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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 29, 2019 3:20:49 GMT -5
The thing about the InVasion is, it was lazy, terrible writing to end it like they did, but it was a case where WWE could not make it clearer to the audience "We are also sick of this story. You all cool if we call a mulligan here?" and a lot of the audience were fine enough with that. Everyone wanted to put this behind them.
Not that there was any (REALISTIC) good ending here. Vince couldn't find any channels that wanted the WCW brand, which was the plan. Buying WCW increased the roster size, even without the holdous, too much to sustain on one brand. WCW had died an inglorious death, and it wasn't like ECW or to a lesser extent NWA where there was any sort of aura to tap into at this point. Furthermore, I can't imagine the infamous "Black Saturday" events made many channels optimistic.
Had WWF been able to sign Sting, Goldberg, Nash, Rey, etc, I imagine it'd have helped sweeten the deal, but if you don't get that TV deal, there is no future for the InVasion story.
Think about it. For it to work, you'd have had to have the existing WWF wrestlers totally fine with a huge influx of guys, many of whom would be getting their pushes, and some of these guys had poor discipline or attitude problems from the truly ludicrous backstage structure of WCW. It was a breeding grown for shit morale and layoffs.
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Post by eJm on Jul 29, 2019 3:26:31 GMT -5
The thing about the InVasion is, it was lazy, terrible writing to end it like they did, but it was a case where WWE could not make it clearer to the audience "We are also sick of this story. You all cool if we call a mulligan here?" and a lot of the audience were fine enough with that. Everyone wanted to put this behind them. Not that there was any (REALISTIC) good ending here. Vince couldn't find any channels that wanted the WCW brand, which was the plan. Buying WCW increased the roster size, even without the holdous, too much to sustain on one brand. WCW had died an inglorious death, and it wasn't like ECW or to a lesser extent NWA where there was any sort of aura to tap into at this point. Furthermore, I can't imagine the infamous "Black Saturday" events made many channels optimistic. Had WWF been able to sign Sting, Goldberg, Nash, Rey, etc, I imagine it'd have helped sweeten the deal, but if you don't get that TV deal, there is no future for the InVasion story. Think about it. For it to work, you'd have had to have the existing WWF wrestlers totally fine with a huge influx of guys, many of whom would be getting their pushes, and some of these guys had poor discipline or attitude problems from the truly ludicrous backstage structure of WCW. It was a breeding grown for shit morale and layoffs. Oh, I get all of that. It's utterly understandable that the hand they were dealt lead to the decision they did but it was more a problem that comes up time and time again in modern WWE terms. If you have a story and it goes bad, just saying "RESET!" and going from there just makes you seem like you have no clue what else to do from the wall you backed yourself into. I know I bring it up more than it deserves but the Ellsworth stuff with MITB is an example of this where instead of running with the story you made, you just go "Welp, here's some BS rule we just made up and never established before, here's the match again for a ratings grab!"
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 29, 2019 3:30:13 GMT -5
The thing about the InVasion is, it was lazy, terrible writing to end it like they did, but it was a case where WWE could not make it clearer to the audience "We are also sick of this story. You all cool if we call a mulligan here?" and a lot of the audience were fine enough with that. Everyone wanted to put this behind them. Not that there was any (REALISTIC) good ending here. Vince couldn't find any channels that wanted the WCW brand, which was the plan. Buying WCW increased the roster size, even without the holdous, too much to sustain on one brand. WCW had died an inglorious death, and it wasn't like ECW or to a lesser extent NWA where there was any sort of aura to tap into at this point. Furthermore, I can't imagine the infamous "Black Saturday" events made many channels optimistic. Had WWF been able to sign Sting, Goldberg, Nash, Rey, etc, I imagine it'd have helped sweeten the deal, but if you don't get that TV deal, there is no future for the InVasion story. Think about it. For it to work, you'd have had to have the existing WWF wrestlers totally fine with a huge influx of guys, many of whom would be getting their pushes, and some of these guys had poor discipline or attitude problems from the truly ludicrous backstage structure of WCW. It was a breeding grown for shit morale and layoffs. Oh, I get all of that. It's utterly understandable that the hand they were dealt lead to the decision they did but it was more a problem that comes up time and time again in modern WWE terms. If you have a story and it goes bad, just saying "RESET!" and going from there just makes you seem like you have no clue what else to do from the wall you backed yourself into. I know I bring it up more than it deserves but the Ellsworth stuff with MITB is an example of this where instead of running with the story you made, you just go "Welp, here's some BS rule we just made up and never established before, here's the match again for a ratings grab!" Pretty much. It's kind of amazing, really. The InVasion is one of the big angles in WWF/WWE history in its way, but it's virtually never referenced or called back to by WWE. I understand part of that was because, for all intents and purposes, Vince vs Flair was intended as a fresh start for the company, and the nWo storyline, while also a mess, was still a more successful venture, but it's still a kind of surprising.
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Post by eJm on Jul 29, 2019 3:32:30 GMT -5
Oh, I get all of that. It's utterly understandable that the hand they were dealt lead to the decision they did but it was more a problem that comes up time and time again in modern WWE terms. If you have a story and it goes bad, just saying "RESET!" and going from there just makes you seem like you have no clue what else to do from the wall you backed yourself into. I know I bring it up more than it deserves but the Ellsworth stuff with MITB is an example of this where instead of running with the story you made, you just go "Welp, here's some BS rule we just made up and never established before, here's the match again for a ratings grab!" Pretty much. It's kind of amazing, really. The InVasion is one of the big angles in WWF/WWE history in its way, but it's virtually never referenced or called back to by WWE. I understand part of that was because, for all intents and purposes, Vince vs Flair was intended as a fresh start for the company, and the nWo storyline, while also a mess, was still a more successful venture, but it's still a kind of surprising. It's even weirder where pretty much everything that happened in MSG is referenced, some stuff during that Survivor Series is referenced, the Kurt Angle stuff and literally nothing else. LIke, a really specific set of events rather than the whole. Like, I don't even remember Austin turning on the WWF being referenced in one of their Top 10s.
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Post by hassanchop on Jul 29, 2019 12:30:22 GMT -5
Here's a clip of Jim Ross and Ric Flair talking about the Invasion:
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By the way, a bit off topic, Mike Awesome by extension is related to Hulk Hogan. Couldn't they have pushed him as Hogan's relative post Invasion?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 13:41:03 GMT -5
It was all a dream sequence. One long shark jumping dream.
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