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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 23, 2019 8:35:50 GMT -5
It was best not to put that Fantastic Beasts. For one, it would add nothing to the story. Also, with a large portion of the audience being children you run the risk of alienating that audience. I taught kids for 6 years. There are a good bit iof parents who aren’t homophobic but also don’t feel comfortable having sexuality discussions at a young age. They would prefer have that discussion on their own terms and not forced into it because of a movie. I I understand not wanting the films to have unneeded “controversy”around them. I'll be frank and say I've never understood this. Like, these things don't even need to boil down to anything sexual. If I were to date someone, I'd date a woman. Someone else might date a man or a woman or non-gendered or trans or whatever the preference might be. None of that has to lead anything sexual and the fact it always goes back that way is kind of disturbing. I'm saying this as someone who was in a relationship with a conflicting sexual structure and how I found out I might be asexual. If two men are seen having come out of a relationship, it could have been platonic, it could have been that they spent time together and never had intercourse. By that logic, you show a mum and dad with a kid in a kids movie, you're telling the kids the Mum and Dad had sex at some point to have said kid which is probably not something they want kids knowing at a young age. I totally agree with you. Sadly homosexuality is still taboo in many places. My wife didn’t let me show our son “Paranorman” because of one scene which wasn’t a bad scene by any stretch. He was six when it came out and she said she didn’t want to have to explain that to him. She was raised in a VERY conservative home. I assume Rowling and the movie execs didn’t want that issue surrounding the film. We have come a long way with acceptance but still a long way to go before True acceptance. I am a firm believer that there is still a lot of homophobia in modern society. As the younger generational come into their own I feel it will gradually dissipate
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 23, 2019 10:53:47 GMT -5
Here's the thing: I respect JK Rowling doing this, because it signals the beginning of her "I've made so much damn money, I've clearly gone insane from it" phase. Aka she’s pulling a McMahon
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 23, 2019 12:34:36 GMT -5
she's been there pretty much since she finished the last book. It probably started the day she said "Dumbledore? Totally gay. It's there if you look for it. No it's not just something I made up off the top of my head 5 minutes ago shut up." Ahh, the situation of "Hey when I started writing my main thing in the 90s I lived in a very insular middle class, white, straight environment so it might not be up to today's standards of representation but rather than just straight up admit that and make my future stuff by these standards, I'll try and crowbar stuff in later" Take it from the bi woman here, the only 2 characters in that book who give off a gay vibe are Lupin and Tonks... who she married off to eachother. While I'm ranting about coded characters, Hermione is a girl with rich dentist parents who live in a 1%er region of London in the 1980s and 90s, but hearing Malfoy call her Mudblood was the first time she'd had discrimination applied to her. There is literally nothing wrong with casting black women for the play, but no matter what JK tweets about her, doesn't change the fact that Book Hermione is written whiter than bleached milk.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 23, 2019 12:39:15 GMT -5
My dookie thread has turned very serious.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2019 12:46:54 GMT -5
It probably started the day she said "Dumbledore? Totally gay. It's there if you look for it. No it's not just something I made up off the top of my head 5 minutes ago shut up." Ahh, the situation of "Hey when I started writing my main thing in the 90s I lived in a very insular middle class, white, straight environment so it might not be up to today's standards of representation but rather than just straight up admit that and make my future stuff by these standards, I'll try and crowbar stuff in later" Take it from the bi woman here, the only 2 characters in that book who give off a gay vibe are Lupin and Tonks... who she married off to eachother. While I'm ranting about coded characters, Hermione is a girl with rich dentist parents who live in a 1%er region of London in the 1980s and 90s, but hearing Malfoy call her Mudblood was the first time she'd had discrimination applied to her. There is literally nothing wrong with casting black women for the play, but no matter what JK tweets about her, doesn't change the fact that Book Hermione is written whiter than bleached milk. Yeah... she should have said something like I had envisioned her as a white woman, but I have no problem with someone casting a black actress to portray her. Rather than try and go off on well I never said she was white...
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Post by chrom on Jul 23, 2019 12:53:36 GMT -5
Let's just be glad Tolkien isn't around to make asinine changes to The Lord of The Rings like she, Martin and others have with their works.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 23, 2019 13:34:45 GMT -5
Also wizards are literally worse than most animals is what she's saying.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Jul 23, 2019 13:46:19 GMT -5
this thread seems a bit chaotic
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 23, 2019 13:49:58 GMT -5
Let's just be glad Tolkien isn't around to make asinine changes to The Lord of The Rings like she, Martin and others have with their works. "You'll never guess what Sauron did before they invented the latrine..." "Here we f***ing go again." "Sauron had an orc follow him around with a bucket and..."
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 23, 2019 13:58:35 GMT -5
she's been there pretty much since she finished the last book. It probably started the day she said "Dumbledore? Totally gay. It's there if you look for it. No it's not just something I made up off the top of my head 5 minutes ago shut up." Dude, that was fairly obvious, at least in the books. When she came out and said it, a lot of us were like, "Yeah, you kind of said that on the pages already."
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Post by Cyno on Jul 23, 2019 16:34:02 GMT -5
It probably started the day she said "Dumbledore? Totally gay. It's there if you look for it. No it's not just something I made up off the top of my head 5 minutes ago shut up." Dude, that was fairly obvious, at least in the books. When she came out and said it, a lot of us were like, "Yeah, you kind of said that on the pages already." I read him as asexual personally until she came out and said that.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 23, 2019 16:36:25 GMT -5
Dude, that was fairly obvious, at least in the books. When she came out and said it, a lot of us were like, "Yeah, you kind of said that on the pages already." I read him as asexual personally until she came out and said that. It really was only obvious in the last book, though it is easy to dismiss some of the clues as Rita Skeeter being a nasty piece of work.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 23, 2019 16:38:33 GMT -5
As far as the OP goes, I imagine a young fan asked her about the muggle bathrooms, got delighted when she gave something other than the obvious "the house-elves were on chamberpot duty", and she decided all other children might be similarly delighted to get that info.
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Post by ANuclearError on Jul 23, 2019 16:43:40 GMT -5
Let's just be glad Tolkien isn't around to make asinine changes to The Lord of The Rings like she, Martin and others have with their works. You're talking about the guy who literally rewrote an entire chapter of the Hobbit to make it fit in with Lord of the Rings.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 23, 2019 16:46:40 GMT -5
Let's just be glad Tolkien isn't around to make asinine changes to The Lord of The Rings like she, Martin and others have with their works. You're talking about the guy who literally rewrote an entire chapter of the Hobbit to make it fit in with Lord of the Rings. Well, in universe The Hobbit was originally written by Bilbo, so there actually is a canon excuse for rewriting it.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 23, 2019 16:51:48 GMT -5
When they opened the new Gringotts bit of the tour, the staff got a little personal thank you recorded message from her during a briefing. Tell me that 10 years ago, I would have been over the moon. As it was, I saw her and just grimaced through the whole thing. I'd say she's lost it, but despite how much I enjoy the books, a lot of it has not aged well. ("Why yes, I am using Remus' status as a werewolf as an AIDS metaphor, just try not to think about it too hard and what the character of Fenrir Greyback reads as.")
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2019 16:54:49 GMT -5
You're talking about the guy who literally rewrote an entire chapter of the Hobbit to make it fit in with Lord of the Rings. Well, in universe The Hobbit was originally written by Bilbo, so there actually is a canon excuse for rewriting it. Yeah There and Back Again that Bilbo writes is the Hobbit.
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Post by ANuclearError on Jul 23, 2019 16:54:51 GMT -5
You're talking about the guy who literally rewrote an entire chapter of the Hobbit to make it fit in with Lord of the Rings. Well, in universe The Hobbit was originally written by Bilbo, so there actually is a canon excuse for rewriting it. Oh undoubtedly, the framing device was well done, but it's still a case of an author retroactively changing his work long after original publication.
However, I think the key difference between Tolkien and Rowling is that Tolkien actually committed to it. He didn't just sneak it into his later publicated letters like JK uses Twitter & Pottermore. It's in the actual text.
Of course, then his son Chrisopher ended up publishing everything well after the fact anyway.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 23, 2019 16:57:29 GMT -5
When they opened the new Gringotts bit of the tour, the staff got a little personal thank you recorded message from her during a briefing. Tell me that 10 years ago, I would have been over the moon. As it was, I saw her and just grimaced through the whole thing. I'd say she's lost it, but despite how much I enjoy the books, a lot of it has not aged well. ("Why yes, I am using Remus' status as a werewolf as an AIDS metaphor, just try not to think about it too hard and what the character of Fenrir Greyback reads as.") Wait, did she actually say that about Lupin and his lycanthropy?
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 23, 2019 17:02:50 GMT -5
When they opened the new Gringotts bit of the tour, the staff got a little personal thank you recorded message from her during a briefing. Tell me that 10 years ago, I would have been over the moon. As it was, I saw her and just grimaced through the whole thing. I'd say she's lost it, but despite how much I enjoy the books, a lot of it has not aged well. ("Why yes, I am using Remus' status as a werewolf as an AIDS metaphor, just try not to think about it too hard and what the character of Fenrir Greyback reads as.") Wait, did she actually say that about Lupin and his lycanthropy? From Pottermore: "Lupin’s condition of lycanthropy (being a werewolf) was a metaphor for those illnesses that carry a stigma, like HIV and AIDS. All kinds of superstitions seem to surround blood-borne conditions, probably due to taboos surrounding blood itself. The wizarding community is as prone to hysteria and prejudice as the Muggle one, and the character of Lupin gave me a chance to examine those attitudes." Which again, really doesn't work once you go a little below the surface.
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