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Post by Dub H on Jul 17, 2019 11:58:21 GMT -5
With WWE wanting Owens to be "Stone Cold" including giving then the stunner.
And other moments like giving Swagger the Ankle Lock(absolutely because the Angle similarities were many).
Just,why? All you do when making the same finisher for that reason is reminding us that they are not said Star.And both man had really good finishers too.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 17, 2019 11:59:08 GMT -5
Because WWE has taken the weirdest, most counterproductive lessons to everything and now thinks that the solution to all their problems is to channel the past rather than look to the future, compounded by the fact Vince is old and uncreative and doesn't have any original ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 12:02:22 GMT -5
"he's doing the move you told me about, grandpa. You should start watching again"
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Post by thirteen3 on Jul 17, 2019 12:05:39 GMT -5
A real old example of this is The Tonga Kid being a non-union Samoan equivalent of Jimmy Snuka.
EDIT: I may have gotten him mixed up with Siva Afi.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 17, 2019 13:46:18 GMT -5
Because WWE has taken the weirdest, most counterproductive lessons to everything and now thinks that the solution to all their problems is to channel the past rather than look to the future, compounded by the fact Vince is old and uncreative and doesn't have any original ideas. It is still really weird "We want Owens to be the modern Steve Austin!The man you can releate to,he has a family!He looks like you!" Good,one step forward,at least it is something moder- "SO GIVE HIM THE STUNNER,SINCE HE AUSTIN" wait no-! |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 17, 2019 14:17:06 GMT -5
Because WWE has taken the weirdest, most counterproductive lessons to everything and now thinks that the solution to all their problems is to channel the past rather than look to the future, compounded by the fact Vince is old and uncreative and doesn't have any original ideas. It is still really weird "We want Owens to be the modern Steve Austin!The man you can releate to,he has a family!He looks like you!" Good,one step forward,at least it is something moder- "SO GIVE HIM THE STUNNER,SINCE HE AUSTIN" wait no-! Because Vince has no idea what made Austin work. He benefited from other people being there to help him and by not yet being old, shitty, and senile. What he knows about Austin is that the stunner always got a pop. The actual booking that made him successful and the way he resonated with people is all just totally lost on Vince now, so all that's left is the thing Austin does whenever he shows back up that always makes the audience cheer, not realizing the stunner in and of itself was never the actual thing people liked. |
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 17, 2019 15:11:04 GMT -5
It reeks of desperation (not awesomeness) that they are literally trying to do Austin/McMahon over twenty years later with a guy who looks like a regular guy and who wears all black and does the Stunner vs. well...Mr. McMahon Jr.
Maybe they can get Deontay Wilder involved to really rip off the greatest hits.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 17, 2019 15:14:50 GMT -5
A real old example of this is The Tonga Kid being a non-union Samoan equivalent of Jimmy Snuka. Then that makes Sivi Avi the dollar store version? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 15:17:17 GMT -5
Does Macho Mandow count, or...?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 17, 2019 18:06:15 GMT -5
Vince believes that the thing that will work next time is the thing that worked last time, even though it doesn't work now. He wants the next <X> when the guys that make him money generally aren't trying to copy anyone else, Hulk Hogan wasn't the next Bruno, Austin wasn't the next Hogan, Cena wasn't the next Austin... But there a whole heap of failed clones inbetween.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 19:25:07 GMT -5
“How do I make this person a mega star? I have him feud with a biased authority figure!”
Bryan, Punk, Owens, Becky, Roman, Cena and Lashley in 2007 all went through this.
It’s sickeningly played out.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 17, 2019 20:36:11 GMT -5
with their styles, look, swearing they can steal the show, along with a surplus of superkicks, i feel like many superstars have the goal of becoming a poor man's Shawn Michaels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 20:39:39 GMT -5
I feel like many superstars have the goal of becoming a poor man's Shawn Michaels. Or as poor as Shawn Michaels, so they end up working for JBL. |
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Post by hassanchop on Jul 17, 2019 20:51:39 GMT -5
Speaking of which:
They didn't want Rodney Mack to be JYD yet they made Mark Jindrak another Narcissist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 21:06:47 GMT -5
This is one of the many reasons for Roman's failed megapush.
They apparently had no idea what his gimmick should be because he was presented like Cena, Rock, Austin, Daniel Bryan and CM Punk rolled into one and it didn't work at all.
If they wanted to make him anything, he should've at least been like a poor man's Goldberg. One liner. Spear. Leave. Or hell...I don't know...book him like the first Roman Reigns instead of forcing stuff from the past because it worked one time.
No, let's have him recite word for word monologues filled with cheesey jokes because that worked for the Rock. Let's have him split the crowd but still do business because that worked for Cena. Let's have him be a badass rebel against the powers that be because that worked for Stone Cold. Let's him have do worked shoot promos because that worked for Punk. Let's have him be a scrappy underdog because that worked for Daniel Bryan.
At least Kevin Owens can make this direction work since he was already doing an everyman rebel gimmick way back when in NXT and people liked it. Then again...maybe don't have him doing f***ing Stunners and pissing on the company like it's 1998, when it's 20-goddamn-19.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 17, 2019 22:37:21 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason that Kevin Owens started using the Stunner is because he couldn't do his previous finisher for health reasons anymore?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 17, 2019 22:46:18 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason that Kevin Owens started using the Stunner is because he couldn't do his previous finisher for health reasons anymore? If so, idk if the Stunner is the best move for a finisher. Austin said his back was really f***ed up from doing it for years in end. |
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Post by Dub H on Jul 17, 2019 22:55:59 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason that Kevin Owens started using the Stunner is because he couldn't do his previous finisher for health reasons anymore? It was froma news report,I can't find it now so believe a smuch you want ,but when Owens returned with the video packages where he had his family and he debuted the stunner, the idea was to make him the guy everyone can relate to,just like Austins. The Stunner was added to make it much more similar. |
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Post by salz4life on Jul 17, 2019 23:34:54 GMT -5
A real old example of this is The Tonga Kid being a non-union Samoan equivalent of Jimmy Snuka. I thought the Snuka-alike was Sivi Afi. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 23:37:58 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason that Kevin Owens started using the Stunner is because he couldn't do his previous finisher for health reasons anymore? If so that'd be quite odd given he's been using it as a nearfall in like every match. |
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