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Post by The Wild Man of Borneo on Aug 21, 2019 5:52:32 GMT -5
If this is final, then I'm done. Not just with Spider-Man, but Marvel movies in general. I hate unfinished stories. I hate sequel teases that go nowhere. And this isn't just for a sequel, this is an entire f***ing direction for the MCU derailed. And this may be an overreaction, but I may be getting tired of film franchises as a whole. I just want to enjoy a movie without having to bother about the politics of it all. I thought the next MCU phase was in space with Fury and the Skrulls not spider-man. Sure, but they've been hyping Spidey as The Next Iron Man, Feige even saying he'll be a major player going forward. And now he's just--gone? Had they kept Spidey street level, it wouldn't have been hard to write him out. Say the events of IW/Endgame overwhelmed him and he realized Avengers business is too big for him. So he stays the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and transitions back to Sony. But after hyping him up and going out on a huge cliffhanger, where does that go? He goes into hiding after being outed? Sucky way to end his story. Thing is, the behind the scenes drama has soured me on the product. I don't know, maybe something will change my mind tomorrow, kinda hope it does. But from where I sit right now, it's just about killed my excitement for anything Marvel has cooking up.
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Post by thechase on Aug 21, 2019 7:33:29 GMT -5
I thought the next MCU phase was in space with Fury and the Skrulls not spider-man. Sure, but they've been hyping Spidey as The Next Iron Man, Feige even saying he'll be a major player going forward. And now he's just--gone? Had they kept Spidey street level, it wouldn't have been hard to write him out. Say the events of IW/Endgame overwhelmed him and he realized Avengers business is too big for him. So he stays the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and transitions back to Sony. But after hyping him up and going out on a huge cliffhanger, where does that go? He goes into hiding after being outed? Sucky way to end his story.This is how the original timeline for Spider-Man prior to One More Day ended. His identity exposed and he and Mary Jane on the run. It's kind of eerily fitting the MCU version ends on a similar note.
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 21, 2019 7:52:32 GMT -5
Sony also has a chance to hurt Marvel at an important time with this - the D23 Convention is tomorrow and Disney’s future movies, including Marvel, will be featured on Saturday. Sony is getting to say fine, announce your slate and brand, but without Spider-Man. We own it, you won’t give us the money we want that you are making, so fine, watch us do it BETTER!
I’d make an analogy to Iron Man 2, but that’s petty.
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 21, 2019 8:15:41 GMT -5
All will be forgiven if the Sony Spider-Man film casts Betty White as Aunt May.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 21, 2019 8:21:02 GMT -5
All will be forgiven if the Sony Spider-Man film casts Betty White as Aunt May. Each successive Aunt May is younger and more attractive, so I fully expect the next version of Aunt May to be played by Kate Upton.
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Post by Muskrat on Aug 21, 2019 9:09:17 GMT -5
Honestly, I’d be a little surprised if they don’t work something out. You know Marvel is desperate to maintain access to Spidey, and you know Sony is desperate to keep Feige and Marvel involved with their Sony Marvel Universe. Right now they’re playing chicken, but somebody will blink.
Remember, the original deal was dead in the water for months before Sony and Disney hashed things out. And it’s not like Sony Pictures is doing worlds better now then they were then. Not the first time studios have used public opinion to try to impact negotiations.
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Post by eJm on Aug 21, 2019 9:11:51 GMT -5
Honestly, I’d be a little surprised if they don’t work something out. You know Marvel is desperate to maintain access to Spidey, and you know Sony is desperate to keep Feige and Marvel involved with their Sony Marvel Universe. Right now they’re playing chicken, but somebody will blink. Remember, the original deal was dead in the water for months before Sony and Disney hashed things out. And it’s not like Sony Pictures is doing worlds better now then they were then. Not the first time studios have used public opinion to try to impact negotiations. Yeah, something will be worked out probably before the end of the year. It's sort of unsettling how much public opinion has been used in all this, though, especially after all the social media messes of the last few years which nobody on top of these platforms has learned a damn thing from.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 21, 2019 9:32:13 GMT -5
All will be forgiven if the Sony Spider-Man film casts Betty White as Aunt May. Each successive Aunt May is younger and more attractive, so I fully expect the next version of Aunt May to be played by Kate Upton. Presenting Billie Eilish as Aunt May
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 21, 2019 9:54:38 GMT -5
Seriously, what is it with Spider-Man adaptations and unfinished cliffhangers?
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Post by salz4life on Aug 21, 2019 10:06:01 GMT -5
Put me in the camp of something will be worked out eventually. Can't they just shelve the Spidey storyline until the next Phase at this point? He's on the run "off screen" because of what happened in the mid credits scene. Not ideal, but that's how they could do it.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 21, 2019 10:13:34 GMT -5
Coming soon to MCU Phase 5, Peter Parker is...
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NIGHT MONKEY!
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Post by Tenshigure on Aug 21, 2019 10:29:56 GMT -5
Put me in the camp of something will be worked out eventually. Can't they just shelve the Spidey storyline until the next Phase at this point? He's on the run "off screen" because of what happened in the mid credits scene. Not ideal, but that's how they could do it. Unless they were planning an interweaving storyline with him through the rest of the movies, I doubt they'll even need to address it until Sony tries to produce another Spider-Man movie. so give or take two years from now. Seeing as they've already announced their plans all the way out to November 2021, it gives them a decent amount of time to negotiate without it even "becoming a thing" until late that year.
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Post by eJm on Aug 21, 2019 10:36:41 GMT -5
Put me in the camp of something will be worked out eventually. Can't they just shelve the Spidey storyline until the next Phase at this point? He's on the run "off screen" because of what happened in the mid credits scene. Not ideal, but that's how they could do it. Unless they were planning an interweaving storyline with him through the rest of the movies, I doubt they'll even need to address it until Sony tries to produce another Spider-Man movie. so give or take two years from now. Seeing as they've already announced their plans all the way out to November 2021, it gives them a decent amount of time to negotiate without it even "becoming a thing" until late that year. The only thing that might be a concern is "What If..." but even then, that project is technically animated (which Marvel holds the rights to for TV) and technically an ensemble (which they had Tom Holland signed for) and not related to the movies as such (even though it is being made by Marvel Studios) and it's on a streaming service (which f*** knows what that even lands in) so...who knows?
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Post by Duke Cameron on Aug 21, 2019 10:41:17 GMT -5
Way to f*** over millions of people and destroy everything that had been planned. Enjoy your Venom and Morphius movies Sony, hope they bankrupt you into oblivion Blame Disney, not Sony.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 21, 2019 11:06:49 GMT -5
A 50/50 split is ridiculous, Sony owns the rights.
I don't know how much money Sony puts in vs how much Disney puts in per film, but I would think a 70/30 split favoring Sony would be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 11:17:15 GMT -5
The online outrage against Sony is so off base. They're not the ones who did anything wrong. They bought the rights to the entire Spider-Man movie series in the late 90s and that's because Marvel put it all up for sale. Now when Marvel's popping and because people like the MCU they should honor a bad business deal when they don't have to? Now they should be attacked because they even tried to compromise and Disney were the ones who backed out of it? People are putting too much of their own feelings into this when they're making these comments. It doesn't matter how much you like the MCU, Sony has had these films for decades because it's theirs now. It's like people don't understand how deals work and they think how they feel goes above standard transactions.
That's like me buying a car that belonged to someone's grandfather and now I'm the bad guy just because I'm not giving the car over even though they tried to lowball me in a deal and even though they were the ones who didn't wanna compromise.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 21, 2019 11:25:25 GMT -5
I understand Sony is 'right'.
f*** em, gimme mah MCU Spidey ya bastards!
Hahaha.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 21, 2019 11:28:02 GMT -5
So...are we saying that Sony should have accepted a worse deal for them just because we like having Spider-Man in the MCU? Because that's what I'm basically reading here. Yes. Is it rational, fair, or right? Nope. Kev no care; not my money 😈
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Post by eJm on Aug 21, 2019 11:30:34 GMT -5
So...are we saying that Sony should have accepted a worse deal for them just because we like having Spider-Man in the MCU? Because that's what I'm basically reading here. Yes. Is it rational, fair, or right? Nope. Kev no care; not my money 😈 Hey, from a fan perspective I get it I really do. All I know is that if I were paying 5% of something and then straight away were expected to pay 50% even though I owned the thing with no real chance to climb down, I’d tell that person to f*** right off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 11:31:51 GMT -5
The way I really see it is Sony's really only worth supporting on this divide if you actually care about their business and.... I'd assume by and large people don't?
Like sure, the Marvel thing as presented at the moment sounds like a bad deal for them, I'll grant that. But I don't think people are wrong to be annoyed that they're potentially losing out on this iteration of the character due to that since end of the day, these are all just meaningless disposable entertainment anyway.
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