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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 21:40:27 GMT -5
It’s wild to read that they flat-out didn’t know where that storyline was going.
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Post by thechase on Sept 6, 2019 5:53:36 GMT -5
Isn't Ed Koskey the idiot who thought that giving Daniel Bryan a losing streak in 2011 after winning MITB was the key to success? It's a weird tact they like to do. I remember when Edge won the first MITB, it felt like he ended up spinning his wheels a lot or losing some matches you'd expect him to win because I feel like they wanted us to not think about him and the briefcase as factors until he actually cashed in. Really? I thought Edge did well for himself throughout 2005, he even had a title shot while holding MITB
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 6, 2019 6:45:00 GMT -5
Some more details per TheWrap. Apparently it's due to the Reigns/Rowan/Bryan storyline also some dude sleeping. Motorcycle Fetish Geek hires man who wrote on Biker Gang Show to write Sports Entertainment. Writer falls asleep immediately upon reporting to work. To be fair, we have no idea why the man fell asleep, and if he was watching an episode of Raw at the time then thats perfectly understandable.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 6, 2019 6:47:07 GMT -5
It’s wild to read that they flat-out didn’t know where that storyline was going. Sounds like typical 2010s WWE to me...
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Post by Moppy on Sept 6, 2019 7:23:31 GMT -5
It just shows how numb you can become to WWE programming that I was actually kinda enjoying Roman-Rowan-Bryan. Because it was at least some form of *ATTEMPT* at writing an actual story.
Which compared to everything else, a random continuation of people talking and wrestling, seems Emmy-worthy.
The fact that it’s panned out how it has on TV just shows that they haven’t the faintest f***ing clue how to execute storylines at all.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 6, 2019 7:42:08 GMT -5
It just shows how numb you can become to WWE programming that I was actually kinda enjoying Roman-Rowan-Bryan. Because it was at least some form of *ATTEMPT* at writing an actual story. Which compared to everything else, a random continuation of people talking and wrestling, seems Emmy-worthy. The fact that it’s panned out how it has on TV just shows that they haven’t the faintest f***ing clue how to execute storylines at all. They write the same way a lot of fanfiction authors will; they have an idea, so they put it in and think "This will be cool, I'll figure it out later". A proper story is either laid out with a plan, or written and then in a second draft or revision is tidied up and made to look like the writer knew what they were doing, writing week-to-week television doesn't really allow a draft process for the week so you need to go in with a plan. They had the idea of a mystery in mind for Roman, clearly had the idea of "Oh Rowan did it" but then everything in the middle that may have introduced something interesting was just left for another time. They had the setup, the payoff, and nothing in between, so it became convoluted noise as they tried to fill that space and add intrigue. You wouldn't think that a room full of paid television writers for a decades-running prime time show would cumulatively have the same writing foibles as a sixteen year-old hammering out frantic Vampire Diaries fanfiction, but that's the reality of WWE today
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 6, 2019 8:47:21 GMT -5
It just shows how numb you can become to WWE programming that I was actually kinda enjoying Roman-Rowan-Bryan. Because it was at least some form of *ATTEMPT* at writing an actual story. Which compared to everything else, a random continuation of people talking and wrestling, seems Emmy-worthy. The fact that it’s panned out how it has on TV just shows that they haven’t the faintest f***ing clue how to execute storylines at all. They write the same way a lot of fanfiction authors will; they have an idea, so they put it in and think "This will be cool, I'll figure it out later". A proper story is either laid out with a plan, or written and then in a second draft or revision is tidied up and made to look like the writer knew what they were doing, writing week-to-week television doesn't really allow a draft process for the week so you need to go in with a plan. They had the idea of a mystery in mind for Roman, clearly had the idea of "Oh Rowan did it" but then everything in the middle that may have introduced something interesting was just left for another time. They had the setup, the payoff, and nothing in between, so it became convoluted noise as they tried to fill that space and add intrigue. You wouldn't think that a room full of paid television writers for a decades-running prime time show would cumulatively have the same writing foibles as a sixteen year-old hammering out frantic Vampire Diaries fanfiction, but that's the reality of WWE today I would like to see Stephanie write Vampire Diaries fanfiction live on air.
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Post by Gremlin on Sept 6, 2019 9:12:21 GMT -5
To be honest, I am kind of surprised that Dana Warrior hasn't been promoted to a head writer position yet.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 6, 2019 9:30:07 GMT -5
To be honest, I am kind of surprised that Dana Warrior hasn't been promoted to a head writer position yet. Give it time.
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Post by Moppy on Sept 6, 2019 12:18:25 GMT -5
It just shows how numb you can become to WWE programming that I was actually kinda enjoying Roman-Rowan-Bryan. Because it was at least some form of *ATTEMPT* at writing an actual story. Which compared to everything else, a random continuation of people talking and wrestling, seems Emmy-worthy. The fact that it’s panned out how it has on TV just shows that they haven’t the faintest f***ing clue how to execute storylines at all. They write the same way a lot of fanfiction authors will; they have an idea, so they put it in and think "This will be cool, I'll figure it out later". A proper story is either laid out with a plan, or written and then in a second draft or revision is tidied up and made to look like the writer knew what they were doing, writing week-to-week television doesn't really allow a draft process for the week so you need to go in with a plan. They had the idea of a mystery in mind for Roman, clearly had the idea of "Oh Rowan did it" but then everything in the middle that may have introduced something interesting was just left for another time. They had the setup, the payoff, and nothing in between, so it became convoluted noise as they tried to fill that space and add intrigue. You wouldn't think that a room full of paid television writers for a decades-running prime time show would cumulatively have the same writing foibles as a sixteen year-old hammering out frantic Vampire Diaries fanfiction, but that's the reality of WWE today Oh for sure. And it certainly can't be easy writing for several hours of continuous weekly TV, either. It's not something like Peaky Blinders, which has the luxury of only 6-episode seasons to build, contain and pay-off overarching storylines; and even that show goes around the houses occasionally. But for christ's sake WWE, can you write a story that ISN'T "Man comes to the ring and talks. Another man comes out and interrupts/attacks him. They have 3 PPV matches", without the butthole falling out of the whole thing when you try some creativity? They even tried, *tried*, to roll with the punches and work Buddy Murphy into this story when he was spotted on camera initially. Great. Where is he now? Didn't even win his KOTR match and wasn't on TV this week. Argh.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 6, 2019 17:25:20 GMT -5
They write the same way a lot of fanfiction authors will; they have an idea, so they put it in and think "This will be cool, I'll figure it out later". A proper story is either laid out with a plan, or written and then in a second draft or revision is tidied up and made to look like the writer knew what they were doing, writing week-to-week television doesn't really allow a draft process for the week so you need to go in with a plan. They had the idea of a mystery in mind for Roman, clearly had the idea of "Oh Rowan did it" but then everything in the middle that may have introduced something interesting was just left for another time. They had the setup, the payoff, and nothing in between, so it became convoluted noise as they tried to fill that space and add intrigue. You wouldn't think that a room full of paid television writers for a decades-running prime time show would cumulatively have the same writing foibles as a sixteen year-old hammering out frantic Vampire Diaries fanfiction, but that's the reality of WWE today Oh for sure. And it certainly can't be easy writing for several hours of continuous weekly TV, either. It's not something like Peaky Blinders, which has the luxury of only 6-episode seasons to build, contain and pay-off overarching storylines; and even that show goes around the houses occasionally. But for christ's sake WWE, can you write a story that ISN'T "Man comes to the ring and talks. Another man comes out and interrupts/attacks him. They have 3 PPV matches", without the butthole falling out of the whole thing when you try some creativity? They even tried, *tried*, to roll with the punches and work Buddy Murphy into this story when he was spotted on camera initially. Great. Where is he now? Didn't even win his KOTR match and wasn't on TV this week. Argh. It's not easy, but even still they do it really lazily. I don't write TV but I write for a living and I can spot when writing is taking the lowest-effort route, and WWE is the most blatantly lazy and 'don't get into anything too complicated' show on television. Maybe it's not supposed to be, maybe that's a product of rewrites or something, but they so rarely try to do anything that would require any real story or production legwork, it all just happens as directly and blandly as possible with as little effort to change it as possible. It's part of what made the Firefly Funhouse stand out so much; we're not used to seeing sets and props in WWE, everything takes place in front of the red curtain with the screen that just has the Raw logo on it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 6, 2019 17:31:49 GMT -5
They write the same way a lot of fanfiction authors will; they have an idea, so they put it in and think "This will be cool, I'll figure it out later". A proper story is either laid out with a plan, or written and then in a second draft or revision is tidied up and made to look like the writer knew what they were doing, writing week-to-week television doesn't really allow a draft process for the week so you need to go in with a plan. They had the idea of a mystery in mind for Roman, clearly had the idea of "Oh Rowan did it" but then everything in the middle that may have introduced something interesting was just left for another time. They had the setup, the payoff, and nothing in between, so it became convoluted noise as they tried to fill that space and add intrigue. You wouldn't think that a room full of paid television writers for a decades-running prime time show would cumulatively have the same writing foibles as a sixteen year-old hammering out frantic Vampire Diaries fanfiction, but that's the reality of WWE today I would like to see Stephanie write Vampire Diaries fanfiction live on air. "Rusev?" "Yes?" "Get me Nina Dobrev's number." "You think all Bulgarians know each other?" "...." "Fine, I'll have her call you.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 6, 2019 18:34:08 GMT -5
But doesn't Vince have final say, especially in angles involving a star the caliber of Roman Reigns? There's no way a Roman angle makes it to TV without Vince thinking it's "such good shit". These poor writers are just fall guys for anytime Vince's stupid crap fails. Obviously, but if that shit mattered then the blame would have been on Vince a long time ago. Wasn't part of the point of all this that Bischoff actually didn't have creative input?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 7, 2019 11:14:07 GMT -5
But doesn't Vince have final say, especially in angles involving a star the caliber of Roman Reigns? There's no way a Roman angle makes it to TV without Vince thinking it's "such good shit". These poor writers are just fall guys for anytime Vince's stupid crap fails. Obviously, but if that shit mattered then the blame would have been on Vince a long time ago. Wasn't part of the point of all this that Bischoff actually didn't have creative input? How could he possibly manage a creative project without having any creative input at all? It's impossible.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 7, 2019 12:41:34 GMT -5
Obviously, but if that shit mattered then the blame would have been on Vince a long time ago. Wasn't part of the point of all this that Bischoff actually didn't have creative input? How could he possibly manage a creative project without having any creative input at all? It's impossible. I thought it was that he wasn't booking, but was choosing writers, the way the show looks, etc. That is creative input, I guess, but not into the storylines?
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Post by chazraps on Sept 7, 2019 14:29:47 GMT -5
I was actually enjoying the Roman "whodoneit?," but this actually completely explains why the lookalike was never really mentioned or brought up on TV again.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Sept 8, 2019 3:19:08 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see some original scripts and compare it to what actually aired.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 8, 2019 9:28:26 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see some original scripts and compare it to what actually aired. By now, those scripts are probably in a landfill after Vince tore them up.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 8, 2019 9:34:05 GMT -5
So can we assume that the fake Rowan was some biker buddy of Bischoff's?
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Post by koreycaskets on Sept 10, 2019 19:56:24 GMT -5
Rumor has it he will be Johnny Elite in AEW soon but would be neat to see
Johnny Smackdown Johnny Raw
Or
Johnny NXT
taken in the draft.
Johnny 205??
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