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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 4, 2019 22:21:52 GMT -5
Gee, now they do Omega/Mox after Omega has been somewhat devalued by losing to The Man Who Jobbed to Enzo? Want to get PAC over? How about just have him take Omega to the 30 minute time limit or something? At this point why would I even entertain the notion of Omega winning against Moxley? I'll probably go with Page/PAC on this show as well. Not sure what Jericho will do. Maybe face Cody since Cody has beaten everyone? Could be a good time to do the MJF turn. As far as Spears goes, I have no idea. Buried I guess. Moxley jobbed to EC3 - and has pretty much been the ONLY person to job to him on the main shows - on his way out. I'm really going to ask that you reassess exactly what you're going for when you post, cabbageboy - Our boards welcome all opinions on this stuff, but you seem to go out of your way sometimes to include particular phrasings that tend to create strife with other posters. It's basically voicing frustration with booking, not an attempt to antagonize. Some of the stuff AEW has already done I just find maddening, from Omega's baffling booking to some of the questionable signings. They have rare opportunity and I don't want them to blow it.
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Post by mattyy on Sept 4, 2019 22:22:42 GMT -5
I mean, obviously huge if that's doable, but I really have no idea what Arn's nerve damage is like these days. I figure Cody will work the match, he’ll throw some punches and maybe do a Spinebuster. Cody will be on the receiving end of that spinebuster. THOSE DAMN RHODES NEVER LEARN.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 4, 2019 22:25:04 GMT -5
The irony of this show is sure to be a depressed Adam Page wrestling only in half-gear.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 4, 2019 22:25:25 GMT -5
So I have nothing to base this off but social media posts asking what is next for these 2, but I get the feeling that Shawn Spears and Jimmy Havoc may be facing each other soon That'd work nicely. Guessing Havoc probably does not win that encounter, but obviously, either guy would get a boost from that win. I know it's real early on, so it's going to not be the same once we're talking a few dozen matches under people's belts, but I love that every win and loss does feel significant so far in terms of how people are sitting.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 4, 2019 22:40:01 GMT -5
Moxley jobbed to EC3 - and has pretty much been the ONLY person to job to him on the main shows - on his way out. I'm really going to ask that you reassess exactly what you're going for when you post, cabbageboy - Our boards welcome all opinions on this stuff, but you seem to go out of your way sometimes to include particular phrasings that tend to create strife with other posters. It's basically voicing frustration with booking, not an attempt to antagonize. Some of the stuff AEW has already done I just find maddening, from Omega's baffling booking to some of the questionable signings. They have rare opportunity and I don't want them to blow it. I don't think you're being malicious at all. You have a unique viewpoint on a lot of this, and I'm wanting you to be able to voice it without others feeling they need to argue with you and not debate you.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 5, 2019 0:52:29 GMT -5
Gee, now they do Omega/Mox after Omega has been somewhat devalued by losing to The Man Who Jobbed to Enzo? Want to get PAC over? How about just have him take Omega to the 30 minute time limit or something? At this point why would I even entertain the notion of Omega winning against Moxley? I'll probably go with Page/PAC on this show as well. Not sure what Jericho will do. Maybe face Cody since Cody has beaten everyone? Could be a good time to do the MJF turn. As far as Spears goes, I have no idea. Buried I guess. Almost everyone in wrestling has been poorly booked somewhere; putting out good work will generally do a lot to cleanse that stink. In the case of PAC, he lost to someone who was kind of a doofus almost two years ago, and in that time, he held on to a lot of good will, went on to be a champion in one of the biggest indies in Japan, and has since returned to AEW and had a great match with Kenny that ended in a surprising fashion that caught people. Enzo Amore, who has not been on network television since January of 2018, is not on anybody's mind. Everyone who saw that sick-ass match and had a good time was thinking "I can't believe PAC beat Omega" and "where will this go?" rather than "This loser? I saw him lose a match to a leopard print noise machine a few years ago". That was years ago in a different promotion entirely under a different name. There might be an argument in saying it if this was like two months later in the same ring or something, but this isn't 205 Live anymore. I also feel like right now Kenny Omega could lose to anybody and it would make them look credible. Even someone without the talent and the ability to do what PAC can do could be established in a really impressive way beating Kenny Omega. This is a man who has lost three matches in the calendar year he walked into as IWGP champ, and they have been to Hiroshi Tanahashi, Chris Jericho, and now PAC; that doesn't make Omega look bad, that makes PAC look like a threat. You don't lose all of your shine and all of your overness with one loss, it's part of why the Enzo thing didn't even hurt PAC; he went on an almost year-long tear of banger matches with the title in the first place. A rash of losses takes time to hurt someone so protected and so on top of the industry, and right now even this leaves Omega at a break even point. The story being told here seems to be a convincing one they totally aren't blowing, if you're just sitting there thinking about the chain of who beat who and who they beat and who they beat, then I think you just need to approach wrestling in a different light and with different ways of engaging in the story, because you're getting hung up on a lot of specifics.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Sept 5, 2019 11:47:44 GMT -5
Sort of question crowning the first tag champions on TV if you're doing a PPV the next week, but I'll be there when they crown the first champions so I'm not really complaining much. Guessing the main event is going to be Jericho / Cody. I feel like it kind of makes the TV show seem more important though. One of the main criticisms of Raw is that it's basically just a commercial for whatever Pay Per View is coming up, with nothing of any meaningful nature actually happening. AEW is at least giving purpose to their TV Shows, which is good considering there's only going to be 4 PPVs a year.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 5, 2019 11:56:54 GMT -5
Sort of question crowning the first tag champions on TV if you're doing a PPV the next week, but I'll be there when they crown the first champions so I'm not really complaining much. Guessing the main event is going to be Jericho / Cody. I feel like it kind of makes the TV show seem more important though. One of the main criticisms of Raw is that it's basically just a commercial for whatever Pay Per View is coming up, with nothing of any meaningful nature actually happening. AEW is at least giving purpose to their TV Shows, which is good considering there's only going to be 4 PPVs a year. I mean that is pretty much the point of wrestling Television... and always more or less has been. You give some stuff away free to entice people to pay. it used to be pay to see the house shows where the big fights happened but since the Monday Night War it changed to sell the PPV's. If you give too much stuff away and make Television TOO important you end up like TNA where there was no reason to buy your shows because everything of importance happened on television. Also The main complaint I've seen isn't that the weekly shows are a commercial for the PPV it's that the PPV's are basically just another episode of RAW.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Sept 5, 2019 12:11:03 GMT -5
I feel like it kind of makes the TV show seem more important though. One of the main criticisms of Raw is that it's basically just a commercial for whatever Pay Per View is coming up, with nothing of any meaningful nature actually happening. AEW is at least giving purpose to their TV Shows, which is good considering there's only going to be 4 PPVs a year. I mean that is pretty much the point of wrestling Television... and always more or less has been. You give some stuff away free to entice people to pay. it used to be pay to see the house shows where the big fights happened but since the Monday Night War it changed to sell the PPV's. If you give too much stuff away and make Television TOO important you end up like TNA where there was no reason to buy your shows because everything of importance happened on television. Also The main complaint I've seen isn't that the weekly shows are a commercial for the PPV it's that the PPV's are basically just another episode of RAW. What I'm saying is that it's pretty much like what a commercial is in other media: Basically the same exact thing airing over and over to try to get you to buy something. All Elite is striking a happy medium, somewhere between TNA, and 2000s/2010s WWE. There's enough going on that tuning in is worth it, and there will periodically be huge matches on TV, but they aren't getting the top shelf stuff out on a regular basis aside from Pay per views.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 14:28:04 GMT -5
2 months of build will be great for Moxley/Omega. Just wonder how they'll get their own hype back due to what happened with them both. They have to go hard when they hit cable.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Sept 5, 2019 14:45:20 GMT -5
2 months of build will be great for Moxley/Omega. Just wonder how they'll get their own hype back due to what happened with them both. They have to go hard when they hit cable. Kenny's promo on BTE before All Out perfectly encapsulated that both guys can easily have a month long war of words that is compelling and must see television.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Sept 5, 2019 16:19:56 GMT -5
Gee, now they do Omega/Mox after Omega has been somewhat devalued by losing to The Man Who Jobbed to Enzo? Want to get PAC over? How about just have him take Omega to the 30 minute time limit or something? At this point why would I even entertain the notion of Omega winning against Moxley? Because it's a completely different company and there's no reason why a 205 Live angle from 2 years ago that hardly anyone remembers should factor in to their booking in any way. And even in this weird logic, Moxley just dropped 4 straight losses in the G1.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 5, 2019 16:48:07 GMT -5
Gee, now they do Omega/Mox after Omega has been somewhat devalued by losing to The Man Who Jobbed to Enzo? Want to get PAC over? How about just have him take Omega to the 30 minute time limit or something? At this point why would I even entertain the notion of Omega winning against Moxley? Because it's a completely different company and there's no reason why a 205 Live angle from 2 years ago that hardly anyone remembers should factor in to their booking in any way. And even in this weird logic, Moxley just dropped 4 straight losses in the G1. To make this argument, you have to ignore the actual context of Neville vs. Enzo, where Neville completely outclassed Enzo for 10 minutes until Enzo kicked him in the nuts and won in a complete fluke. And then the next night, Neville beat the utter shit out of Enzo yet again making sure everyone knew that Enzo wasn't in his league. Ignoring all of that though, the next year or so where PAC spent on the sidelines in contract limo did more to make him into a martyr of WWE's misuse of talent which was far more remembered than him dropping the Cruiserweight title in a fluke loss, especially when it came after him dominating the entire division.
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Post by markymark on Sept 5, 2019 18:43:06 GMT -5
That was expected
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 5, 2019 19:10:56 GMT -5
Cody's had relatively definitive success in singles competition so far so yeah. Two things out of this, one it makes me interested to see who Jericho's first defense will be October 16th, and two, this makes me wonder if this will be the show MJF turns to cost Cody the belt.
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Post by markymark on Sept 5, 2019 19:15:23 GMT -5
Im kinda expecting Marty Scurll showing up and helping Jericho retain.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 5, 2019 19:26:59 GMT -5
I can see Cody and Jericho having a great storytelling match.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 5, 2019 20:37:14 GMT -5
I have high hopes for the match but I really hope Cody loses this. Just from an optics standpoint it feels early for this, but if Cody fails it will do a lot to ease the inevitable 'he's just booking himself to be a world champion' blowback I'm already seeing in the comments of the announcement. Actually, if either Hangman or Kenny are planned to take the title off of him this would be a good way to start setting shit up; Jericho being a shithead menace yelling at everyone, causing the company problems, but he's run through all The Elite and they're not sure how to get the belt off of him, enter Hangman or a rejuvenated and head-in-the-game Omega to take it to him and get the belt off of him at DON or something.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 20:51:22 GMT -5
Damn...so tempted to go, but Baltimore is not the easiest drive. Ugh!
Might have to just wait for the inevitable NJ/NY show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 21:08:09 GMT -5
I have high hopes for the match but I really hope Cody loses this. Just from an optics standpoint it feels early for this, but if Cody fails it will do a lot to ease the inevitable 'he's just booking himself to be a world champion' blowback I'm already seeing in the comments of the announcement. Actually, if either Hangman or Kenny are planned to take the title off of him this would be a good way to start setting shit up; Jericho being a shithead menace yelling at everyone, causing the company problems, but he's run through all The Elite and they're not sure how to get the belt off of him, enter Hangman or a rejuvenated and head-in-the-game Omega to take it to him and get the belt off of him at DON or something. One of the top comments on IG is "Cody Hogan" so yeah lol. I'm sure Cody will lose but it's just a matter of how he'll lose. They can't do the "Cody almost wins but then MJF screws Cody" thing because at that point Cody's the strongest kayfabe person in the company given Jericho beat Omega and Page so yeah that's not going to work. If Jericho beats Cody clean then it's like "ok what else is Cody going to do", I don't know where this is going to go.
I'm interested in what they'll do here. Surely they've already thought it out. I like Cody a lot, I just think the guy needs a long rise before he gets the title.
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