group with Flair and all. I do remember how I hated the Booker T and Steiner feuds but I'm not sure if it was during Evolution or not. The vast majority of it is during, other than the first four months or so when it was just Triple H and Flair.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jul 16, 2019 22:44:14 GMT -5
I never remember the timelines, was the Reign of Terror before or during Evolution? Cause I remember periods where Hunter's domination was annoying beyond belief but he was less so with Evolution cause they were an actual entertaining group with Flair and all. I do remember how I hated the Booker T and Steiner feuds but I'm not sure if it was during Evolution or not. Yes the reign of terror spanned just about the entire run of evolution
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Post by Malcolm on Jul 16, 2019 23:04:45 GMT -5
I'm gonna go with Brock Lesnar. Yeah, I know that Triple H's reign was pretty godawful with shit like Katie Vick, the Booker T racism, and the burials, but I'm basing this on overall entertainment factor. Despite that, I still thought there were a few funny promos with Rick Flair, some cool stuff with Legend Killer Randy Orton and Evolution and other bits here and there within all that crap. I can't think of a single memorable thing about Lesnar's reign outside of the boombox thing.
Yes, Brock isn't burying anybody... but he's also pretty damn boring.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 16, 2019 23:07:09 GMT -5
Here’s the big one for me
Triple H put Shelton Benjamin over TWICE in 2004.
Brock Lesnar, I guarantee you, would not, and they were a damned tag team when they were starting out in OVW.
Triple H’s run is nowhere near as bad as Brock’s.
And I speak from experience, I was AT Armageddon 2003.
I would still take Hunter’s run every time.
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Post by BigAl on Jul 16, 2019 23:11:34 GMT -5
No Alexa? 😀
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 16, 2019 23:15:00 GMT -5
Lesnar is working with what is given to him, HHH was booking himself. So HHH was worse I was prepared to say Brock (And I ain’t even a big hater) but this does give me pause and make me want to reconsider HHH.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 16, 2019 23:19:09 GMT -5
Here’s the big one for me Triple H put Shelton Benjamin over TWICE in 2004. Brock Lesnar, I guarantee you, would not,. Vince: im paying you to pretend lose to this guy Lesnar: k
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Post by Dub H on Jul 16, 2019 23:24:21 GMT -5
Here’s the big one for me Triple H put Shelton Benjamin over TWICE in 2004. Brock Lesnar, I guarantee you, would not,. Vince: im paying you to pretend lose to this guy Lesnar: k Nah ,Lesnar wouldnt even allow Dean to do stuff. Lesnar aint dumb ,he wants to keep his profile at the biggest so Vince all the mkney Lesnar wants. Basically Lesnar has absolute control and wont risk anything on it.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Jul 16, 2019 23:28:20 GMT -5
Here’s the big one for me Triple H put Shelton Benjamin over TWICE in 2004. Brock Lesnar, I guarantee you, would not,. Vince: im paying you to pretend lose to this guy Lesnar: k Nah, it'd probably go Vince: I'm paying you to pretend to lose to this guy. Brock: Or, you could pay me MORE to NOT lose to this guy. Vince: Damn it, pal! You got me! Here's 4 more million dollars and the Universal title!
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 17, 2019 0:45:31 GMT -5
Vince: im paying you to pretend lose to this guy Lesnar: k Nah, it'd probably go Vince: I'm paying you to pretend to lose to this guy. Brock: Or, you could pay me MORE to NOT lose to this guy. Vince: Damn it, pal! You got me! Here's 4 more million dollars and the Universal title! Yeah, yours is way more accurate LOL
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Post by Cyno on Jul 17, 2019 0:45:34 GMT -5
Lesnar is working with what is given to him, HHH was booking himself. So HHH was worse I was prepared to say Brock (And I ain’t even a big hater) but this does give me pause and make me want to reconsider HHH. Going by Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley's interviews post-WWE, if Lesnar's not booking himself, he's sure as shit being catered to at the expense of everyone else that he might as well be.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Jul 17, 2019 1:08:25 GMT -5
Triple H's Reign of Terror ruined Jericho (at the time), Steiner, RVD, and Booker T.
Brock's reign the only person I can think of that got ruined is Braun.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 17, 2019 2:21:00 GMT -5
Triple H's Reign of Terror ruined Jericho (at the time), Steiner, RVD, and Booker T. Brock's reign the only person I can think of that got ruined is Braun. Was anybody really expecting Scott Steiner to do anything major in WWE?
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Post by government mule on Jul 17, 2019 3:26:35 GMT -5
HHH damn near killed my interest in wrestling. EVERY Raw show begining with a 20 min segment about absolutely nothing, leading to absolute dross in the main event. Horrible horrible horrible.
I could not give two shits about the universal title. The legacy is god awful. Brock could keep it forever as far as I am concerned. If he were holding the WWE title to ransom, then I would have more if a problem with it, but my opinion is they're fighting Lesnar over a title that has been absolutely f***ed from the beginning when Finn had to relinquish it almost instantly, and it's never recovered.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 17, 2019 4:14:55 GMT -5
Triple H as the dominant face of the company was poison, the only reason people believe Lesnar is anywhere close is it's fresher in their minds. Never forget the constant cutting of the same promo to kick off ever show, how long and tedious his delivery was, never forget the way the show was scripted to be a tribute to his greatness and the way they hired WCW main eventers just to put triple H over.
Lesnar is bad, but Hunter boiled away most of the good will they had left over from the attitude era.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 4:34:12 GMT -5
Triple H's reign of terror easily. It made me stop watching Raw and nearly killed my interest in watching wrestling. Thank God for Smackdown at the time.
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